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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 15 2021, @08:13PM
(27 children)
by Anonymous Coward
on Friday January 15 2021, @08:13PM (#1100786)
Stepping back a few decades and trying to look at this with some perspective, why is his approval rating so high? What is wrong with such a large swathe of the public?
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 15 2021, @08:27PM
(4 children)
by Anonymous Coward
on Friday January 15 2021, @08:27PM (#1100798)
Yup, just review some clips of the crazy drunk lady jeanine(?), the trust fund kid carlson, desperate tough guy hannity, and nazi saluting ingraham.
The rhetoric they have been throwing around for years is very violent and divisive, demonizing democrats and liberals all the time while downplaying such thing as protests against police brutality. Oh right, also propping up white supremacist groups while occasionally making the weakest statements against racism and brutality.
Conservatives need to put pressure on Fox to remove these cancerous liars, at least if they actually want healing and unity. You can't cry about "moving on" when your preferred news outlet is basically calling for the death of political opponents.
Don't look at Fox news, aside from the phenomenon. Ask what makes them so attractive to the believers. And then ask why there is no real opposition of any consequence, and how they are under the same influence, from the same vector. All this stuff was documented the last time it got serious. We are living a rerun.
-- La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 15 2021, @10:24PM
(2 children)
by Anonymous Coward
on Friday January 15 2021, @10:24PM (#1100870)
That is somewhat disinguous. Fox has been becoming more and more radical over the years, along with talk radio like Rush Limbaugh.
They were all just conservative outlets, and those outlets were responsible for pushing the narrative of fear and hate. This wasn't really a problem with the people, if liberals were to only trust news from a small group of outlets then they too could be slowly radicalized. Fox ramped up rhetoric to make conservatives feel like they were being attacked and thus short-circuited logic so they could emotionally manipulate their viewers. That is a human problem, and the only way to deal with that is to create systems to deal with such blatant propaganda.
The fairness doctrine repeal by Reagan is what opened the door for one sided propaganda to gain a foothold. It was a deliberate and decades long effort by the GOP to radicalize their voters. Fox "news" and other radical rightwing outlets were the phenomenon that drove this current crisis.
You know, if I were to follow that line of thinking, it would lead to a dead end with no hope, just curated dystopia, society after a lobotomy and doing the Thorazine shuffle
-- La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 19 2021, @08:59PM
by Anonymous Coward
on Tuesday January 19 2021, @08:59PM (#1102574)
As usual there you go reversing the blame. Typical fusty, "both sides" and "its the people's fault" which is actually what has "lead to a dead end with no hope, just curated dystopia, society after a lobotomy and doing the Thorazine shuffle."
It is interesting how you describe current reality but always seem to have the wrong take. Shill? Troll? Moron? Who cares?
Stepping back a few decades and trying to look at this with some perspective, why is his approval rating so high? What is wrong with such a large swathe of the public?
by Anonymous Coward
on Friday January 15 2021, @10:28PM (#1100873)
Says the guy who defends the status quo at every turn and calls every solution that would help the average American a socialist plot that will destroy the very fabric of society.
Says the guy who defends the status quo at every turn
You say that like it were a bad thing.
and calls every solution that would help the average American a socialist plot that will destroy the very fabric of society.
I don't recall calling anything a socialist plot. But I'll note here that "every solution that would help the average American" usually fails hard at helping the average anyone it gets applied to, American or not. My suspicion is that if we actually paid attention to whether these schemes, socialist or not, actually worked, we'd just drop most of them and never speak of them again.
So you disagree with the folks dissatisfied with the status quo?
"The" folks? Which "status quo"? You're caught here in a prison of your own rhetoric. There's no room here to complain about people who aren't "the folks" or complain about status quos that aren't the "status quo" you happen to be thinking of.
There's a lot of dumb people out in the world who think one can change the world by some superficial or harmful gesture like storming a ceremony or burning down a neighbor's business. I disagree with doing stupid shit that doesn't help or even hurts. Perhaps you should too.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 15 2021, @10:26PM
by Anonymous Coward
on Friday January 15 2021, @10:26PM (#1100872)
Stepping back a few decades and trying to look at this with some perspective, why is his approval rating so high? What is wrong with such a large swathe of the public?
Indeed. That was my thought as well. I would have preferred to see his approval ratings in the low single digits. It's truly disappointing that way too many of my fellow Americans still back him.
Here, in 'Murica, you basically have two choices. D or R. It's far less about what's wrong with Americans, than what's wrong with the two-party system.
-- Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 15 2021, @11:53PM
(8 children)
by Anonymous Coward
on Friday January 15 2021, @11:53PM (#1100911)
The cowardly runaway does what he does best.
Running away from your support of insurrection already? Falling back on the tired "both sides" rhetoric? That worked a lot better when the two parties hadn't diverged to where we are today. Democrats as a group have been better than Republicans since at least the 80s, that is just objective fact when you toss out the rightwing propaganda and trickle down bullshit. It wasn't so clear for quite a few decades as the prosperity was ridden out and when the accessibility of information wasn't so widespread.
Get fucked you traitor, you defended insurrection and if there was full justice you would be held accountable for your small role in radicalizing conservatives.
Maroon. There was a demonstration, which turned into a riot, AFTER the Capitol Police abandoned their posts, allowing the rioters inside. There was no insurrection, I couldn't support something that didn't exist.
-- Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
transitive verb 1 : to put ashore on a desolate island or coast and leave to one's fate 2 : to place or leave in isolation or without hope of ready escape
maroon noun (2)
Definition of maroon (Entry 3 of 3) 1 : a person who is marooned 2 capitalized : a fugitive black slave of the West Indies and Guiana in the 17th and 18th centuries also : a descendant of such a slave
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 17 2021, @07:44PM
by Anonymous Coward
on Sunday January 17 2021, @07:44PM (#1101632)
Yosemite Sam was a college professor compared to Runnyway! A veritiable genius! A man of letters and a HUGE vocabulary. Runaway, by contrast, has a very small, um, well, it's small. And treasonous. You know, he took an oath! [dangerousminds.net]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 15 2021, @08:13PM (27 children)
Stepping back a few decades and trying to look at this with some perspective, why is his approval rating so high? What is wrong with such a large swathe of the public?
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Friday January 15 2021, @08:14PM (9 children)
Fox "News"
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 15 2021, @08:27PM (4 children)
Yup, just review some clips of the crazy drunk lady jeanine(?), the trust fund kid carlson, desperate tough guy hannity, and nazi saluting ingraham.
The rhetoric they have been throwing around for years is very violent and divisive, demonizing democrats and liberals all the time while downplaying such thing as protests against police brutality. Oh right, also propping up white supremacist groups while occasionally making the weakest statements against racism and brutality.
Conservatives need to put pressure on Fox to remove these cancerous liars, at least if they actually want healing and unity. You can't cry about "moving on" when your preferred news outlet is basically calling for the death of political opponents.
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Friday January 15 2021, @08:34PM (3 children)
Fox News cast doubt on election 800 times in two weeks after it called result [independent.co.uk]
(Score: 0, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 15 2021, @10:28PM (1 child)
Fox "News" is a bunch of duplicitous bastards and bitches that talk out of both sides of their mouths.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 16 2021, @02:10AM
"Troll", huh? I guess the truth really does sting. It's about time you seditionists finally heard the unvarnished truth.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 16 2021, @07:38PM
Propaganda and lies foaming from your maniacal mouths.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by fustakrakich on Friday January 15 2021, @09:29PM (3 children)
Don't look at Fox news, aside from the phenomenon. Ask what makes them so attractive to the believers. And then ask why there is no real opposition of any consequence, and how they are under the same influence, from the same vector. All this stuff was documented the last time it got serious. We are living a rerun.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 15 2021, @10:24PM (2 children)
That is somewhat disinguous. Fox has been becoming more and more radical over the years, along with talk radio like Rush Limbaugh.
They were all just conservative outlets, and those outlets were responsible for pushing the narrative of fear and hate. This wasn't really a problem with the people, if liberals were to only trust news from a small group of outlets then they too could be slowly radicalized. Fox ramped up rhetoric to make conservatives feel like they were being attacked and thus short-circuited logic so they could emotionally manipulate their viewers. That is a human problem, and the only way to deal with that is to create systems to deal with such blatant propaganda.
The fairness doctrine repeal by Reagan is what opened the door for one sided propaganda to gain a foothold. It was a deliberate and decades long effort by the GOP to radicalize their voters. Fox "news" and other radical rightwing outlets were the phenomenon that drove this current crisis.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Saturday January 16 2021, @07:58PM (1 child)
You know, if I were to follow that line of thinking, it would lead to a dead end with no hope, just curated dystopia, society after a lobotomy and doing the Thorazine shuffle
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 19 2021, @08:59PM
As usual there you go reversing the blame. Typical fusty, "both sides" and "its the people's fault" which is actually what has "lead to a dead end with no hope, just curated dystopia, society after a lobotomy and doing the Thorazine shuffle."
It is interesting how you describe current reality but always seem to have the wrong take. Shill? Troll? Moron? Who cares?
(Score: 1) by khallow on Friday January 15 2021, @10:16PM (5 children)
Dissatisfaction with the status quo.
(Score: 2, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 15 2021, @10:28PM (3 children)
Says the guy who defends the status quo at every turn and calls every solution that would help the average American a socialist plot that will destroy the very fabric of society.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday January 16 2021, @05:08AM (2 children)
You say that like it were a bad thing.
I don't recall calling anything a socialist plot. But I'll note here that "every solution that would help the average American" usually fails hard at helping the average anyone it gets applied to, American or not. My suspicion is that if we actually paid attention to whether these schemes, socialist or not, actually worked, we'd just drop most of them and never speak of them again.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 16 2021, @10:37AM (1 child)
So you disagree with the folks dissatisfied with the status quo?
(Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday January 16 2021, @12:48PM
"The" folks? Which "status quo"? You're caught here in a prison of your own rhetoric. There's no room here to complain about people who aren't "the folks" or complain about status quos that aren't the "status quo" you happen to be thinking of.
There's a lot of dumb people out in the world who think one can change the world by some superficial or harmful gesture like storming a ceremony or burning down a neighbor's business. I disagree with doing stupid shit that doesn't help or even hurts. Perhaps you should too.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 15 2021, @10:31PM
Gullible idiots like khallow did not help things!
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 15 2021, @10:26PM
Indeed. That was my thought as well. I would have preferred to see his approval ratings in the low single digits. It's truly disappointing that way too many of my fellow Americans still back him.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Friday January 15 2021, @11:46PM (9 children)
Here, in 'Murica, you basically have two choices. D or R. It's far less about what's wrong with Americans, than what's wrong with the two-party system.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 15 2021, @11:53PM (8 children)
The cowardly runaway does what he does best.
Running away from your support of insurrection already? Falling back on the tired "both sides" rhetoric? That worked a lot better when the two parties hadn't diverged to where we are today. Democrats as a group have been better than Republicans since at least the 80s, that is just objective fact when you toss out the rightwing propaganda and trickle down bullshit. It wasn't so clear for quite a few decades as the prosperity was ridden out and when the accessibility of information wasn't so widespread.
Get fucked you traitor, you defended insurrection and if there was full justice you would be held accountable for your small role in radicalizing conservatives.
(Score: 3, Touché) by Runaway1956 on Saturday January 16 2021, @12:58AM (7 children)
Maroon. There was a demonstration, which turned into a riot, AFTER the Capitol Police abandoned their posts, allowing the rioters inside. There was no insurrection, I couldn't support something that didn't exist.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 16 2021, @03:41AM (6 children)
> Maroon
Sometimes you make it too easy:
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/maroon [merriam-webster.com]
Definition of maroon
(Entry 1 of 3)
: a dark red
maroon verb
marooned; marooning; maroons
Definition of maroon (Entry 2 of 3)
transitive verb
1 : to put ashore on a desolate island or coast and leave to one's fate
2 : to place or leave in isolation or without hope of ready escape
maroon noun (2)
Definition of maroon (Entry 3 of 3)
1 : a person who is marooned
2 capitalized : a fugitive black slave of the West Indies and Guiana in the 17th and 18th centuries also : a descendant of such a slave
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Saturday January 16 2021, @05:50AM (5 children)
I realize that you're generationally challenged. Let me help.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSZ1h-bydS4 [youtube.com]
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 16 2021, @06:00AM (4 children)
I'm from 1954, sonny.
This is about sedition, not Bugs Bunny.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Saturday January 16 2021, @06:28AM (1 child)
It's good that congress and liberals have been frightened out of their wits by a little rabble. Maybe now they respect what could be thrown at them?
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 16 2021, @06:43PM
Not a chance! Come at me bro
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 16 2021, @10:10PM (1 child)
You're arguing with Yosemite Sam.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 17 2021, @07:44PM
Yosemite Sam was a college professor compared to Runnyway! A veritiable genius! A man of letters and a HUGE vocabulary. Runaway, by contrast, has a very small, um, well, it's small. And treasonous. You know, he took an oath! [dangerousminds.net]