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That Antifa guy the facial recognition supposedly caught false-flagging the Capitol yesterday turns out to be a well known QAnon douche from AZ.
Longtime Arizona QAnon supporter in horned helmet joins storming of U.S. Capitol
Among the supporters of President Donald Trump who mobbed their way into the U.S. Capitol on Tuesday, one – unmistakable in his fur, horned hat and painted face – was Jake Angeli, a QAnon supporter who has been a fixture at Arizona right-wing political rallies over the past year.
Angeli was seen in photographs from Washington, D.C., amid protesters who turned violent and stormed the building, causing both chambers to suspend their intended action of the day: certifying the results of the presidential election for former vice president Joe Biden.
This dopey photo is making the rounds as if it offers some kind of proof.
The three people in that photo:
- Jake Angeli, the QAnon douche from AZ
- Jason Tankersley, founder of the Maryland Skinheads
- Matthew Heimbach, National Socialist Movement
(Score: 3, Informative) by DeathMonkey on Thursday January 07 2021, @06:32PM (17 children)
“XRVision didn’t generate any composites or detection imagery for the Washington Times nor for a ‘retired military officer, and did not authorize them to make any such representations.” - XRVision executive Yaacov Apelbaum [washingtonpost.com]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @06:41PM (14 children)
Antifa is just an idea that doesn't exist. So of course you can't identify antifa using facial recognition.
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Thursday January 07 2021, @06:48PM (11 children)
Antifa could be just about anybody.
There's really only one way someone could fail at making a claim of being an Antifa member: that person being a known white supremacist!
It's pretty impressive that they care so little about the truth they don't even bother to find a photo that doesn't have a bunch of well know racists in it!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @08:48PM (9 children)
Ive only seen white antifas, so not just anybody. They seemed drugged up or something too.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday January 08 2021, @04:34AM (6 children)
I don't think your claim is true. In various photos, you will find a lot of BLM mixed in with Antifa. The membership doesn't seem to be exclusive - a person can be both. While it is true that MOST Antifa seem to be privileged white kids, not all are.
I don't believe very many black people are members of Antifa, but it does seem that some are. It's much more likely that black people are members of BLM.
Sorry, no, there is no database that I know of. I'm just going by photographs, video, and comments I've seen over the past year or two.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 08 2021, @07:56PM (5 children)
"a lot of BLM mixed in with Antifa"
What are you saying here Runaway? Sounds like you are calling black people BLM and white people Antifa. Since Antifa is just a concept like Anonymous you can't tell who would be a "member" from a picture.
I think we're seeing peak boomer here.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday January 08 2021, @08:20PM (4 children)
That is the general rule. Not a law, just a rule. If you see a crowd of 300 black people, they are probably BLM. When you see a crowd of 500 white people with a couple "token" blacks mixed in, they are Antifa.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 08 2021, @09:03PM (3 children)
And if you see a crowd of white people breaking the windows out of the Capitol Building, wearing red caps and yellow toques, carrying Trump flags, and Confederate battle flags, then they are probably Antifa, right? Or maybe Fascists, Neo-confederate racists, and Prouf Boys.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Friday January 08 2021, @09:16PM (2 children)
Tiresome. Portland is still under siege.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 10 2021, @03:04PM
Sock puppeting again huh? Pretty sad stuff.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Sunday January 10 2021, @06:18PM
:-) By *Trump* saboteurs posing as something else. All your rioters are right wingers. Lefties don't benefit from destruction like authoritarians do.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 08 2021, @05:48AM (1 child)
No, you have not seen any white antifas, since antifas do not exist. What you saw were your neighbors, fellow citizens! And, yes, they are all anti-fascist, like their grandparents in the last great war! So, punch a Nazi in the face, like Buggs Bunny, or Captain America would do! Drop huge bombs on the houses of the people who vote for fascists! And, take over their countries and teach them how to democracy. It is what America was meant to do. Do your part! Donate your nylons!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 08 2021, @08:21AM
I'm sure they will be happy with democrats then.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @09:44PM
It originated from 4chan. 4chan does just about everything for the LULZ. From that point of view, what could be funnier for them than getting a bunch of idiots to pass around photos of white supremacists and neo-nazis as BLM and antifa?
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Thursday January 07 2021, @07:08PM
Oh, they exist alright, as a marketing brand, which has become very successful, lots of money. I wonder if they filed for 501(c) status. BLM got theirs
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday January 08 2021, @02:27AM
There's no actual Anonymous as a static group, either. It's a classic case of the master pointing at the moon and the novice staring at his finger in astonishment.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 4, Informative) by DeathMonkey on Thursday January 07 2021, @11:40PM (1 child)
Washington Times has retracted their bullshit story about the antifa face detector. [thehill.com]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 08 2021, @05:55AM
As a Moonie newspaper would tend to do, since their Divine Avatar of Everything Divine, the Divine Rev. Sung Young Moonie, died from a venereal disease. The whole thing was kind of like the Rev. Jerry Falwell Jr. cuck episode. Or the rejection of Billy Graham, when he got to the Golden Gates, and they told him, "We don't want your kind here". Poor bastard is still trying to figure out what "kind" that was, since he weren't no n******. Ok, Point being, Washington Times is only a source for Soylentils like Runaway, who is a Soylentil of very little brain. So of course what they published was wrong, false, mendacious, and an outright lie. If only Senior Moon could see what his spawn has done!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @06:33PM (37 children)
Susan Wild in distress was funny.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by DeathMonkey on Thursday January 07 2021, @06:36PM (36 children)
She was terrified by the violence being used for political ends.
Y'know, terrorism.
Is that funny?
(Score: 2) by Freeman on Thursday January 07 2021, @06:57PM (17 children)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism [wikipedia.org]
Which version are you using? I would dare say that Michael Walzer's 2002 definition is the one that most people associate with the word "Terrorism".
Joshua 1:9 "Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the Lord thy God is with thee"
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @07:04PM (12 children)
Ok, the insurrectionists. The traitors. The fascists. Which word would you use?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @07:08PM
We could go with a classic: Johnny Reb.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Freeman on Thursday January 07 2021, @07:24PM (10 children)
I'm not sure what word I would use, but all things considered. They didn't seem to be doing much beyond showing that they were unhappy. The BLM riots were much more akin to what I would call the classic "Terrorism definition" than what happened at the Captiol. https://nypost.com/2020/10/08/blm-mobs-smash-windows-in-residential-homes-during-wisconsin-protests/ [nypost.com] https://nypost.com/2020/08/19/portland-businesses-fleeing-downtown-over-nightly-blm-riots/ [nypost.com] https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/blm-riots-caused-over-241-billion-of-damage-yet-media-says-theyre-mostly-peaceful/ar-BB198RTB [msn.com] The protest at the Captiol was a bit of an unruly mob for sure, terrorism is a bit of a stretch.
Joshua 1:9 "Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the Lord thy God is with thee"
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Thursday January 07 2021, @07:37PM
BLM protests did not result in the evacuation of the United States Capitol, the lockdown of the Senate and House, and the delay to the certification of a democratic election.
(Score: 2) by cmdrklarg on Thursday January 07 2021, @08:56PM
The riots around the BLM protests could arguably called terrorism, but there is absolutely no doubt that what transpired at the US Capitol on 1-6-2021 was terrorism.
Answer now is don't give in; aim for a new tomorrow.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @09:59PM
Breaking windows and doors, breaking through barricaded doors to reach politicians, breaking into their offices and going through their belongings, carrying weapons explosives and zip ties while crying "kill em" as they broke in.
Yeah, totally just some unhappy people expressing their concerns *eyeroll*
I'm not surprised to see you defending this bullshit, guess you get added to the domestic terrorism watch list as well. #FBI #NSA #CIA #DHS
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday January 08 2021, @02:29AM (6 children)
Our nation's capitol was attacked, *multiple* explosives and at least one set of 10 Molotovs were found, and there was an explicitly political motivation--a coup attempt, basically--behind all the chaos and violence. Fuck you and fuck your willful dishonesty.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 08 2021, @03:05AM (2 children)
Send in the social workers!
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday January 08 2021, @03:20AM (1 child)
Too late at this point. That should have been done 20+ years ago. This is the kind of situation where you *do* need cops, as a last resort.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 08 2021, @09:08PM
Actually, fund education? Critical thinking skills? Free college tuition would be a start. And, public shaming of stupidity and mental health care for the deranged. Might have prevented the whole thing!
Someone once said that WWII would be over when a Hitler would be laughed off the podium. Trump is really a joke Hitler, but there are enough stupid people for him to incite to this.
(Score: 2, Interesting) by Freeman on Friday January 08 2021, @04:50PM (2 children)
I'm looking at the same news you are. I just have different opinions of it. Hyping that up as a "Coup attempt" is akin to hyping up the BLM riots as "Revolution attempts". Then again, maybe they were revolution attempts and the whole protest at the Captiol was an attempted coup. Just really poorly executed all the way around. Seems more like a whole bunch of people that were fed up with specific things in our country. For BLM, it was how they are treated or perceived to be treated. For the mob at Capitol hill it was ??? beats me, other than Biden bad, Trump good? Then again, perhaps it was a small sampling of racist bigots that wanted to cause trouble. I mean, there were definitely some people there that have definite racist motivations. The main difference I see between the BLM riots and the mob at Capitol Hill is that one was more well placed. Whereas the BLM riots tended to affect innocent civilians and businesses, the Capitol mob, was protesting at the right place. Then again, maybe there's too much racism / black man bad syndrome, for a whole bunch of black people to show up at the Capitol and not get gunned down like some Tiananmen Square massacre.
As far as the election goes, I have no idea who to believe. I certainly don't condone the actions of the mob at the Capitol. I don't even know, if they have a leg to stand on. What I do know is that for about 4 years now, we've been hearing about how the previous election was so corrupt. But, this year's election? It was the Most Secure Election Ever, because the Democrats got their man elected. There's a whole lot of cognitive dissonance going on there.
For the record, I also don't condone the actions of the mobs in the BLM riots.
I would love, if we could all just get along. Unfortunately, that's not something that just happens though. People have to be willing to talk, to make compromises where you can, and to work things out. The media whips everyone up into a fury, because ratings and money. Then, all you have is a bunch of people that don't get along, that are mad at each other. Not, calm, rational minds, that are willing to work things out. Frenzied, misinformed, racist people, on both sides of the aisle.
Joshua 1:9 "Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the Lord thy God is with thee"
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 08 2021, @07:58PM
Ah yes, the people storming the capitol with gun literally calling it a revolution are totally not attempting a coup /s
A second grader has more citical thinking skills than you do.
(Score: 1, Flamebait) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday January 09 2021, @02:07AM
Burn in Hell. I don't compromise with terrorists OR their supporters, and you are supporting terrorism.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 5, Insightful) by DeathMonkey on Thursday January 07 2021, @07:09PM (3 children)
I'm using "intentional violence for political reasons."
Breaking into the Capitol and attacking the security personnel to delay the certification of a democratic election is pretty fucking on point with that definition I think.
It is also sedition and insurrection.
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Freeman on Thursday January 07 2021, @07:14PM (2 children)
So, you're using the politically motivated angle of it. Good to know. Just know that you're part of the media hype.
Joshua 1:9 "Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the Lord thy God is with thee"
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Thursday January 07 2021, @07:18PM (1 child)
No, I'm using the dictionary.
(Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @10:44PM
Try using definitions that matter. [secbrief.org]
You should also look at the history. The distinction here [bbc.co.uk] with the claim of the first modern act of terrorism is the (over-)reaction of authorities. The point being that using terrorist activity as a pretext to target wider swathes of political enemies and dissidents is in and of itself terrorism. People who apologized for BLM yet support state action against people who were not directly involved with the scenes on Capitol Hill are definitely showing their colors.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @07:00PM (2 children)
I was terrified by Jake Angeli's fashionist violence.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @10:25PM (1 child)
Huh, did you know that Joan Rivers was assassinated? It's true. Some Arab wanted her dead, and poof! Cold as a mackerel
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @11:06PM
Did she dress like Jake?
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Thursday January 07 2021, @07:02PM (14 children)
Naw, can't be terrorism. All the killings here are purely by "accident".
But this guy is getting lots of free press, eh? The camera loves him.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Thursday January 07 2021, @07:12PM (1 child)
Can't be terrorism 'cause they're not brown.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Thursday January 07 2021, @07:19PM
Color code [twimg.com]
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 2) by Freeman on Thursday January 07 2021, @07:37PM (11 children)
The misappropriated "act of terrorism" resulted in the death of one protestor with unpublished causes of death of a few other protestors, due to their lack of following directions by Law Enforcement officers. The protestors, didn't shoot anyone and definitely didn't kill anyone in Congress.
Joshua 1:9 "Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the Lord thy God is with thee"
(Score: 5, Insightful) by DeathMonkey on Thursday January 07 2021, @07:45PM (9 children)
Every single list of antifa violence you have ever presented has contained multiple counts of spray painted buildings and broken windows.
In the span of about four hours we have 4 people dead, fifty injured police officers including several hospitalizations, and yes plenty of vandalism.
Your attempt to play this off as a peaceful prtest is laughable. [cnbc.com]
(Score: 2) by Freeman on Thursday January 07 2021, @08:00PM (8 children)
What I'm saying is that this was an unruly mob of protestors. Yes, things got out of hand (as things tend to do with all mobs), just like they did in the BLM riots, where people also died. The BLM riots were generally a lot more unruly, more widespread, of longer duration, and violent. What you saw at the Capitol was a tiny fraction of disenfranchised voters.
Joshua 1:9 "Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the Lord thy God is with thee"
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Thursday January 07 2021, @08:28PM (3 children)
Yes, there was violence at BLM protests. That violence did not prevent our Congress from executing it's Constitutional duties, and therefore, is not terrorism.
(Score: 1, Redundant) by Freeman on Thursday January 07 2021, @08:38PM (1 child)
All highly dependent on your version of the term "terrorism" as previously mentioned. The BLM violence met the definitions of terrorism to a larger degree than the protest turned mob at the Capitol. Your definition is skewed, if your main sticking point is that it interrupted Congress.
Joshua 1:9 "Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the Lord thy God is with thee"
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @10:02PM
Get bent fascist pig. Rioting != terrorism. You're just desperate as fuck to not admit that Trump is a fascist and his followers are fascist. Likely because you are a Trumper given everything you've posted in the last 4 years, and you are not ready to admit you joined a fascist cult.
The truth hurts bitch, deal with it.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @11:29PM
LOL [twitter.com]
(Score: 5, Insightful) by cmdrklarg on Thursday January 07 2021, @08:53PM (2 children)
How were these criminals "disenfranchised voters"? Because their anointed messiah didn't win the election?
If they voted and their vote was counted they were not disenfranchised.
Answer now is don't give in; aim for a new tomorrow.
(Score: 2, Redundant) by Freeman on Thursday January 07 2021, @09:50PM
One could call the BLM rioters disenfranchised voters and be correct too. The difference is that I think the anger was much better placed at the Capitol, than in residential neighborhoods, and shopping strips.
Joshua 1:9 "Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the Lord thy God is with thee"
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @10:50PM
I voted for Ralph Nader in 2000, and I was so disenfranchised that I stormed into a Pizza Hut, tried to get into the basement, and made two trips to the Salad Bar. I believe my violence was totally justified. Of course, now even W has denounced Trumpers. It think, they might be, illegals.
(Score: 3, Informative) by c0lo on Thursday January 07 2021, @10:32PM
FTFY.
Their vote, if the cast one, was counted.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Thursday January 07 2021, @09:49PM
Hell, you can call it apple pie for all I care. Nobody wants to address why we let it happen, too busy blaming other people, republicans, democrats, China, Russia, the neighbor's cat. The cacophony is deafening. If we ever learn to modulate the noise, we might be able piggyback an intelligible SOS [youtube.com] on top of it to broadcast out to the aliens, like side band radio.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 4, Insightful) by digitalaudiorock on Thursday January 07 2021, @07:24PM (6 children)
When I hear about Laura Ingraham, Matt Gaetz, and the rest of the brain dead douchebags trying to push this Antifa connection bullshit, it really makes me wonder: Do they not realize that when democracy dies is America they won't have any either? Seriously. What's the end game?
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Thursday January 07 2021, @07:33PM
Basically, reelection... The game itself is the endgame, keep it running, resolve nothing. Works pretty well. Only 13 incumbents were voted out, or maybe it's 15 now.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @09:35PM
They are clones. Think about it, even if you are fighting Mike Tyson you could still win... As long as you have enough clones.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @09:50PM (1 child)
John Sullivan from Utah is a founder of Insurgence USA (a BLM / Antifa aligned social justice group) who was there when that lady was shot. [ptnewsnetwork.com] He's claimed he was there to document the protests. So the nuanced take is: A suggestion of Antifa involvement may be dismissible but is not entirely without merit.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 08 2021, @06:00AM
Kill all Trump supporters! Mostly by denying them health insurance. (Worked for at least three of them, at the riot.) And outshoring their jobs, like alleged Senator Perdition has done. And, by encouraging them to climb through broken windows while storming the House Chambers. Oh, shot dead? QAnon will not save you. Death is a mercy in cases like this. If only Mike Kelly, Lonesome Rhodes, and whats-her-name from Georgia could find a separate peace like that.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @10:06PM
They don't believe it would truly die, they think they will be able to punish their enemies and remain in power. Truly they are too stupid to realize the consequences of their actions because they are too greedy to bother thinking it through. It is the same with every authoritarian take over in history, the instigators think it will result in justice and there can never be negative consequences for themselves.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday January 08 2021, @02:32AM
Simple: they think they won't need it, since they believe they'll be in charge. Democracy isn't for the leaders after all, it's a sop for us little people.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 3, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 08 2021, @04:46AM (2 children)
Photo is not proof that trespasser pictured in the Capitol building was part of Antifa [reuters.com]
Man with painted face wearing fur and horns rallied for Trump and QAnon, not Antifa or BLM [reuters.com]
https://www.reuters.com/fact-check [reuters.com]
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 08 2021, @05:18AM (1 child)
Tech Review fact check also, https://www.technologyreview.com/2021/01/07/1015858/capitol-invasion-antifa-conspiracy-lie/ [technologyreview.com] Headline is:
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 08 2021, @09:27PM
At this point I really hope Parler's servers are getting ripped apart by forensic teams. The posts all over their on Wednesday, especially when they thought they were winning, were just amazing. Also, it is too bad for many of them that masks were so politicized. Much easier to see your face that way. The videos are also pretty funny with more than one, "Stop filming, idiot. You're doxxing us!" coming from the filmed crowd inside the Capitol.