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Brexit finally got done at 23:00 GMT on 31st December 2020 when the UK's Withdrawal Agreement with the EU finally expired. A "trade deal" between the UK and EU was agreed on 24th December. The Alt-Wrong finally got their prize of freedom, democracy and British sovereignty.

What did they actually win? Chaos at the ports, thousands of tonnes of fish that can't be sold, tariffs, duties, and all sorts of things which were once Project Fear and the undemocratic, treasonous lies of the Liberal Metropolitan Elite, Socialists, Marxists, quislings, traitors, lefties and people who hate their country. Socialism, Marxism, EUSSR, Venezuela, toilet paper!

We are on the third week of this glorious new future of sunlit uplands with no downsides, only upsides with much more to look forward to. And Donald Trump is going to give us a fantastic trade deal with the USA straight away.

Over at the Guardian, Polly Toynbee has an excellent summary entitled Brexiters are waking up to the damage they've done.

As Brexiters turn on each other, Brexit politics move fast. Until now the Tories planned to move on, only reviving “Brexit done” triumphalism to re-arouse the captured red wall at the election: Labour just wanted to bury the whole issue.

The Westminster system has failed us (the UK). We are now looking at Irish Reunification and Scottish Independence. Gibraltar has already got its own deal where it gets to join Schengen.

We have Taken Back Control(TM).

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  • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 19 2021, @05:33AM (3 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 19 2021, @05:33AM (#1102285)

    Your words belie a lack of knowledge of what the 'UK' was. The British Empire used to lay claim to about a quarter of the world's population. They were one of the most far-spread and powerful empires in existence, all supported by a Navy unlike anything the world had ever seen. Britannia died at the end of World War 2. They were on the winning side but it was, for them, a Pyrrhic victory. The British Empire was ravaged and bankrupt. They were left to "liberate" nearly all of their territories and they rapidly transitioned from a world spanning megapower to America's little sidekick or 'that weird little country that bans everything'.

    The decline of the British Empire was humiliatingly rapid and remains in the living memory of many Brits alive today.

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  • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Tuesday January 19 2021, @07:56AM (2 children)

    by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday January 19 2021, @07:56AM (#1102325) Journal

    The decline of the British Empire was humiliatingly rapid and remains in the living memory of many Brits alive today.

    Which factoid, even if true (which I doubt), is completely irrelevant in the world today.

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    • (Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday January 20 2021, @12:29PM (1 child)

      by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday January 20 2021, @12:29PM (#1102824) Journal
      Azuma's post wasn't relevant to the world today and that post adequately addressed a big part of the reason why. And what is there to doubt about the factoid? that's there's no Brits over the age of 75? That the UK's extent and influence massively declined in the last 75 years?
      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by c0lo on Wednesday January 20 2021, @02:06PM

        by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday January 20 2021, @02:06PM (#1102845) Journal

        The fact that I doubt it is an expression of personal opinion over a fact that is irrelevant in the context Azuma tabled:

        ...and they are going to get what they wanted, good and hard. This is the end of the UK and the end of England as anything other than an historical curiosity.

        Note the verb tense and the "here/now" implied but "This".

        As for:

        that's there's no Brits over the age of 75?

        Even assuming that all the "Brits over the age of 75" all voted Brexit, they alone are not enough to explain the outcome.
        In your terms "there are not enough Brits over the age of 75" (5.4 million people [ageuk.org.uk] - about 10% of a voting population of 52.7 million [ons.gov.uk])
        Even more so if one takes into consideration that, to have on object for their nostalgia/resentment, they should have lived for a while under a glorious British empire. Which makes their age, at least the age of Queen Lizzie - shall we say around 95 years?
        'Cause for the ones born at the very end of WW2, their life start was one of severe privation... war debt... bread rationing [wikipedia.org]

        That the UK's extent and influence massively declined in the last 75 years?

        I doubt the UK's extent and influence massively declined in the last 70 years, most of the decline happened during WW2 and shortly after.

        Since 1965, UK experienced an almost continuous economic growth [economicshelp.org] at least until til 2013 [economicshelp.org]; post-WW2, that's the only dimension in which a country could exercise influence that makes a difference to its population.

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