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posted by martyb on Tuesday January 12 2021, @03:39PM   Printer-friendly
from the Crowdsourced-Government dept.

Taiwan has found a way to use a carefully designed social network constructively.
As stated in the Tyee,

Taiwan Is Crowdsourcing an Everybody-Wins Democracy

They had to do something. In 2014,

Opponents to the bill felt not just defeated, but invisible. The government had promised to listen to their concerns, but simply hadn't done so, rushing the bill onto the parliament floor. They had the votes; they could get it through. So that evening, protesters scaled the fence, kicked the door open and streamed onto the floor of Taiwan's parliament, the Legislative Yuan.

Sound familiar from recent history?

Well, the government found a way to listen.

They set up vTaiwan, a social network where prominence is given to posts that further concord instead of discord. And they're using it to craft proposals for legislation. Anyone can contribute.

The article doesn't state how the social network determines which posts promote consensus. I'd like to know.


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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 12 2021, @04:34PM (15 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 12 2021, @04:34PM (#1098914)

    so to be clear, you're in favor of people with the wrong opinions being rounded up and shot? that's what america was founded on right

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 12 2021, @05:02PM (13 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 12 2021, @05:02PM (#1098922)

    No, I'm in favor of people deliberately wanting to "watch the world burn" being rounded up and shot.

    Tell me: Are the cancer cells eating at your insides simply cells with the "wrong opinion" to you ? Is someone telling you that he wished he could rape and murder your daughter simply of the "wrong opinion" ?

    And BTW: America was "founded" on invasion, bloodbath, genocide of indigenous people to steal their land, and slavery.

    • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Tuesday January 12 2021, @05:51PM (1 child)

      by JoeMerchant (3937) on Tuesday January 12 2021, @05:51PM (#1098947)

      America was "founded" on invasion, bloodbath, genocide of indigenous people to steal their land, and slavery.

      Very true, and as long ago as the 1960s we started turning that legacy around with awareness of its inappropriateness and counter-productivity in the modern world. Well, a slim majority is aware and willing to do something to correct it, sometimes at least.

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 12 2021, @07:18PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 12 2021, @07:18PM (#1099008)

        Which country hasn't been ?

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 12 2021, @05:53PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 12 2021, @05:53PM (#1098948)

      You're the Athenians who gave Socrates hemlock.

    • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 12 2021, @06:00PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 12 2021, @06:00PM (#1098952)

      I'm in favor of people deliberately wanting to "watch the world burn" being rounded up and shot.

      No, fuck you... You round up and shoot the people that are lighting the fires, you fucking moron!

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 12 2021, @07:43PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 12 2021, @07:43PM (#1099030)

        I guess you missed the "The Dark Knight" reference...

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 12 2021, @06:21PM (6 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 12 2021, @06:21PM (#1098962)

      Native American chiefdoms were "founded" on invasion, bloodbath, genocide of indigenous people to steal their land, and slavery.

      • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 12 2021, @07:46PM (5 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 12 2021, @07:46PM (#1099032)

        So what's your point ? That because people have been barbaric savages for eons we should all continue to be barbaric savages ?

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 12 2021, @08:19PM (4 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 12 2021, @08:19PM (#1099054)

          My point: It is dishonest or ignorant to place blame on America as being somehow uniquely horrible for that time in history. Get over your *presentism* and *selective* outrage.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 12 2021, @08:52PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 12 2021, @08:52PM (#1099077)

            nobody said america was unique in that regard

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 12 2021, @10:21PM (2 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 12 2021, @10:21PM (#1099116)

            Your point is that you are completely ignorant of Native American politics, or inter-tribal relations. This "slave" thing is a white European obsession.

            • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 12 2021, @10:46PM (1 child)

              by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 12 2021, @10:46PM (#1099133)

              American Indians enslaved other tribes. They also stole white women and children in raids on white settlements. The more organized civilizations such as the Aztecs in Mexico not only enslaved other tribes, they skinned them alive and cut out their beating hearts. In the region of North America taken by the Europeans, alliances were formed by Indian tribes and Europeans against other tribes and Europeans. The Indians were not a united happy family.

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 13 2021, @12:13PM

                by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 13 2021, @12:13PM (#1099376)

                +1 for truth. Slavery has been a worldwide institution for all of recorded history. It is only in the last several centuries, where technological advance has cheapened the value of basic human labor to such a point that slavery is not economical. Government/political slavery, as in US prisons or Chinese Uighur camps, is outside the bounds of economics, as modern sovereign governments control fiat currency and don't need cash reserves to pay for anything.

    • (Score: 2) by tangomargarine on Tuesday January 12 2021, @07:56PM

      by tangomargarine (667) on Tuesday January 12 2021, @07:56PM (#1099043)

      Tell me: Are the cancer cells eating at your insides simply cells with the "wrong opinion" to you ? Is someone telling you that he wished he could rape and murder your daughter simply of the "wrong opinion" ?

      There are not analogous situations. The former is a thing actively happening, while the latter is Wrongthink that hurts no one until action is taken on it.

      I wish lots of things. That doesn't make me a rapist or a murderer.

      --
      "Is that really true?" "I just spent the last hour telling you to think for yourself! Didn't you hear anything I said?"
  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 12 2021, @07:47PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 12 2021, @07:47PM (#1099033)

    This but unironically. The Redcoats and Tories had the wrong opinions, so we rounded them up and shot them until the Redcoats went home and the Tories sat down and shut up.

    And we'll do it again, so don't let me hear you britlovers talking any monarchist crap.