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posted by martyb on Monday December 28 2020, @09:45PM   Printer-friendly

Last week, I compared Tesla design to Apple. Since then, it has become widely known that Elon Musk tried to sell Tesla to Apple in 2013. This has created considerable interest in Apple's autonomous vehicle project and Apple's progress with lithium batteries. However, it has not created considerable interest in Jony Ive's possible work for Ferrari nor in the progress of power transistors. I wrote about gallium LEDs and transistors in Dec 2017 and, specifically, GaNFET (Gallium Nitride Field Effect Transistor). I thought that it would be a good idea to check progress. Well, holy cr*p.

On Mon 9 Nov 2020, a Texas Instruments press release announced power transistors which can switch 4kW (more than 600V, more than 6A) at 2.2MHz and, due to the 30mΩ resistance, do this with 99% efficiency. Indeed, cables may warm more than the 12mm×12mm transistors which require, at most, 40W heatsink. My calculations may be wrong but a homebrew, all wheel drive, six wheel vehicle, with 16 phase electric motors and these 4kW GaNFETs, can do a standing start quarter mile (400m) in less than 10 seconds. By 1980s standards, this is supercar performance. And from 2021 Q1, it is now possible to make this at home or a local makerspace.

The price for these transistors is US$8.34 each for the lowest grade and US$14.68 each for the highest grade if purchased in quantities of 1000 or more. If you don't have US$8340 or so, there is an evaluation module for US$199.

I'm not sure of Moore's law applies to individual transistors but this is now the upper bound for 4kW power transistors. Unfortunately, many of the problems which I previously identified remain. Gate leakage is mitigated with an integrated driver, although (my estimate) leak of 30-50mW is probably not a huge concern when switching 4kW. The major problem is that the technology is in transition and therefore it still uses silicon as a substrate. The mismatched atom size is a hinderance to the efficiency of gallium nitride transistors and LEDs. Expect at least double improvement when this moves to a gallium nitride substrate. Therefore, expect 10kW switching at 5MHz or more.

Switching this amount of energy under software control is extremely dangerous and may cause equipment to not just smoke but spontaneously explode. I strongly recommend safeguards, such as hardware interlocks, watchdog timeouts, disallowing field firmware upgrades and control protocols which fail in a safe manner.

As I've previously noted, in less demanding applications, such as quadcopters, it is desirable to remove a heatsink entirely. This leads to a moderate step change because a subset of designs no longer expend energy to keep a heatsink aloft. This provides an otherwise unmodified design with more range and more flight time. The advantage is also compounding if a design is made smaller.

Anyhow, autonomous supercars, quadcopters and spontaneous explosions. What could possibly go wrong?


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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 28 2020, @09:49PM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 28 2020, @09:49PM (#1092211)

    Directly into a transistor. Wow!

    Using TI’s new automotive GaN FETs can help reduce the size of electric vehicle (EV) onboard chargers and DC/DC converters by as much as 50% compared to existing Si or SiC solutions – enabling engineers to achieve extended battery range, increased system reliability and lower design cost. In industrial designs, the new devices enable high efficiency and power density in AC/DC power-delivery applications where low losses and reduced board space are important – such as hyperscale and enterprise computing platforms as well as 5G telecom rectifiers.

    • (Score: 2) by driverless on Tuesday December 29 2020, @07:30AM

      by driverless (4770) on Tuesday December 29 2020, @07:30AM (#1092387)

      But it's still just a GaN FET. Can someone explain what make's TI's one better than any other HEMT? Is this something new, or just TI's take on the GaN switches that everyone else has been using for some years now?

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 28 2020, @10:00PM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 28 2020, @10:00PM (#1092212)

    Switching this amount of energy under software control is extremely dangerous and may cause equipment to not just smoke but spontaneously explode.

    Is it a bird... is it a plane... no it's cafebabe, his AV project just became an unintentional moonshot.

    • (Score: 4, Funny) by driverless on Tuesday December 29 2020, @07:33AM

      by driverless (4770) on Tuesday December 29 2020, @07:33AM (#1092388)

      That's no moon, it's just 36ddbabe standing behind cafebabe.

  • (Score: 2) by VLM on Monday December 28 2020, @11:17PM (3 children)

    by VLM (445) on Monday December 28 2020, @11:17PM (#1092235)

    in less demanding applications, such as quadcopters, it is desirable to remove a heatsink entirely. This leads to a moderate step change because a subset of designs no longer expend energy to keep a heatsink aloft.

    More Snowcrash shows up every day. Now we got rat-thing that are quadcopters instead of quadropods. If it doesn't move fast enough to keep its transistors chill, it explodes. Cool... I think?

    Still waiting on widespread deployment of smartwheels and reason.

    • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Tuesday December 29 2020, @12:48AM (2 children)

      by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Tuesday December 29 2020, @12:48AM (#1092283) Journal

      Oh goodie, rat viruses. Knock out the front column of their field and their projectiles can't hit you, but try and kill them in one shot as they get faster and meaner the lower their HP goes. On the upside, all three tiers of their chip lead to a nasty Program Advance if you can pull it off.

      --
      I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 29 2020, @01:40AM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 29 2020, @01:40AM (#1092304)

        The magic is in the slew rate of the LM308!

        • (Score: 2) by VLM on Tuesday December 29 2020, @08:30PM

          by VLM (445) on Tuesday December 29 2020, @08:30PM (#1092606)

          OK fine I'll bite, what's so magical about 0.3 V / uS?

          That is an old as hell opamp probably 50 year anniversary. Its so old I remember it was contemporary with the 741, which won in the market. I don't remember why the '741 crushed the '309 in the marketplace.

          If you want something designed this century, the 7171 is a year 2000 baby and was the first amp I remember swinging over 4 KV / uS. Yeah, 12000 times faster than an antique 309. Yes I'm sure there's faster out there, both before Y2K and now, but its memorable for me. I was going to do something stupid to a laser diode with very precisely timed pulses for optical communication and I remember wanting to buy some 7171 but digikey was out of stock or it was technically vaporware hardware for the first years of its life or something like that so I never built it.

          Those old op amps, holy shit they were so slow, you could have a little human being in the can rotating a dial up and down, they were so slow. And put like 10 pF on the output and somehow they'd run even slower.

          When I was a young smart ass, as opposed to the middle aged smart ass I am now, I used to joke about making DSP boards to emulate the shitty performance of greatest-gen vacuum tubes, but now that the boomers are getting gray I can joke about programming DSP microcontrollers to emulate shitty boomer-era 1st gen op amps.

          I bet the "sound" of a LM309 is bass-boosted, LOL.

  • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Monday December 28 2020, @11:42PM

    by fustakrakich (6150) on Monday December 28 2020, @11:42PM (#1092244) Journal
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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 29 2020, @03:04AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 29 2020, @03:04AM (#1092331)

    The Great Turdle. It shall rise from my septic tank, and wreak havoc upon the Earth.

  • (Score: 2) by epitaxial on Tuesday December 29 2020, @04:16AM (1 child)

    by epitaxial (3165) on Tuesday December 29 2020, @04:16AM (#1092348)

    Going to buy a few of these transistors for my latest class A amplifier.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 29 2020, @03:22PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 29 2020, @03:22PM (#1092481)

      Proles are done with low-efficiency upper-class types, the revolution is here comrade! [gansystems.com]

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 29 2020, @03:25PM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 29 2020, @03:25PM (#1092482)

    Why put the switching converter in the vehicle instead of the charging station?

    • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 29 2020, @07:58PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 29 2020, @07:58PM (#1092592)

      The car motors are AC not DC. The batteries are high voltage DC and need to be 3phase (or more) to run the AC motors. Not 60Hz AC motors like you have in Appliances or Industrial machines. The motors run variable frequencies to change RPM of the motor. The charging stations also have switching power supplies in them to adjust the voltage to the car.
      Look it up. To lazy to goolge it for you.

  • (Score: 4, Interesting) by Rich on Tuesday December 29 2020, @05:44PM

    by Rich (945) on Tuesday December 29 2020, @05:44PM (#1092530) Journal

    Had a look at the TI datasheet. I found the most impressive thing was the packaging: it's a diddly 12x12mm^2 QFN. Other than that, the integrated drive and overcurrent support is a very welcome feature for spec'ing them, if you read all the discussions on how to properly do gate drives for high power mosfets. It also looks (on a first glance) like it can generate its own high side control power, which again makes things more clean and easy.

    I hadn't looked much past the IRF3205 so far. Checking Mouser, the older GaN FET competition seems to be from Transphorm and Nexperia, both have a classic gate drive, higher internal Rdson resistance (72 and 50 mOhm vs 30 for the TI), and cost about half (TI $14 at 1000, Nexperia $7). There's a new Transphorm TP65H035G4WS in TO247 with 650V and continuous drain at 25C of 46.5A (30kW...), pulse drain 240A around $8@1000. Mighty. (Hmm 46.5A at 41 mOhm: 71W loss, sinkable from that case,and in half bridge mode it's only half the effort).

    BUT there seem to be IGBTs with two or three times the current rating at 650V. But I think they might switch slower, so the PWM drive for BLDC motors doesn't work as well and the losses become a problem. And there is also SiC technology. I'm mostly foreign to all that high power stuff, so can someone in the know enlighten us?

  • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 29 2020, @09:00PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 29 2020, @09:00PM (#1092622)

    At the start of the classic sci-fi film This Island Earth (1955) the scientists find their order for a high voltage, and large, condenser substituted for a mysterious and small component that can handle 100,000v.

    tl;dr, Where's my Interocitor?

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 31 2020, @12:05PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 31 2020, @12:05PM (#1093178)

    Switching this amount of energy under software control is extremely dangerous and may cause equipment to not just smoke but spontaneously explode. I strongly recommend safeguards, such as hardware interlocks, watchdog timeouts, disallowing field firmware upgrades and control protocols which fail in a safe manner.

    Here's a better idea: Ditch software control entirely in favour of hardware control: A dedicated state machine on an FPGA. Far safer. One FPGA for less than the cost of one of these transistors, will handle all the transistors in your fancy multiphase drive, and do so without randomly glitching up and causing explosions.

    You should generally assume any OS-laden chip will be hacked at some point, so make sure that FPGA firmware updates are properly secured by requiring simple physical access to enable. (tech pushing a button, or closing a jumper etc).

    Also assume that whatever that OS device is, it could give stupid/wrong commands, and instead your FPGA design should do something sane and safe - like maybe shut down safely and refuse all further commands until reset.

    Always assume the inevitable hacker is most likely some script kiddie who likely wants to see how much smoke and fire will come out if all your transistors go closed circuit at once!

    Nowadays you could put a whole dedicated soft-core running forth (j1) in your FPGA, to live alongside the for-purpose state machines and do things like handle communications and decide if higher command has gone insane or not - all lives in (some of) the SRAM, so adds no gliches, and needs no OS.

    Your embedded system can then just talk to it over serial. Or you could put a 'slave' SPI on the FPGA, so the embedded system can *think* it's in control. But you can set things up so even ddos attempts at that interface won't interfere with proper switch sequencing (except to the extent of triggering a boring 'safe-mode' shut down).

    But the actual sequencing of turning off your high/low side before waiting just the right number of 100's ns before turning on the other transistor in the 'totem pole': that should be hardware timed by dedicated timers, with the switching sequenced by dedicated state machines for each totem-pole leg, ideally all themselves controlled in turn by a higher order state machines. (for those that don't know, it's normal that transistors turn 'on' much faster than they turn 'off', so you can't just send an inverted copy of the signal to each transistor - you'll get shoot-thru, which will blow up your transistors fairly quickly).

    But not by anything for which watchdog timeouts apply! (ie, don't use a microcontroller for these things - splurge a whole another $5 and get an FPGA.).

    Nowadays microcontrollers only win if either the cheapest possible or lowest power possible is needed - which apply to exactly two solutions: cheapest is whatever 4c micro you can get from china is - and lowest power is still those crazy greenarrays chips.

    Any and every other microcontroller ought to be just replaced with an SoC, and an SoC is not a microcontroller. By the time you have an SoC, you may as well just bite the bullet and run an embedded OS on it. Just *also* provide an FPGA to do the real work.

    So, I'm sorry, but whatever uC ISA you memorized, it is now obsolete. Either you'll be running a full OS, and therefore will have a compiler and proper tool chain, or you'll be working in an FPGA (and can just use verilog or swapforth).

    Just look out for the power-on pin behaviour for your FPGA: be aware that if you use button inputs, you should wire those as pull-up when pressed, not the traditional (for uC) pull down when pressed. When modern FPGA's configure, they configure so fast that pins programmed as pull up, will seem to have been 'pressed' down, because they'll still be low after configure! Also don't use active-low reset inputs for this reason, or at least, use a timer to 'disable' such active-low input pins for a few ms after boot!

    You also need to be sure that configure-time doesn't give your power transistors weak pull-ups - which may turn your transistors 'half on' which could also destroy them! Generally running outputs through optocouplers is safe - they usually require a fairly decent current to pass a logic-high signal, and this is often enough to stop this problem, and as an added bonus, lets you properly isolate the deadly high voltage part of your circuit from the safe/low voltage part!

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