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posted by janrinok on Tuesday October 07 2014, @07:42PM   Printer-friendly
from the more-burger-flippers dept.

Carolyn Johnson reports in the Boston Globe that in recent years, the position of postdoctoral researcher has become less a stepping stone and more of a holding tank as postdocs are caught up in an all-but-invisible crisis, mired in a underclass as federal funding for research has leveled off, leaving the supply of well-trained scientists outstripping demand. “It’s sunk in that it’s by no means guaranteed — for anyone, really — that an academic position is possible,” says Gary McDowell, a 29-year old biologist doing his second postdoc. “There’s this huge labor force here to do the bench work, the grunt work of science. But then there’s nowhere for them to go; this massive pool of postdocs that accumulates and keeps growing.” The problem is that any researcher running a lab today is training far more people than there will ever be labs to run. Often these supremely well-educated trainees are simply cheap laborers, not learning skills for the careers where they are more likely to find jobs. This wasn’t such an issue decades ago, but universities have expanded the number of PhD students they train from about 30,000 biomedical graduate students in 1979 to 56,800 in 2009, flooding the system with trainees and drawing out the training period.

Possible solutions span a wide gamut, from halving the number of postdocs over time, to creating a new tier of staff scientists that would be better paid but one thing people seem to agree on is that simply adding more money to the pot will not by itself solve the oversupply. Facing these stark statistics, postdocs are taking matters into their own hands recently organizing a Future of Research conference in Boston that they hoped would give voice to their frustrations and hopes and help shape change. “How can we, as the next generation, run the system?” said Kristin Krukenberg, 34, a lead organizer of the conference and a biologist in her sixth year as a postdoc at Harvard Medical School after six years in graduate school. “Some of the models we see don’t seem tenable in the long run."

 
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  • (Score: 2) by VLM on Wednesday October 08 2014, @05:23PM

    by VLM (445) on Wednesday October 08 2014, @05:23PM (#103674)

    First step in fixing a problem is identifying it. So the business model of lets send all kids to college to get a degree and raise tuition until it impoverishes them for life while denigrating the vocational careers might, just maybe, result in a hell of a lot of human suffering. You won't be seeing that opinion much of anywhere.

    Second step in problem solving is when you find yourself digging into a hole, the first thing to do is stop digging. The only thing worse than being a burger flipper 4 life is being a burger flipper 4 life with $100K of debt and an economically worthless degree, but either burger guy or the taxpayer in some bailout will have to pay it back.

    Third thing is work to live not live to work. "working hard at something you love and are good at" That means my grandma who really likes sewing will be sentenced to a torturous life in an inhumane textile sweatshop in Vietnam (because we closed them everywhere else, she's actually German, which makes it even weirder). Naah she did that file clerk / secretary thing and it wasn't so bad and sewed stuff on the weekends. Its even worse for STEM people. I have had jobs that didn't exist when I was in school... I suppose worst case is a "born astronaut" when we're not doing space as a nation, what is the most humane thing to do with those people, euthanasia?

    Fourth thing is you need to live for yourself. Some paid counselor is ordered to give you advice to give yourself a financial death penalty and the kid is dumb enough to do it, well, enjoy the suffering. They're wrong to use a position of power to give bad advice, but the recipient is at least as wrong for not thinking for himself. The old peer pressure thing. Look at your own post "Well, kimosabe, that is the world as it is." No, that's for gullible people who will suffer because they'd rather suffer than think when they select as a life course.

    "Should the smart, hard-working lower middle class kid in Wyoming, say, look at the labor market that exists when he's in 4th grade and say"

    say something like, Dad picked up his truck from the shop this morning and the mechanic and shop owner got $5500 for an engine rebuild, its tiring dirty work but hey, $5500 is $5500, then he took me to lunch where the waitress with her degree in mathematics trying to pay off her $50K loan at the donut shop, got a $2 tip from my dad because its all he had left after paying the mechanic. Yesterday my school teacher indoctrinated me all day with how important it is to get a degree, man I can't wait till I'm in college, after all, everyone tells me if I get a degree, a job will magically appear that requires it, how cool is that?

    Theres a "well known" and fairly obvious racket where you know the victims are going to get screwed. Its like going to a casino and having the gall to complain about losing. The way to win at the casino is not to play.

    "is like bashing people who are injured in auto accidents for being foolish enough to"

    get treated by leaches and astrology readings and homeopathy. After all, authority figures never lie, and thinking for yourself is wrong, so one of those three must be the right medical treatment for a car accident injury.

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  • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Thursday October 09 2014, @04:44PM

    by Phoenix666 (552) on Thursday October 09 2014, @04:44PM (#104106) Journal

    Yes, VLM, but kids in this country are not taught to challenge and question authority figures. They're not. It's one thing for you, as a wizened, experienced adult, to glibly say, oh, well, gee, the kids should have known better than to take what their guidance counselor was saying at face-value, but it's entirely different when you're that kid, without the benefit of your life experience, to abruptly stand up, announce that their guidance counselor is a tool of the 1%, and to reject their advice entire.

    See, you expect that kids should know what we adults do, which is that the whole system is a racket. You want them to challenge the conventional wisdom when every single thing within the confines of your average public school teaches them otherwise. It's not realistic.

    Throwing stones at those who were marketed to as kids of 9 years old does not help. It hurts you, and prevents a better world. Kids follow what their parents and schools tell them. If that's wrong, we need to change that messaging. But blaming the kids themselves for believing what they're told makes no sense, and helps no one.

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  • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Tuesday October 14 2014, @02:55PM

    by Phoenix666 (552) on Tuesday October 14 2014, @02:55PM (#105951) Journal

    VLM, I respect your input and advice on technical matters--you know so much more than I do in certain areas, and I learn a lot from what you post. But this hobby horse of yours on education, well, it's kind of incoherent.

    I agree that higher education is a racket. It's BS designed to extract ever more wealth from the lower and middle classes to feed an insatiable financial sector that really produces nothing of value for anyone. But it's also pervasive. I challenge you to find a single blessed school district in this nation that isn't exhorting its students to work hard to get into a good college. Parents, too, overworked and over-burdened themselves, mostly parrot what the educational system and government are saying. So I put it to you again, where are the young people in our country supposed to get the message that they can do for themselves when their teachers and parents are telling them 24/7 to do something else? It's just not realistic.

    For example, I live in Brooklyn, NY. I have two young kids in Pre-K and K in a public school. They're both bright and creative. The school they're in is a Title 1 school, meaning most of its students are from poor families. They won't get through the school what kids in wealthier schools will get. For me, that's OK because I supplement what they get all the time. But even if they were in the best school possible I would still be urging them to follow their own educational path because I don't trust the entire system--it doesn't teach you what you need to know to be successful.

    But that's not a prescription for how to fix the nation's schools, or to deal with the enormous debt problem that awaits those students who complete the full course. We need a complete overhaul, from top-to-bottom, of a system that was designed to meet 19th century problems with 19th century solutions. If we don't get it, and get it soon, the whole world will suffer.

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