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posted by Fnord666 on Sunday March 28 2021, @05:23AM   Printer-friendly

Red Hat pulls Free Software Foundation funding over Richard Stallman's return:

The chorus of disapproval over Richard M Stallman, founder and former president of the Free Software Foundation (FSF), rejoining the organisation has intensified as Linux giant Red Hat confirmed it was pulling funding.

Stallman announced he had returned to the FSF's Board of Directors last weekend – news that has not gone down well with all in the community and Red Hat is the latest to register its dismay.

CTO Chris Wright tweeted overnight: "I am really outraged by FSF's decision to reinstate RMS. At a moment in time where diversity and inclusion awareness is growing, this is a step backwards."

Describing itself as "appalled" at the return of Stallman to the FSF board of directors "considering the circumstances of Richard Stallman's original resignation in 2019," Red Hat said it decided to act.

"We are immediately suspending all Red Hat funding of the FSF and any FSF-hosted events. In addition, many Red Hat contributors have told us they no longer plan to participate in FSF-led or backed events, and we stand behind them," said Red Hat.

[...] Red Hat's step marks an escalation in the war of words over Stallman's return. As both a long-time donor and contributor of code, the IBM-owned company's action might well give the FSF pause for thought in a way that thousands of outraged tweets might not.

FSF president Geoffrey Knauth stated his intention yesterday "to resign as an FSF officer, director, and voting member as soon as there is a clear path for new leadership."

Red Hat statement about Richard Stallman's return to the Free Software Foundation board


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  • (Score: 0, Troll) by Eratosthenes on Sunday March 28 2021, @08:55AM (24 children)

    by Eratosthenes (13959) on Sunday March 28 2021, @08:55AM (#1130258) Journal

    Yes, Social Justice Warriors, the good guys, have been infiltrating your all misogynist and covert racist club house for quite some time. Now you will have to finally grow up, and stop using terms like "libtard" and "sjw", and stop being radicalized by alt-right edginess and retro-fascist nonsense. Time move out of the basement, and join the adult world. Sorry, it is painful. That Super Bright Light in the Sky (we call it, the "Sun") can be painful until you get used to it, just don't look directly at it. But the main thing is that, in attacking the FSF, and in defending it as an alt-right edgelord, you all are aiding and abetting proprietary software, and the ultimate enslavement of humankind. Just, stop it.

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 28 2021, @09:21AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 28 2021, @09:21AM (#1130264)

    I must not be full aspie, because I actually caught on when I reached this part: "painful until you get used to it, just don't look directly at it." Everyone knows that the Evil Daystar causes spontaneous combustion or turns us to dust on contact. I suppose that you advocate lighting people on fire to keep them warm, too.

  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by c0lo on Sunday March 28 2021, @09:39AM (7 children)

    by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Sunday March 28 2021, @09:39AM (#1130265) Journal

    you all are aiding and abetting proprietary software

    Care to explain it, oh, you chief of a library long gone?

    I admit that I lost track how FSF is conducting its mission today or indeed what exactly is this mission. Mind you, I'm not saying it doesn't have a mission just that, as a limited human as I find myself, I lost track of it in the practical sense. Like, what has FSF done for us in the last 5 years?

    And then, how exactly the entire Stallman brouhaha - quitting, rejoining (and, I suppose, quitting again soonish) - helped or didn't help keeping the proprietary software at bay?

    --
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
    • (Score: 5, Interesting) by Anti-aristarchus on Sunday March 28 2021, @10:45AM (4 children)

      by Anti-aristarchus (14390) on Sunday March 28 2021, @10:45AM (#1130269) Journal

      The battle has been long. Not so much what FSF has done in the recent past, but the insistence on Free Software. We have seen many, many attempts to destroy that. Novell has been mentioned. COREL? SuSE went to the Dark Side, and Redhat has committed sins against free software that are questionable, if not unforgiveable. Not to mention systemd. SCO, Linux Foundation. "Open Source". DRM in WWW3 standards. Creeping attempts to confuse the issues, confuse the public, and ultimately destroy free software as a concept, and as a GPL. Those are the stakes. Also why I cringe when ever I hear "public-private partnership."

      • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Sunday March 28 2021, @11:43AM

        by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Sunday March 28 2021, @11:43AM (#1130274) Journal

        Creeping attempts to confuse the issues, confuse the public, and ultimately destroy free software as a concept, and as a GPL. Those are the stakes.

        Those I know about. What happened to them lately? Are we better or are we worse in this regard?
        If we aren't better, what was FSF doing to at least try to make them better?

        I heard nothing of "yet another city/county/state going open source", nothing about "open standards", nothing about "Social Media with privacy", nothing about many things, only about RMS pro and against.

        So... what else?

        --
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 28 2021, @01:03PM (2 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 28 2021, @01:03PM (#1130290)

        Take a chill pill already and try to leave your reality distortion field for a moment. There’s no attempt to confuse the public because the public has never heard of RMS, the FSF, or the GPL, and doesn’t give a shit. If, after all these years, that’s still the case, then it’s all been a miserable failure.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 29 2021, @12:05AM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 29 2021, @12:05AM (#1130500)

          he public has never heard of RMS, the FSF, or the GPL, and doesn’t give a shit

          So, who cares about the public? Really. This isn't a popularity contest where it matters how big the Kardassians asses are. The public may not care about free software, but nerds don't care about the public. Stop trying to push your normie social standards onto other groups you bigot.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 29 2021, @10:45PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 29 2021, @10:45PM (#1130954)
            Who cares about the public? Obviously the poster who claims this is all an attempt to confuse the public. The public doesn’t care because the public doesn’t know about free software, the GPL, open source, or Richard Stallman.

            You say nerds don’t care about the public, but you complain when anyone calls out your bullshit. Nice.

            Fucking hypocrite.

    • (Score: 2) by Eratosthenes on Monday March 29 2021, @12:28AM (1 child)

      by Eratosthenes (13959) on Monday March 29 2021, @12:28AM (#1130514) Journal

      And then, how exactly the entire Stallman brouhaha - quitting, rejoining (and, I suppose, quitting again soonish) - helped or didn't help keeping the proprietary software at bay?

      Doesn't help, at all. In fact, a distraction? A manufactured, intentional distraction? This is really my point, and I do not mean to engage in the details of the "brouhaha", but this is an attack on free software. Post-conventional warfare is like this. The players are often not clear, the attacks are oblique, and the game is a long one.

      • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Monday March 29 2021, @04:26AM

        by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Monday March 29 2021, @04:26AM (#1130606) Journal

        In fact, a distraction? A manufactured, intentional distraction? ... but this is an attack on free software. Post-conventional warfare is like this. The players are often not clear, the attacks are oblique, and the game is a long one.

        Safe to say, then, that either:

        • FSF must start doing what it is supposed to do instead of being paralyzed by internal fights; or
        • be dismantled asap, to let a clean room for any potential successor that does what it needs to be done. Since this is a potentiality rather then a certitude, I'll argue that maintaining a sick FSF is helping them by exposing an attack surface - it may be better w/o it than with it. I can't say for sure that "w/o it" is better, even an inert boulder may still be useful if nothing better is at hand

        Coming to TFA,

        FSF president Geoffrey Knauth stated his intention yesterday "to resign as an FSF officer, director, and voting member as soon as there is a clear path for new leadership."

        Well, Geoffrey mate, just don't waste your time, the sooner you find a new (and proper) leadership, the better.

        --
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
  • (Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 28 2021, @02:23PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 28 2021, @02:23PM (#1130314)

    Libtards are libertarians, not liberals. So feel free to continue using the term.

    Same as antifa is hardly an insult - the opposite would be pro-fascist.

    And woke? Far better than sleepwalking through life..

  • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 28 2021, @04:42PM (9 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 28 2021, @04:42PM (#1130347)

    Maybe people are “aiding and abetting proprietary software “ because, as a programmer, it put a roof over my head, and as a user, it meets the users needs.

    For most coders and most users, this is simply the result of the freedom to choose. In many cases free software that doesn’t do the job is just too damn expensive.

    So anyone railing against that free choice, by, for example, calling them unethical and immoral, deserves all the shit he’s getting now. He’s a fascist fat smelly incel who deserves all the opprobrium being heaped on him and his world view.

    • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 28 2021, @04:58PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 28 2021, @04:58PM (#1130351)

      fascist

      And people wonder why these insults don't mean anything anymore.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 28 2021, @05:53PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 28 2021, @05:53PM (#1130372)

        Almost like somebody has been diluting the term and using projection to accuse others of what they themselves are doing. Can't imagine why... let's discuss it at Davos.

    • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 28 2021, @10:04PM (4 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 28 2021, @10:04PM (#1130464)

      A fundamentally unethical job putting a roof over your head does not justify your fundamentally unethical job. Much in the same way that although the TSA provides jobs to people, that fact does not justify jackbooted government thugs molesting people at airports and forcing them to take off their shoes. The fact that you can make money doing something does not by itself justify doing it.

      • (Score: 1, Disagree) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 28 2021, @11:32PM (3 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 28 2021, @11:32PM (#1130485)

        How is it unethical to write software, sell it, and not give the source? Is it not mine to do as I choose? If someone pays for it because they see value in it to them is it not a fair exchange of goods or services for payment?

        Don’t like it, write a competitor and give it away for free, or STFU. But considering how much proprietary software is sold, most people are far more satisfied than with spyware Software as a Service that the GPL forces devs to do if they want to use GPL software without having to give out their modified source.

        You may feel that’s against the spirit of the GPL, in which case you clearly misunderstood it - it is a distribution license, not a use license. Blame Stallman for the blunder.

        Do you I call the cake baker, the pizza maker, and the restauaunter unethical when they don’t give you THEIR source - their lists of suppliers and recipes? I don’t think so. You might, in which case don’t eat it because you’re supposedly supporting someone you think is unethical.

        Stallman was a fool. Question is, who is the greater fool - him or his followers. Because it was his labeling people unethical for not giving away their work that is unethical. He didn’t care - he never actually earned a real living, spending his working years sleeping in offices or mooching a room here and there. How is being a smelly fat mooch for his whole working life ethical? He’s a useless bum, and he even looks lithe part.

        • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 29 2021, @12:04AM (2 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 29 2021, @12:04AM (#1130499)

          How is it unethical to write software, sell it, and not give the source?

          Because although that personally benefits you, it harms society overall. We're in a society right now plagued by both proprietary software and SAASS (service as a software substitute). The end result is that the vast majority of people do not control their own computing, leaving them more open to being spied on and otherwise abused than they otherwise would. If they want to educate themselves about how the software they run works, they can't because it's proprietary. If they find out the proprietary software they've been trained to depend on spies on or abuses them in some way, it's far more difficult to get rid of it and no one can fork it in favor of a non-abusive version. Pizza can't spy on you or abuse you in the way that software can; that is a braindead false equivalence.

          Proprietary software is inherently antithetical to freedom, education, and independence. The general tendency of people to accept black box computing has harmed society immensely.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 29 2021, @05:38PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 29 2021, @05:38PM (#1130853)

            ^

            amazing how people used to complain when software automatically changed anything on your system, or a game company bundled in spyware with their product. These days most people have given up and shrug with a "whatcha gonna do" attitude. We need laws with teeth, trying to police and track all the various spyware is a losing battle and seems to rarely hurt company's bottom line anymore.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 29 2021, @10:53PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 29 2021, @10:53PM (#1130958)
            If you think all software is SaaS you’re an idiot. Shove your straw man argument where the sun don’t shine, or answer my points. Is it unethical for the pizza parlour to refuse to give you their recipe, are they unethical running a “pizza as a service “? Same with the baker - how is it unethical for them to keep their recipe secret and sell “baked bread as a service?”

            It’s basically the same thing.

            And if it’s unethical, when are you going to start giving away pizzas and bread for free?

    • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Monday March 29 2021, @12:45AM

      by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Monday March 29 2021, @12:45AM (#1130522) Journal

      Well, you can always learn to code...er, shit. That was insensitive wasn't it? :/

      --
      I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 29 2021, @11:48PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 29 2021, @11:48PM (#1130983)

      You're a Suited Whore. What are you even doing here? Shouldn't you be in West Hollywood slanging your ass?

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 28 2021, @07:31PM (2 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 28 2021, @07:31PM (#1130405)

    Social Justice Warriors

    More like social patriarchy warriors. SPWs uphold gender dichotomy and masculine heteronormativity. They frequently spout off homophobia, presuming that dicks are unattractive, and so they are complicit in the misandry of patriarchy. Furthermore, they seek to brutalize people assigned male and induct them into a cult of chivalry, predicated on male virility (i.e. those are who not virile are "incels"). They seek to keep women locked up in safe little cages ever dependent on a social justice Prince Charming to deliver them from the unworthy masses of bastards and other freebirth toads, into his arms.

    This is not justice. This is the same old, boring, obsolete patriarchy.

    Did we ever find out what horrible, transphobic thing RMS said?

    • (Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 28 2021, @07:39PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 28 2021, @07:39PM (#1130406)

      Search rms transphobia on the google. It sounds like the pronoun police are sperging over blog posts like this one:

      https://stallman.org/articles/genderless-pronouns.html [stallman.org]

      It is actually linked near the top of his homepage.

      https://stallman.org/antiglossary.html [stallman.org]

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 28 2021, @08:50PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 28 2021, @08:50PM (#1130432)

        Ah, I must work on my duck-fu. As always with the SPWs, I am left scratching my head and wondering if they've ever actually encountered transphobia.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 31 2021, @03:28AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 31 2021, @03:28AM (#1131520)

    It's our fucking software that we wrote. Not you women and transfags.