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Prosecutors in Washington, D.C. on Tuesday evening released a slew of communications indicating that three para-military militia groups had formed a coordinated “alliance” in the weeks ahead of the Jan. 6 Capitol siege — discussing strategy and use of force tactics as they prepared to “get shit kicked off” following the “Save the Steal” rally.
The communications were revealed in court documents opposing leader of the Florida Oath Keepers Kelly Meggs’s latest request to be released from jail on bond in advance of his criminal trial.
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“This week I organized an alliance between Oath Keepers, Florida 3%ers, and Proud Boys,” Meggs wrote in a Dec. 19 Facebook message to an unknown person. “We have decided to work together and shut this shit down.”
Days later, he discussed specific numbers and attack strategy the groups planned to use on Jan. 6.
“We will have at least 50-100 OK [Oath Keepers] there,” Meggs wrote on Dec. 22. “Plus we have made contact with PB [Proud Boys] and they always have a big group. Force multiplier.”
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Asked when that would happen, Meggs said it would be the following week, adding, “Then wait for the 6th when we are all in DC to insurrection.”
Meggs again discussed “insurrection” with an unknown associate on Jan. 3, apparently believing that Mike Pence publicly agreeing to entertain challenges to Congress’s certification of votes was a call to arms.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by DeathMonkey on Wednesday March 24 2021, @04:37PM (57 children)
I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for the apologies from all those folks who claimed Jan 6 was NOT an insurrection!
(Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 24 2021, @04:50PM (25 children)
Oath keepers are constitutionalists, don't we need constitutional lawyers to hear their arguments? If elections were conducted unconstitutionally, their actions in Jan would be the opposite of insurrection. Don't you agree?
(Score: 5, Insightful) by DeathMonkey on Wednesday March 24 2021, @05:10PM (8 children)
Nope.
in·sur·rec·tion
/ˌinsəˈrekSH(ə)n/
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noun
a violent uprising against an authority or government.
"the insurrection was savagely put down"
There is no requirement that the government or authority be legitimate. People can commit insurrection for "good" reasons..
And they can do it for bad reasons too: like being an unreasonable person who fell for a pack of lies. [lawandcrime.com]
(Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 24 2021, @05:47PM (6 children)
In a constitutional Republic authority derives from the constitution - if people violated the constitution what authority do you think they have?
(Score: 5, Insightful) by DeathMonkey on Wednesday March 24 2021, @05:52PM (5 children)
If you are savagely putting down insurrections you are likely not doing so under a great deal of constitutional authority.
Notice how all our insurrectionists got put in jail, not put to death....
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 24 2021, @06:21PM (3 children)
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 24 2021, @07:04PM (1 child)
Perhaps constitutional, but highly unlikely. As specified in the Constitution, persons can only be convicted of treason "on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court", which is a very high bar to clear.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by aristarchus on Thursday March 25 2021, @07:11AM
Each of the Insurrectionists had at least two other insurrectionists there to take selfies with, and at the rate they are turning state's evidence on each other, once they realize the gravity and stupidity of what they have done, the two witness requirement will hardly be a barrier. These morons are going down, hard and fast.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 24 2021, @08:50PM
Treason in the US is a bit different from elsewhere. The 6th was legally insurrection not treason, even though the dictionary definitions both fit.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Wednesday March 24 2021, @07:53PM
Yeah, that's foreign policy, not domestic policy.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 24 2021, @06:01PM
> There is no requirement that the government or authority be legitimate
You said it!
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 24 2021, @05:27PM (9 children)
Sure, if by "constitution" you mean some text invented last week by the propagandists and liars at OANN and Breitbart, and drawn up in crayon.
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Wednesday March 24 2021, @05:54PM
That's the one where all amendments except the second are redacted and the fourteenth is redacted TWICE!
(Score: 0, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 24 2021, @06:14PM (6 children)
Why not educate yourself? [constitutioncenter.org]
Or do you need it in crayon?
(Score: 3, Insightful) by DeathMonkey on Wednesday March 24 2021, @07:05PM (5 children)
I like the part in your link which talks about how states control their own elections. That's why Texans have no standing to sue Georgia over the results in case you were wondering why that particular frivolous lawsuit was thrown out.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Wednesday March 24 2021, @08:04PM (1 child)
And *whatabout* the part that gives congress the right regulate the elections? Why aren't they dealing with your gerrymandering issues, and demanding paper ballots for that matter? You do want that, don't you? The republicans cannot stop them. They can't stop anything. The dems can kill the filibuster, and BOOM... There is no excuse. So what's up?
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 4, Touché) by DeathMonkey on Wednesday March 24 2021, @08:36PM
I think it's the part where I say TEXAS and not Congress.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 24 2021, @09:45PM (2 children)
They didn't file over "the results", as you'd know if you'd ever bothered to read the complaint...
Unless you're claiming State Executives have legislative power to set election rules? Why don't you show us a ruling that says that?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 25 2021, @04:54AM (1 child)
Because we all know that the Texas AG and those of the other states are so principled that they would have sued Georgia if Trump had won.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 25 2021, @02:29PM
They would have needed a Rubenstein machine [dailysignal.com]
(Score: 2) by aristarchus on Thursday March 25 2021, @07:20AM
The head Oaf Keebler shot his own eye out, when he dropped his pistola, in a less entertaining version of I just fucking shot myself, the Musical [youtube.com], less entertaining because it is probably harder to sing when your eye is shot out. But this is the level of constitutional scholarship the Oath Creepers possess. Many of them are LEO, but the less intelligent ones. And some Military personnel, who have not read the manual on treason. Really kind of a sorry bunch. They don't call him "Lonesome Rhodes" for nothing!
(Score: 3, Informative) by DannyB on Wednesday March 24 2021, @05:31PM (5 children)
There are pills you can take for constipation.
You must mean lawyers that got their education on YouTube University. Or FaceTwit School of Law.
They were. It was vetted by many courts and judges.
The Electoral College voting is an affirmative action program for low populated states.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 24 2021, @05:41PM
At least it wasn't Trump University. That makes even the sobbing MAGAmorons on Youtube look prestigious.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 24 2021, @06:32PM (3 children)
yes
no
(Score: 5, Insightful) by DeathMonkey on Wednesday March 24 2021, @07:10PM (2 children)
Most people would consider losing 78 separate lawsuits "many." [ballotpedia.org]
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 26 2021, @03:13AM
Number of those dismissed on technical grounds without evaluating the evidence is almost all of them (if not all). Dismissing on technical grounds is the easiest politically motivate judicial hack in the world.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 27 2021, @08:07AM
Gotta love the response picked this time was "they dismissed all of them on technicalities" instead of "Trump won the majority on the merits."
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday March 24 2021, @05:15PM (29 children)
Huh. Looks like you have one person who apparently used the term "insurrection". Someone is going to have to keep digging, and find out who else was in on the "insurrection". It seems, however, that few people got the memo. Once again, Capitol Police found no weapons aside from that one van loaded with weapons. And, again, those "bombs" outside of DNC and RNC seem to have been planted by the FBI.
At this point in time, looks like you MIGHT HAVE two or three individuals guilty of conspiring for an insurrection.
The tens of thousands of protesters weren't there for an insurrection.
But don't let me stop you making a mountain of a mole hill.
And, there is still the problem of proving any of this. For all I know, the prosecutors invented these claims. We're all familiar with prosecutors who make shit up, over charge, suppress evidence, and generally act like racist assholes.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 24 2021, @05:26PM (21 children)
Ah yes, because marching with a crowd that was chanting "hang mike pence" is so confusing for the MAGA morons. Just gotta love how your defense is: weesa too stoopid to know what weesa doing!
No one is confused but you asshiles that desperately don't want to face consequences for your chosen actions. Go to hell you traitor, do not pass go, do not collect 88 dollars.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by DannyB on Wednesday March 24 2021, @05:37PM
In videos I've seen, there was not only that, but also at one point crowd chanting "no Trump, no peace".
That sums it up. If the election doesn't go our way, there will be violence. Exactly the message I keep hearing repeated here on SN.
The Electoral College voting is an affirmative action program for low populated states.
(Score: 4, Touché) by DeathMonkey on Wednesday March 24 2021, @05:48PM (18 children)
He's still claiming the Charlottesville Murder Nazi is neither a Nazi nor a murderer. That's despite a murder conviction by a jury of his peers and repeatedly calling himself a Nazi.
(Score: 2, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday March 24 2021, @07:20PM (17 children)
And here, you outright lie. I have never said that the Nazis in Charlottesville weren't Nazis. There was a group of Nazis exercising their right to free expression. A bunch of communists showed up to fight. I have repeatedly said taht the Nazis and the Communists should have killed each other all day long, and saved us the trouble of sorting out the bad guys from the bad guys.
The guy who killed someone was a Nazi, the chick who got killed was a Communist.
Bad guys all around. And, nothing was lost. Hang them all, and let God sort them out.
That's the difference between you and me. I've disowned the Nazis - you won't disown the Communists. Somehow, you believe that when your side labels someone a Nazi, that makes them a Nazi. Bullshit.
We can hang the guilty, but not everyone in Washington was guilty. Not even everybody in the Capitol building was guilty.
Enjoy this article - https://bigleaguepolitics.com/shock-and-awe-feds-admit-they-are-prosecuting-jan-6-capitol-protesters-to-create-chilling-effect-on-1st-amendment/ [bigleaguepolitics.com]
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 5, Touché) by DeathMonkey on Wednesday March 24 2021, @07:58PM (2 children)
Freedom of speech for me, murder by car for thee.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday March 24 2021, @08:19PM (1 child)
Would you like some cheese with that whine?
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 3, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 24 2021, @08:54PM
Damn liberal snowflakes can't even take a little vehicular homicide without complaining!
Thanks you fucking sociopath.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 24 2021, @08:27PM
And the Runaway who defended the murdering Nazi is a moron.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday March 24 2021, @11:14PM (3 children)
"Kill 'em all and let God sort 'em out" is medieval. Literally medieval, as in "said during the Crusades in the early 13th century."
You have a real problem with posting shit like this that you don't even understand *why* it makes you look terrible. This is why I keep thinking you're either a sociopath, autistic, or some combination of both; because even someone as withdrawn and shy as me gets *all* the alarm bells set off reading the shit you casually type without a second thought. Something is rattling loose in that skull of yours...
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 3, Insightful) by PartTimeZombie on Thursday March 25 2021, @12:07AM
He linked to a story on a site run by people who left Breitbart because it was too reasonable, and presumably he thinks that made some sort of point for him.
(Score: 0, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 26 2021, @03:32AM
Heh, He writes it just for you to come out and make such a spectacle of yourself. Fun to watch, I thank you both. You make a good team.
(Score: 0, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 27 2021, @05:19PM
Troll
I sure do love it when the truth leaves you so speechless you can respond! You should be grateful that all the others treat you with kid gloves.
Thanks for the laughs!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 24 2021, @11:31PM
<raises eyebrow> Appealing to the Albigensian Crusade as your moral high ground? Seriously? [wikipedia.org]
(Score: 3, Informative) by PartTimeZombie on Thursday March 25 2021, @12:04AM (7 children)
Weirdly you keep linking to sites run by people who lie for a living as if that makes some sort of point for you.
Big League Politics is a far-right[1] American media website which traffics in conspiracy theories. [wikipedia.org]
That is not a news site, that is propaganda.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 25 2021, @12:21AM (1 child)
> That is not a news site, that is propaganda.
[LAUGHS IN CNN]
(Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Thursday March 25 2021, @01:27AM
Who mentioned CNN?
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Thursday March 25 2021, @12:48AM (4 children)
As AC already pointed out, CNN leads the list of propaganda sites pushed by the lib/prog/dem side in 'Murica. Followed by almost all the other big sites that the proverbial man in the street recognizes. Followed by anything owned by Ted Turner & company, Hearst, and the majority of readily recognized newspapers.
You take your propaganda from where you like, I'll take mine from where I like.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Thursday March 25 2021, @01:16AM (2 children)
Just don't expect to be taken seriously.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Thursday March 25 2021, @01:24AM (1 child)
Funny, that's what I've been saying about mainstream media for years. Did you really say that, or is there an echo in here?
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Thursday March 25 2021, @01:30AM
No, that's just repeating what you've heard the guys who run your team say.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by aristarchus on Thursday March 25 2021, @07:30AM
Truly, you are an idiot, Runaway. CNN may be a cable news channel, started by Republican Ted Turner, of Georgia, but it is far from as much of a den of lies and iniquity as any of the sites you reference. Your mind is gone, Runaway! You no longer have any judgment, and you cannot tell news from propaganda. This is just the most recent episode of your cognitive malfunction. Look into who is funding your alleged "sources". Or, perhaps you know, because you too, are on the payroll? Check HERE [forbes.com], you patsy! And why to Billionaires tend to fund wacko right-wing "news" sites frequented by lower-class, under-educated citizens like Runaway and the Buzzer?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 24 2021, @07:08PM
Please, the proper spelling is assheil. Get it right, man!
(Score: 4, Interesting) by DeathMonkey on Wednesday March 24 2021, @05:39PM (6 children)
Hmm....if only there was some place where you could find such information!
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday March 24 2021, @07:27PM (5 children)
So, then, every member of Proud Boys, every member of Oath Keepers, and every member of 3% were privy to this one asshole's thoughts and plans?
And, if I go along with that crap, then we can hang every Democrat in New York who voted for Cuomo, because, obviously, they conspired to kill off all the old people in nursing homes with COVIDS.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Wednesday March 24 2021, @08:44PM (2 children)
Sure...just find me the transcript of them literally saying they want to kill old people at the nursing home first.
(Score: 2) by shortscreen on Thursday March 25 2021, @12:54AM (1 child)
The old people at the nursing homes actually died, irrespective of how much it was or wasn't discussed beforehand.
No insurrection took place, irrespective of how much it was or wasn't discussed beforehand.
I'll give you a third example in case you aren't seeing the pattern yet. Congresscritters like to talk about medicare for all, yet they never actually vote on the bill so there is no medicare for all. You see? There is talking and then there is doing.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Thursday March 25 2021, @01:42AM
Talking is all they need to win votes. After that, there's little to do besides raise money for reelection
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 24 2021, @09:01PM
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday March 24 2021, @11:16PM
Lie down with rabid dogs, and getting up with frothy fleas will be the least of your worries. Don't associate with domestic terrorists.
Man, I really need to get my hands on a text dump of that Gab hack and see what you've been saying in there. Please tell me you're not dumb enough to have used the same username there as here. I'll be even more disappointed in you than I already am, and *that* already requires an unsigned 64-bit integer to represent...
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday March 27 2021, @01:00AM
And you're not going to get an apology either. There still has to be some reasonable expectation that it was an insurrection on top of the claim above - hyperbole gets used all the time (such as Runaway's "invasion" by seasonal illegal immigrants - do we expect these immigrants to be driving in with tanks because of the use of that word?).
Just because a few people term this an "insurrection" doesn't make it so. Would a reasonable person do so? Remember even if someone intends to commit a crime, if the intent is irrational and unlikely (or impossible) to result in the crime that they intend to commit, then they aren't committing that crime.
Frankly, this still looks like a standard protest/riot to me. Despite the hysteria, no one has found any evidence of intent to kill or kidnap people (yet - though one would think that would come out before the insurrection stuff). Just a bunch of people entering the capitol illegally, some acts of violence, and leaving "mostly peacefully". They apparently didn't bring (and certainly didn't use) firearms to the protest itself.
(Score: 0, Funny) by Anti-aristarchus on Thursday March 25 2021, @12:27AM (1 child)
Obviously one does not "insurrection", so the phrase "when we are all in DC to insurrection” makes no sense. The proper infinitive verbal form would have been, "to insurrect", but that seems rather gruntled. Or did they mean "in DC to do the insurrection"? Maybe they were just going to "surrect", but then changed their minds? Or, they were intent on stopping a Constitutionally mandated Congressional Duty and installing an illegal dictator? Turns out many of them had prior records.
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Thursday March 25 2021, @03:30PM
Trumpers are bad at English?
What an unpresidented insult! She probably just hadn't had her morning covfefe yet!