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posted by Fnord666 on Thursday December 24 2020, @05:03AM   Printer-friendly
from the chilling-effect dept.

YouTube's Copyright Filter Is Crushing Video Critique:

In July, Harry "hbomberguy" Brewis shared a video on his popular YouTube channel called "RWBY Is Disappointing, And Here's Why." The two-and-half-hour video — a sharp, detailed critique of the cartoon RWBY — was the result of a lot of work by Brewis and his producer, Kat Lo. It also took an extra week and a half of editing and $1,000 in legal fees just to get and keep the video up on YouTube. All because of YouTube's copyright filter. And thanks to a new proposed law by Sen. Thom Tillis, Brewis' experience could become virtually everyone's.

YouTube's copyright filter is a labyrinthine nightmare called Content ID. Content ID works by scanning all the videos on YouTube and comparing them to a database of material submitted by copyright holders—often music labels and movie and TV studios—which have been given the ability to add things to the database by YouTube. Once Content ID matches a few seconds of an uploaded video to something in the database — regardless of context — a number of automatic penalties can be imposed. According to Google, most of the time the rights-holder chooses to just take the money generated by ads placed by Google on the video. If the original creator didn't want any ads put on their video, too bad. But in other cases, the rights-holder can make something much worse happen: They can make sure no one sees the video at all.


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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 24 2020, @05:22AM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 24 2020, @05:22AM (#1090943)

    Unless it gets fixed post veto, this piece of shit bit legislation has been rammed up the ass of all Americans.

    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by MostCynical on Thursday December 24 2020, @06:26AM

      by MostCynical (2589) on Thursday December 24 2020, @06:26AM (#1090950) Journal

      rammed up the ass of all AmericansYoutube users

      FTFY - US law (US corporations), global impact.

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  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by fustakrakich on Thursday December 24 2020, @05:36AM (6 children)

    by fustakrakich (6150) on Thursday December 24 2020, @05:36AM (#1090944) Journal

    Eh, I guess we have two years to think about it before reelecting all these people again.

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 24 2020, @11:10AM (5 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 24 2020, @11:10AM (#1090973)

      He's a republican, too. Guess he feels his party is strong enough he does not mind pissing off a lot of us.

      This will come to mind again when I see republican senators standing behind podiums, thinking their message will be taken seriously, or if that head needs to also be muted.

      • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 24 2020, @12:11PM (4 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 24 2020, @12:11PM (#1090980)

        Bill Clinton passed the DMCA. Obama and Hillary Clinton were pro TPP.

        Also https://soylentnews.org/politics/article.pl?sid=20/12/22/2140223 [soylentnews.org]

        looked like it was written by a democratic congress (though it was passed by the senate).

        • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 24 2020, @12:13PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 24 2020, @12:13PM (#1090982)

          and let's not forget Disney and Hollywood in general mostly supports the democrats.

        • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 24 2020, @12:21PM (2 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 24 2020, @12:21PM (#1090984)
          • (Score: 0, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 25 2020, @02:40AM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 25 2020, @02:40AM (#1091166)

            Thanks to the Covid lockdowns it's more difficult for people to physically go out and protest like they used to so that we can spread pictures of all the protesters (you will never see large crowds of protesters in favor of these laws). I think politicians realize this and they are using this as an opportunity to pass laws that no one wants.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 25 2020, @02:38PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 25 2020, @02:38PM (#1091231)

              And a good analogy would be what happened with the Hong Kong Kong protests when Covid hit. Protests stopped and China used the opportunity to get what they want.

              This is a good opportunity for governments to pass laws that no one wants.

  • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 24 2020, @06:30AM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 24 2020, @06:30AM (#1090951)

    ...that Google was not required by law to filter anything (not uploads, not search results), but they lusted for the MAFIAA's cock ("content") and decided to suck it to get those "lucrative content deals for YouTube+" (or however the original incarnation of that concept was called).

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 24 2020, @06:33AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 24 2020, @06:33AM (#1090952)

      PS: My point is, Google delivered a proof of concept that such filtering is feasible, and all this lobbying bullshit in the US and EU is a consequence of Google delivering said PoC (it began in earnest shortly after Google began filtering search results at the behest of the MAFIAA).

  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by fakefuck39 on Thursday December 24 2020, @09:42AM (4 children)

    by fakefuck39 (6620) on Thursday December 24 2020, @09:42AM (#1090960)

    here's an interesting thing I noticed. my wife watches some chinese and japanese shows on youtube. once in a while it'll just mute the audio for like 30 seconds. like people are talking, no background music, a few "blip blop woosh" sound effects. youtube thinks it matches a copyrighted audio piece and mutes the audio. it actually makes it completely unwatchable.

    videos aren't pulled, there is no dmca claim. it just mutes parts it thinks match. which is some people speaking mandarin sounds like a pop song to it, and it mutes it.

    now here's a fun one. white noise gets hit with 5 copyright claims:
    https://www.eff.org/fr/takedowns/ten-hours-static-gets-five-copyright-notices [eff.org]

    what we need is a penalty for submitting false claims. why the hell isn't this part of the dmca process? like, forget submit and let us challenge. submit a claim, let us challenge, if you lose, you lose legal rights to the work you claim is being infringed on and it's now in the public domain. nope, instead we get a felony for presenting streams if we have ads on our site.

    these people are supposed to be serving the people. what people exactly want this bs? it's time for this ruling class to go. meanwhile, since this is not happening, since my college days 20+ years ago, I have not given a dollar to the music industry. before they started that shit, I bought like 20 CDs a year, and rented and bought movies. you lose, music industry. you can take a site down, 10 will pop up in its place. it's a fight they'll literally never be able to win.

    what we need is a new video player for the masses. hosted in a place that doesn't have any of this bs. built in search, torrent client, and vpn. all the user has to do is type the name into a search box, then it finds a torrent or stream, makes a tunnel to a country out of bullshit's reach, and plays the file. but the key is, all gramma has to do is press the play button. and it will destroy the industry. for now, all we have is something nerds can do.

    • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 24 2020, @11:44AM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 24 2020, @11:44AM (#1090976)

      I stopped buying if the proceeds go to the MPAA or RIAA when Sony infected work PCs via Celine Deon CDs and I discovered it'dbe multiple felonies if I cleaned up the infection blocking our software.
      I do buy anytime I can purchase directly from the artist still.

      • (Score: 3, Interesting) by fakefuck39 on Friday December 25 2020, @02:02AM

        by fakefuck39 (6620) on Friday December 25 2020, @02:02AM (#1091157)

        hol-up, all i remember is the rootkit which they put on one of the CDs I bought, which didn't install because I had autorun disabled. what I was pissed about was they used parity bits for that data, and that makes the CD not play as well when scratched, due to lack of error correction. but the important thing was it was perfectly legal to remove their rootkit, and they were even forced by the courts to release an automated tool to do so.

        i do agree with you however on purchasing directly from the artist - that is a solid way to go. 90% of what I listen to is french pop stuff, dating back from the 40's till now. Half of that is ye-ye. those artists are either dead, or the current ones are part of a big label. so literally no one to give my money to. the rest is russian/korean/spanish also pop stuff, and that's all big production companies. i do love me some danger mouse though - and would go pay for it. it was just easier to type "discography" into the pirate bay and not worry about it - took 30s as opposed to 10 minutes making a purchase on his site.

        funny thing is, if there was a service that just let me buy some m4a for a quarter, and have a catalog of all the songs out there, in one place, they'd have a thousand bucks from me every year, because it wouldn't be worth the hassle. but that doesn't exist.

    • (Score: 4, Informative) by JoeMerchant on Thursday December 24 2020, @02:14PM (1 child)

      by JoeMerchant (3937) on Thursday December 24 2020, @02:14PM (#1090995)

      Incase you don't know, when reading YouTube's penalties language - whenever they say "may be suspended" what that translates to in practice is banned for life with no possibility of appeal.

      If you are going to do anything resembling copyright questionable activity on YouTube, be sure to use a throw away account.

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      • (Score: 3, Touché) by fakefuck39 on Friday December 25 2020, @01:42AM

        by fakefuck39 (6620) on Friday December 25 2020, @01:42AM (#1091144)

        if you have a google account or do anything with google, it is by default a throwaway account. google is only good for creating temporary email addresses to order shit online. they are a useless subpar service in all parts of their business otherwise. this is because there is zero customer service or support. they are not a real business, they don't have customers. they have 15min of fame, like yahoo did one time. yes, this includes their cloud platform. want a server to test/trash and play with - that's what gcp is for. want to run production or dev? that's aws and azure. and boy, as someone who sells solutions that run in cloud, i gotta say this: google has lost tens of millions of dollars because of me. not because i'm out to get them - because they don't have an offering i can propose to a customer.

  • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 24 2020, @07:16PM (2 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 24 2020, @07:16PM (#1091055)

    stop using JewTube, fucking slaves.

    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Zinnia Zirconium on Thursday December 24 2020, @09:33PM (1 child)

      by Zinnia Zirconium (11163) on Thursday December 24 2020, @09:33PM (#1091089) Homepage Journal

      This is the correct answer. Don't use YouTube.

      YouTube has been a big media platform for a long time now. There's no good reason to use YouTube for indepedent vlogging other than SEO whoring.

      Stop being an SEO whore and host your own vlog that nobody will ever look at because it's not on YouTube.

      • (Score: 4, Interesting) by Reziac on Friday December 25 2020, @07:00AM

        by Reziac (2489) on Friday December 25 2020, @07:00AM (#1091201) Homepage

        Two statements of unfortunate fact, contradictory but both perfectly true. You can either be free, or you can be seen, but generally not both.

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