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Trump impeached for 'inciting' US Capitol riots:
The US House of Representatives has impeached President Donald Trump for "incitement of insurrection" at last week's Capitol riot.
Ten Republicans sided with Democrats to impeach the president by 232-197.
He is the first president in US history to be impeached twice, or charged with crimes by Congress.
Mr Trump, a Republican, will now face a trial in the Senate, where if convicted he could face being barred from ever holding office again.
But Mr Trump will not have to quit the White House before his term in office ends in one week because the Senate will not reconvene in time.
Mr Trump will leave office on 20 January, following his election defeat last November to Democrat Joe Biden.
The Democratic-controlled House voted after several hours of impassioned debate on Wednesday as armed National Guard troops stood guard inside and outside the Capitol.
[...] Impeachment charges are political, not criminal.
Also at Newsweek, c|net, Al Jazeera, Washington Post.
[Ed Note - The linked article has been revised since submission. The quoted text has been revised accordingly. - Fnord]
(Score: 2) by SomeGuy on Wednesday January 13 2021, @11:14PM (8 children)
Donalds Rump is so popular we are going to impeach him TWICE! (is it too late to make it three?)
There won't be time to kick him out of office, but let's at least get rid of all of his post-presidential perks so taxpayers won't have to shell out the money. Not that Trump needs any of that.
Perhaps they should have impeached him right the first time.
Well, now we get to watch the extended media circus keeping Trump in the spotlight for a while longer. I can't wait to see the extensive legal coverage of how Trump played with his tweeter.
Meanwhile, Donald Trump is experiencing severe Twitter withdraw, sobbing in a corner caressing his precious cell phone. Reportedly he actually had to use PAPER to make an announcement! Oh the horrors. :P
(Score: 3, Interesting) by DeathMonkey on Thursday January 14 2021, @12:20AM (7 children)
The purpose at this point would be to ban him from ever holding public office again.
Presidents declaring themselves King was sort of frowned upon by the Founding Fathers.
(Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 14 2021, @12:49AM (4 children)
That's just treating the symptoms, not the cause.
You somehow manage to bar Trump from running again, someone else will - the base that backs Trump won't simply disappear.
Let's face it. America is done for. Learn Mandarin.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by DeathMonkey on Thursday January 14 2021, @01:23AM (3 children)
Let's do what doctors do and treat both.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 14 2021, @02:43AM (2 children)
Great idea. Here's a start [breaking911.com] - now we need to "treat" the rest of the "Democratic" Party.
(Score: 2) by helel on Thursday January 14 2021, @04:12AM (1 child)
Voter [foxnews.com] fraud [foxnews.com] is really [salon.com] more [bipartisanreport.com] of a Republican [americanindependent.com] move [cbsnews.com].
Republican Patriotism [youtube.com]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 14 2021, @05:52AM
And also vanishingly rare [heritage.org].
I know, I know. Those communists over at the Heritage Foundation [wikipedia.org] are far left activists. Not.
(Score: 2) by SomeGuy on Thursday January 14 2021, @02:42AM (1 child)
Either way, I hope they carry through with this impeachment trial and convict. If they don't convict then they will just prove trump right that it was a "hoax" (more accuracy, they don't have the balls).
(Score: 2) by FatPhil on Friday January 15 2021, @09:58AM
Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people; the smallest discuss themselves
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 13 2021, @11:24PM (2 children)
AFAICT, impeachment is not subject to presidential pardon - even by Pence, so it looks to me like "Check, and mate".
Now all that's left is to kick the board over.
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 13 2021, @11:54PM (1 child)
Impeachment is not the same as impeachment and conviction. So you've only got the Check so far.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 14 2021, @06:24AM
Check and mate because no piece has a legal move to block the threat to the king, and the king himself has no move to stay on the board. Whether they can dress the king in orange later is beyond the limits of the game.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Hartree on Wednesday January 13 2021, @11:49PM (3 children)
He's now been impeached as many times as he's been divorced.
(Score: 5, Funny) by srobert on Thursday January 14 2021, @01:11AM
Eventually, Melania is going to change that.
(Score: 2) by Gaaark on Thursday January 14 2021, @03:59AM
And only a third of the number of times he's declared bankruptcy.
--- Please remind me if I haven't been civil to you: I'm channeling MDC. ---Gaaark 2.0 ---
(Score: 2) by FatPhil on Friday January 15 2021, @09:59AM
Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people; the smallest discuss themselves
(Score: 2, Funny) by legont on Wednesday January 13 2021, @11:51PM (5 children)
Democrats will never ever feel safe outside of city walls. Look at the map. It's bright blue spots in a dark see of red. It will be for the rest of my life and probably yours. Plan your activities accordingly.
"Wealth is the relentless enemy of understanding" - John Kenneth Galbraith.
(Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 14 2021, @12:07AM
Oh, but it isn't blue islands surrounded by red seas. When you actually color the map that actually better represents reality [xkcd.com], then you'll see how sorry these "red seas" really are and why Republicans fight so damn hard to suppress voting and cling to the Electoral College, because they don't have a shot in hell holding power without either. I'd advise it is you that should plan your activities accordingly because you are the one in the minority across the whole country, and you're dwindling every day. Really study that map, and carefully consider the information that is given in the mouse-over and you'll see why it is you who are quite delusional.
When the Republicans haven't won the popular vote in, like, forever, you have quite the gall to suggest that others are in the minority. I assume you must live in Wisconsin where a Republicans hold 66% of the state seats with less than 50% of the popular vote. I suppose in Republican math that works out.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 14 2021, @01:00AM
Twas the opposite only a hundred years ago, when the Grange movement and the Wobblies were everywhere. Republicans used to be the
bourgeoiseurban elites, the Financiers and Captains of Industry. But, right, now they are the radicalized rural racists on disability, with too much time on their hands.(Score: 2) by Tork on Thursday January 14 2021, @03:34AM (1 child)
W....walls? Democrats prefer to be behind walls now? I've never .... I've never seen a naked right-wing projection before. I don't know how to react.
🏳️🌈 Proud Ally 🏳️🌈
(Score: 2) by barbara hudson on Friday January 15 2021, @04:39AM
SoylentNews is social media. Says so right in the slogan. Soylentnews is people, not tech.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 15 2021, @12:13AM
I live in a rural area with tons of Republicans. Only one old dude came close to making me feel unsafe, and when I was leaving the tiny dive bar that only had a handful of people he asked why I was taking off and I said mostly in jest "because if I say the wrong thing you might shoot me with that gun you keep talking about" and he really looked confused. I didn't really feel unsafe that night, but the level of rhetoric from conservatives about murdering liberals has for the first time made me wonder if I really am safe. Never in my life had I even considered such a political reality. Now? I avoid Republicans, they are usually just looking for an argument.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 13 2021, @11:57PM (6 children)
Let's stop lying to ourselves and each other.
This is a battle between "White America" vs "The Shining City on the Hill".
It's the Civil War 2.0.
(Score: -1, Troll) by hemocyanin on Thursday January 14 2021, @12:18AM (4 children)
You mean:
"Leftist authoritarians who want to abandon enlightenment principles and the scientific method " v. Everyone else.
I would gladly give you some place to go and practice your beliefs if it was in my power -- it would be funny to watch how your _____ _____ _____ person of _____'s lived experience does in the wrestling match with reality. I'd love to watch your moon shots, dancing and drumming and chanting to get your rocket off the ground.
The sad part is, I don't have that power, and so you have to turn my home into a shithole.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 14 2021, @12:31AM (1 child)
Get sober, you fucking clown.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 14 2021, @12:49AM
Hemo's drunk again? Now that his "former liberal" hero has been "cancelled"? Hilarious!
(Score: 1, Troll) by Azuma Hazuki on Thursday January 14 2021, @12:52AM (1 child)
I don't know who modded you Spam, but have a -1 Troll from me. You're pathetic.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 1, Flamebait) by aristarchus on Thursday January 14 2021, @12:56AM
Someone Spam modded hemo? Makes sense, he keeps repeating the same stuff over and over again without adding to the discussion! But, TMB is really quick about reversing certain spam mods, and mod-banning the perpetrator, in certain cases. I know this from experience.
(Score: 2) by barbara hudson on Friday January 15 2021, @04:47AM
It's still Civil War 1.0, just by different means. Some things never change. Racism is one of them. It's almost like some people are hardwired to be xenophobic. Or just resistant to change. Conservative in their attitude to change. And angry that there's been more change every decade than their ancestors had to deal with in a lifetime.
SoylentNews is social media. Says so right in the slogan. Soylentnews is people, not tech.
(Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 14 2021, @12:05AM (3 children)
That was one theory I saw which made GOP complicitly make a little more sense. Most of them have been trying to hang on to power afraid of angering the insane Trumpers, and now with the Trumpers chanting to literally hang Mike Pence many of them are probably terrified of what will happen to themselves or their families. Given Trump's mob ties it seems likely that many of them have received veiled threats as well. Wouldn't excuse their support of a criminal president, but it would explain it. I really hope the truth behind the last 4 years comes out.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 14 2021, @12:55AM (1 child)
Trump's mob ties are that he was the federal informant sending them all to prison. That is one reason the Democrats want to get rid of him. Their mob ties are deeper and include the routine use of foreign agents for espionage and black ops.
https://files.catbox.moe/rkpw3z.png [catbox.moe]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 14 2021, @01:06AM
O.o
up is down, right is wrong, but at least idiots are still idiots and they get mad when their chief idiot talks too much about their planned idiocy
so sad, may you die in prison when they catch you for whatever the fuck horror you are planning to commit
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 15 2021, @02:50AM
A couple of Republicans from the House literally said that in their speeches before the vote.
(Score: -1, Troll) by hemocyanin on Thursday January 14 2021, @12:28AM (6 children)
It's like they want to incite civil war -- yeah, I'm talking about the Democrats. From Biden's choice of a racist anti-semite to head the division responsible for civil rights, to seeking to censure fellow politicians who did exactly what the Democrats did to a great extent last presidential cycle (object to EC results) -- it seems like Democrats are doing everything possible to foment dissension, widen division, and give people no other outlet than a hot war. It has to be intentional -- they can't be this stupid.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 14 2021, @12:53AM (2 children)
We are doing to divide you, hemocyanin! Seems we already have! You claim to have been a liberal democrat, and now you are doing everything possible to start a civil war? We will take you down! We will force you to be civil! We will surgically extract your authoritarian loving organs, without anesthesia if necessary. You cannot be so stupid, can you, hemo?
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 14 2021, @03:22AM (1 child)
Are you trying to convince him, or yourself?
I do declare, the trolls and shills are out in force these days. Even poor little unknown site like SN is overrun with the pests.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 14 2021, @05:10AM
Pretty sure it is aristarchus yelling at the morons, but don't worry we know all about you pests. Having fun trolling other nerds?
(Score: 1, Flamebait) by Azuma Hazuki on Thursday January 14 2021, @01:09AM (2 children)
Hey, maybe you and Runaway can get together to stroke your guns and fantasize about overthrowing the government! You sound exactly like him, except even whinier if that's possible. You two can rent a double-wide in Hell and save some money!
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 0, Troll) by hemocyanin on Thursday January 14 2021, @05:06AM (1 child)
I'm not the one trying to overthrow the enlightenment values -- destruction of Western Civilization is the fundamental goal of post-modernists and their spawn in the Critical * Theories.
You are the violent revolutionaries. Accept and embrace your nature rather than lie about it.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 14 2021, @08:35PM
You racist fuck, hemo! Have you never read "Black Athena"? Your "Western Civilization" is African in origin. And QAnon is the reverse of Enlightenment. You are the one defending a violent attack on democracy, because you are a racist fuck? We are only here to help, hemo, and sometimes that means we will have to taze you, and then apply the electroshock therapy. You may think this is violence, but we think of it as medical treatment.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 14 2021, @02:41AM
Are you an American?
Or Are you are an "White American?"
(Score: 2) by MIRV888 on Thursday January 14 2021, @03:50AM
Mitch f'ing hates Trump with a passion. He is saying yes he should be impeached. So that's that. It will be post Trump's term in office, but it's gonna happen.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by srobert on Thursday January 14 2021, @04:50PM (4 children)
My sister texted me to ask "what would stop Trump from pardoning the protesters?" I responded:
Protesting doesn't need to be pardoned. It is protected by the first amendment.
The insurrectionists, on the other hand, may be charged with various crimes, treason, murder, trespassing, destruction of public property, etc. Trump probably won't pardon them because he will now want to distance himself from them.
What proportion of all the people who showed up in Washington would you say were insurrectionists as opposed to merely protesters?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 14 2021, @08:38PM (3 children)
Accepting a pardon is a confession of guilt. These criminals, and their supporters, need to confess!
(Score: 2) by srobert on Friday January 15 2021, @01:42AM (2 children)
"Accepting a pardon is a confession of guilt."
When Gerald Ford pardoned Nixon, he pardoned him for "any crimes he may have committed while in office". Nixon never confessed any guilt.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 15 2021, @02:58AM (1 child)
Burdick v. United States is quite clear on how the courts view pardons.
(Score: 2) by FatPhil on Friday January 15 2021, @10:22AM
And it's not such a great case anyway, as it is sloppy with how it conflates guilt and culpability. I'm being charitable - it might not be sloppy, it might be deliberately conflating them such that unneccessary, and not particularly ethical, conclusions follow. You can provably have done something, but not be guilty of the crime of doing that thing. Accepting a pardon need not entail more than accepting the former, not the latter. Yet they chose the latter, because of the leverage that accompanies it. Admiral Akhbar has something to say about this...
Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people; the smallest discuss themselves
(Score: 2) by ElizabethGreene on Thursday January 14 2021, @04:58PM (4 children)
Please assume for this comment I've been living under a rock since the first of the year. I have, after a sort. My mom was dying and I wasn't following the news.
Did they present evidence at the impeachment? I'd like to see it.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 14 2021, @06:42PM
My condolences. Losing a parent is a hard thing.
Yesterday would have been my father's 85th birthday, but he's been gone 23 years, and I still miss him.
In any case, this link should get you started:
https://www.c-span.org/impeachment/ [c-span.org]
And here's the House Resolution with the article of impeachment:
https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-resolution/24/text [congress.gov]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 14 2021, @09:00PM
Instead of wading through documents I suggest you watch the videos of Trump's rally on the 6th. Giuliani made a comment about "trial by combat" and Trump used heavy strongman language and told his supporters to march on the capitol and that he would join them, but he went back to the White House while they marched.
(Score: 2) by FatPhil on Friday January 15 2021, @10:34AM (1 child)
The handle-turning of the start of the impeachment process is less covered in those threads, as that's not hypothesis or theory, noting to be debunked (the purpose of the site), that's just robotic procedure. Accusations that were broad enough to be undeniably worth drilling down into were made and a vote was taken to go forwards with the impeachment process. As I understand it, the actual process won't continue for another week, so as to not interrupt the installation of Biden. Even some of the nay voters have been quoted as saying that clearly Trump is guilty of the accusations, they just voted against impeachment as they thought it reflected badly on US politics. Yup, well done guys, never draw attention to your failings, and that way you'll never have to fix them.
Keep strong.
Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people; the smallest discuss themselves
(Score: 2) by ElizabethGreene on Friday January 15 2021, @04:27PM
Thank you very much for the vitriol-free reply.