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posted by Fnord666 on Sunday March 28 2021, @05:23AM   Printer-friendly

Red Hat pulls Free Software Foundation funding over Richard Stallman's return:

The chorus of disapproval over Richard M Stallman, founder and former president of the Free Software Foundation (FSF), rejoining the organisation has intensified as Linux giant Red Hat confirmed it was pulling funding.

Stallman announced he had returned to the FSF's Board of Directors last weekend – news that has not gone down well with all in the community and Red Hat is the latest to register its dismay.

CTO Chris Wright tweeted overnight: "I am really outraged by FSF's decision to reinstate RMS. At a moment in time where diversity and inclusion awareness is growing, this is a step backwards."

Describing itself as "appalled" at the return of Stallman to the FSF board of directors "considering the circumstances of Richard Stallman's original resignation in 2019," Red Hat said it decided to act.

"We are immediately suspending all Red Hat funding of the FSF and any FSF-hosted events. In addition, many Red Hat contributors have told us they no longer plan to participate in FSF-led or backed events, and we stand behind them," said Red Hat.

[...] Red Hat's step marks an escalation in the war of words over Stallman's return. As both a long-time donor and contributor of code, the IBM-owned company's action might well give the FSF pause for thought in a way that thousands of outraged tweets might not.

FSF president Geoffrey Knauth stated his intention yesterday "to resign as an FSF officer, director, and voting member as soon as there is a clear path for new leadership."

Red Hat statement about Richard Stallman's return to the Free Software Foundation board


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  • (Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 28 2021, @07:20AM (40 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 28 2021, @07:20AM (#1130236)

    1. i am not strictly into programming, but have been around it for a while, and have noticed that of all the branches, CS ends up with the greatest share of people with a diagnosis or personality disturbance.
    There is also an other strange phenomena: sexuality in these circles is not like in others: there is no game of maturity or pokerfacing or other social games, so there are no forces that impose mature "state of mind", or complicated autopilots, on the programmers... It is also they who are the least sexually active people.
    The last and not the least, is that the way u have to think when program is the least compatible with the brain, it kind of wrecks it.
    Let us not even talk about physical adeptness.

    Lot of attack vectors for psychos.

    As an addendum, mostly pseudopersons are offended by Linus. :D

    2. On higher levels, software design is too close to the linguistic part of the brain: it is easy to blend in, until assembly or codecs or some other serious programming issue comes up.
    This is why the present "culture" is full with so many "qualified" psychos.
    It is too easy to blend in.
    In no other technical field does this exist.
    As an example, I have dabbled with programming, combinatorics, and other stuff, and can tag along in a discussion with programmers.
    But u can fuck around as much as u want, I can give u a circuit with 10 transistors, and either u know or not. There is no room to wriggle.

    Eventually this shitstorm settles, and a new era of fascism will arise, because many will see that fascism, seeing it from an evolutionary perspective, is there to keep the lunatics at bay.
    It will, of course, bring its own share of problems, mostly because one can not kill anymore.
    In the old days, though =)
    I could live for the king all day long... Just give the orders.

    =)
    ur friend, Zug

    • (Score: 5, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 28 2021, @07:51AM (18 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 28 2021, @07:51AM (#1130244)

      I'm not entirely certain that I follow your post, but here goes:
      Many programmers suffer from Asperger's Syndrome which makes them unable to understand social cues. On the other hand, Aspies often have high IQ's and an obsessive attention to detail which are valuable traits in technical fields.
      The 'cancel culture' mob who are trying to take over are part of the Post Meritocracy Movement. These people are very much /not/ Aspies and are in fact openly hostile to them both due to their disability and to their elevated status in tech fields. The short form is that they are highly offended that 'social retards' are allowed to have status and recognition for achievements that they themselves are not capable of. There is also a fair bit of embezzlement using 'outreach programs' that nobody is allowed to question.
      Fascism and other forms of totalitarianism are what happens when psychopaths are allowed to take over. It never ends well for anybody and is the leading cause of societal collapse throughout history.
      Give me freedom or give me death, and may your king roast in hell where they belong.
      You are no friend of mine.

      • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 28 2021, @07:57AM (2 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 28 2021, @07:57AM (#1130246)

        I am no friend of yours, because you do not understand. U are an aspie, most likely.

        Humanity in its current form is a thin slice in time of the wast oceans of time that we have existed.
        Some things that were needed once, do not fit anymore.

        Then, the phrase "give me freedom or give me death" is a giveaway of who you are.
        U want something u cant fight for, and do not understand that freedom only exists in contexts, not on its own.
        U want freedom, but despise the forces who can grant you the laws that create the space in witch u have the freedom.

        Personally, i would say "if u cant pull the trigger, at least give the orders".

        also, get of my lawn, human.

        -ur friendly friend, zug

        • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 28 2021, @08:45AM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 28 2021, @08:45AM (#1130254)

          The parasites for whom you advocate were never needed nor will they ever be. They create nothing, but exist only to destroy. Never giving, only taking. They may promise freedom to their followers but in truth would enslave us all, for they are without conscience or compassion, ruled only by their greed. And ultimately it is greed that is the root cause of all of humanity's problems.

          You claim to be friendly, but are no friend. Get off my planet.

          • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 28 2021, @09:01AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 28 2021, @09:01AM (#1130261)

            history begs to disagree...
            civilizations bloomed most under the great empires, and the safety and prosperity they gave.

            of course, when they finally crumbled, you could call them fascists.

            as example, US is not great cuz its humble.

            i dont get why all my comments are modded troll, i only speak the truth. ( - ahahahaha topkek)

            -zug

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 28 2021, @01:41PM (14 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 28 2021, @01:41PM (#1130295)
        You are defending the indefensible. Most of these “aspies” are self-diagnosed, and use their self diagnosis as an excuse to be assholes. And they certainly haven’t got all that much intelligence if they can’t learn the rules of social interaction that most people learn as a kid.

        The majority of coders are not “aspies.” Same as in other fields, they are people capable of focusing on the job at hand for long hours, even death marches, without losing their humanity.

        So why is tech so full of the fucked up? Because you don’t have to be mature to write code. Kids can do it. So it has become a retreat for people who are afraid of growing up, end of story. Stupid bro culture, both wanting to like girls but afraid of them. If this sounds like the behaviour of a 10-year-old, it’s because it is. It’s ugly when it’s present in adults, and the high proportion of misogynist males in tech is a direct result of people who want an environment where they can work without having to grow the fuck up.

        Case in point - RMS. Usually, you get an education, leave school, get a job and a place of your own, because the world isn’t a scary place for a functioning adult. Stallman? He was crashing in the labs of MIT long after he was finished with his schooling. Unable to get a real job and a place of his own. An adolescent (at best) in an adult body. He then spent the rest of his life until the age of retirement going from one couch or borrowed room to another. His “job” paid $0.

        Smelly, disgusting personal hygiene, with a long history of misogyny, he’s the typical incel who still wants what he can’t have (see his personal ad from over a decade ago on gnu.org and you’ll know why).

        Tech is full of guys who make all sorts of excuses for their weird ways, to the point where they believe it’s “normal” for people in the field. But it never was. Most of the workers aren’t incels, enjoy going out with friends and family , and talk about the same things as everyone else. In other words, they’re not one-dimensional characters. They did what most people do, learned how to get along in the world instead of hiding from it in a cult-like lifestyle.

        And they believe they are better than everyone else because they’re “special.” They are not. They could all have a big get-together and drink the purple floavor-aid and nothing much will change, except that without their toxicity, more women will get into the field.

        It’s not a coincidence that Stallman quit around the time he qualified for social security - his first regular income in a lifetime. Let that whole sorry saga sink in and ask yourself - would you want to be associated with such a stupid bum? Would you let him stay at your place for a few months, with all his crazy demands on his hosts? (They are also on gnu.org, and most people would say “fuck you - be happy for what we’re giving you’)

        That neither the FSF nor Stallman saw the reaction shows just how cloistered and insular their little world is. The world is better of without the useless PR fundraising campaigns of the FSF, and without Stallman. They should fold up their tents and leave the world to adults.

        • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 28 2021, @02:02PM (3 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 28 2021, @02:02PM (#1130302)

          fakefuck, is that u?

          anyways, i do not think they do any of what u say.
          they just code, and make fun jokes on occasions, or go into long monologues on random topics.

          do not get me wrong, i enjoy programmers, they are rather peaceful and informative poeple.

          never the less, they have shortcomings, that makes organisations to densly populated by them easy to infliltrate, and that is one reason many dislike Linus.
          he is a military type of guy, with some strength, agression, and fits of rage.
          inflitrators hate righteous authority =)

          -zug

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 28 2021, @04:12PM (2 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 28 2021, @04:12PM (#1130338)

            Sorry but I’m definitely not fakefuck. Not even dontgiveafuck.

            Honestly, this whole thing is just another example of how isolated from reality so many who support Stallman and the FSF are. I’m just watching with my bowl of popcorn, because this whole mess was entirely predictable.

            I’m still waiting for anyone to give even a semi coherent answer to the question of exactly what either Stallman or the FSF have done of consequence in years. Every pronouncement from the FSF is accompanied by numerous complaints about what they’re actually DOING aside from raising awareness of the FSF for fundraising purposes.

            Advocacy? Well, I’d call that a big fat fail at this point. Stallman, either there or not there, changed nothing whatsoever. So why bring him back? Stallman hasn’t done anything of note in decades. Their bringing him back wasn’t only time-deaf; it shines a light on the FSF, and people are realizing how ineffective and useless it really is.

            And that’s absolutely a GOOD THING™

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 28 2021, @06:34PM (1 child)

              by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 28 2021, @06:34PM (#1130385)

              what they did was that they were there.
              perhaps not the "right people", but in the right place, at right time, with the right philosophy.

              personally, i am not in favor of waiting indefinitely for the right leader.

              if u cant have the ones u love, love the ones u have =)

              • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 28 2021, @08:51PM

                by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 28 2021, @08:51PM (#1130433)

                They failed. Because the GPL is useless. It discourages investment in GPL software. If they had said “only requires divulging the source after X number of years” there would have been huge investment, and the source would have been opened after a few years.

        • (Score: 2) by shortscreen on Sunday March 28 2021, @05:04PM (5 children)

          by shortscreen (2252) on Sunday March 28 2021, @05:04PM (#1130356) Journal

          Nice narrative you have going on there, but how would RMS qualify for social security if he never worked and paid into it?

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 28 2021, @06:14PM (4 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 28 2021, @06:14PM (#1130380)
            Supplemental Security Income:

            Supplemental Security Income (SSI) is a Federal income supplement program funded by general tax revenues (not Social Security taxes):

            So even a bum who never paid into the social security plan can collect at 65.

            https://www.ssa.gov/ssi/ [ssa.gov]

            So yes, a happy ending fucking over taxpayers.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 28 2021, @06:36PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 28 2021, @06:36PM (#1130386)

              Beautiful, almost Randian in tragicness.

            • (Score: 2) by shortscreen on Sunday March 28 2021, @10:53PM (2 children)

              by shortscreen (2252) on Sunday March 28 2021, @10:53PM (#1130478) Journal

              Thanks for responding, I had no idea about that. Rather strange set of incentives where a person can collect it if they live in a mcmansion and drive a Bentley but not if they have a bank account with $2001 in it. Although in the end it's only 800 bucks a month which is like 1/4 the cost of a tent in San Fran.

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 28 2021, @11:56PM (1 child)

                by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 28 2021, @11:56PM (#1130494)

                A Bentley would count as "personal property".
                "anything else you own that could be converted to cash and used for food or shelter." cannot exceed $2000 to get on disability.

                A guy who can hang around for 50 years at a university without pursuing gainful employment is either happy with being an ascetic, or has a sufficient personal fortune.

        • (Score: 2) by Beryllium Sphere (r) on Sunday March 28 2021, @06:46PM (1 child)

          by Beryllium Sphere (r) (5062) on Sunday March 28 2021, @06:46PM (#1130393)

          >Most of these “aspies” are self-diagnosed

          It wasn't your main point, but it deserves to be amplified.

          What I've seen from neurodiversity advocates is that they're pissed as hell at self-diagnosed people.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 28 2021, @07:54PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 28 2021, @07:54PM (#1130410)

            Elite pricks.

        • (Score: 3, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 29 2021, @01:42AM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 29 2021, @01:42AM (#1130551)

          RMS created emacs, gcc, the GPL, the free software movement, among many other things. He could have worked anywhere he pleased (and he did).

          What have you accomplished besides trolling on the Internet?

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 30 2021, @02:47PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 30 2021, @02:47PM (#1131213)
            Gcc was so fucked up under his direction that he eventually had to abandon it and import EGCS as the “new” gcc. Why did this happen? He was too autocratic and the code went down a rabbit hole.

            And people were sharing code back in the 70s long before Stallman, so he didn’t “invent” it.

            emacs - tried it, found it stupid, went back to vi (vim wasn’t available back then on that architecture, if at all).

            The GPL - a license that discourages investment in software under that license, and we’ve seen how that played out. The average distro has repositories filled which abandonware. Way to go.

            That last point needs to be emphasized - the GPL leaves software to the not-so-tender mercies of their sponsors. Linux is a great example- now the direction is dictated by IBM/RedHat.

            And modified GPL software is running on servers, where there is no obligation to redistribute the modified source , because the GPL foolishly limited itself to being a distribution licence, whereas most copyright software covers both use and distribution. Use, by per-use fees, and by allowing the holder to be the sole decider as to how copies are made.

            Copyright was originally of a much shorter term, to allow creators a reasonable timeframe to profit from their work, after which it enters the public domain for the benefit of society. The GPL in effect breaks that model. A license with a shorter term before requiring source distribution (say 5 years) would have been far more intelligent. But Stallman is a libertarian, and was blind to alternatives to his personal agenda.

            10 years from now the average distro will still expend mst of its energy tinkering with the desktop, and the repos will be a decade older and even more populated with decrepit software.

            Same as the previous two decades. It’s all been downhill since the turn of the century.

    • (Score: 2, Interesting) by hemocyanin on Sunday March 28 2021, @08:56AM (7 children)

      by hemocyanin (186) on Sunday March 28 2021, @08:56AM (#1130259) Journal

      Interesting, semi-disturbing too. I'm definitely putting your posts in my list tomorrow if they're still marked troll then.

      The last and not the least, is that the way u have to think when program is the least compatible with the brain, it kind of wrecks it.

      All my programming is personal, not professional stuff, but there have been several times I got deep into large projects and while I was there I got a lot of flack from people around me. Apparently, it became difficult for them to understand me or communicate with me or something -- I didn't really get it, it was just told to me by a number of people. Normally I have to work at interpersonal communication and I suspect I wasn't working on that as hard during those projects, but I remember none of the conflicts really. I do remember fondly what I built and the joy I got solving problems. I don't know if it wrecked my brain as you say, but it had some temporary effect.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 28 2021, @01:50PM (6 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 28 2021, @01:50PM (#1130296)
        It’s a bullshit argument. Most people can do crunch time and still have a normal life, normal human interaction, etc. Those who by their admission cannot should leave the field to those who won’t get fucked up by it. But they won’t. They’re addicted to it - the isolation with other bro culture guys is their safe space, their cult, wher they can pretend that not having a well rounded life is not just normal, but makes them superior.

        Great examples of Dunning-Kruger. You don’t want to be stuck at a party with them because the topics of conversation will be very very constrained.

        • (Score: 2, Interesting) by khallow on Sunday March 28 2021, @06:28PM (1 child)

          by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Sunday March 28 2021, @06:28PM (#1130384) Journal

          Those who by their admission cannot should leave the field to those who won’t get fucked up by it. But they won’t. They’re addicted to it - the isolation with other bro culture guys is their safe space, their cult, wher they can pretend that not having a well rounded life is not just normal, but makes them superior.

          Again, I'm just not seeing the problem here. If they leave the field, then what are they going to do? It's bizarre to demand that people leave something they're good at and maybe love, because of some imaginary "addiction". Remember it's not an addiction, if it's a helpful behavior.

          • (Score: 2) by krishnoid on Sunday March 28 2021, @11:28PM

            by krishnoid (1156) on Sunday March 28 2021, @11:28PM (#1130483)

            Parent: It's an addiction
            You: It's a helpful behavior
            Short-time-horizon AI: Considering it's my job now, it's a hobby. Go ahead and categorize it however you want.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 28 2021, @06:39PM (3 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 28 2021, @06:39PM (#1130388)

          You don’t want to be stuck at a party with them because the topics of conversation will be very very constrained.

          Yes because standing around chatting with strangers pretending to be interested in the weather is sooo fkn' sane.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 28 2021, @09:25PM (2 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 28 2021, @09:25PM (#1130448)

            If that’s all you think normal people talk about , you’ve proven my point.

            • (Score: 1) by Acabatag on Sunday March 28 2021, @10:30PM (1 child)

              by Acabatag (2885) on Sunday March 28 2021, @10:30PM (#1130471)

              'Normal' people talk about TV shows, and sportsball events they watched on Teevee.

              boring

              • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 29 2021, @12:01AM

                by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 29 2021, @12:01AM (#1130496)
                Nope. Normal people talk about what’s going on in their lives, which is apparently a lot more than you’ve ever been exposed to, given that you’re using TV shows as your source of information for what constitutes normal conversation.
    • (Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday March 28 2021, @06:26PM (10 children)

      by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Sunday March 28 2021, @06:26PM (#1130381) Journal

      This is why the present "culture" is full with so many "qualified" psychos.
      It is too easy to blend in.
      In no other technical field does this exist.

      What is supposed to be the problem here? Should "qualified" psychos be sleeping under bridges, homeless, instead of having productive jobs that makes peoples' lives better? Why is it considered a problem to blend in easily because everyone cares more about your productivity than your personality?

      Eventually this shitstorm settles, and a new era of fascism will arise, because many will see that fascism, seeing it from an evolutionary perspective, is there to keep the lunatics at bay.

      To the contrary, it sounds it would have just started - when the cure is worse than the disease!

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 28 2021, @06:43PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 28 2021, @06:43PM (#1130390)

        Why is it considered a problem to blend in easily because everyone cares more about your productivity than your personality?

        +1 if you ever noticed, the psychos in management are only interested in grading your personality and rarely about the work. For me it's an early indicator of whether I'm going to be able to work with somebody - if they start "correcting" my behavior and belittling work as "technical stuff" then they go in the trashcan.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 28 2021, @09:28PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 28 2021, @09:28PM (#1130450)
          It’s easier to be more productive if your co-workers aren’t misogynistic pompous arrogant pricks. As an example of their unproductivity, what has Stallman accomplished this century (except blowing up the FSF).
      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 28 2021, @06:43PM (7 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 28 2021, @06:43PM (#1130391)

        the problem is one of perspective.
        i see myself as a manager here: i want my coders to code, not combat sjw people.

        my job is then to prohibit the psychos who blend in and bring other topics to the table, then the core bizniz of the company.

        if u would have a company, and fat genderbent people would make a ruccus over the fact that the contact on ur cable are called male and female, or ur hdds would be configured master and slave, u would purrheaps pay me a sum, and i would break a bat over their knees.
        i would consider it a honor.

        i think we would agree irl, but here u are too focused on being mature, and dont see the big picture.
        so the problem is, when it is easy to blend in, offtopic ppl show up, and make problems.

        -zug

        • (Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday March 28 2021, @07:00PM (6 children)

          by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Sunday March 28 2021, @07:00PM (#1130396) Journal

          i see myself as a manager here: i want my coders to code, not combat sjw people.

          "Combat sjw people"? Sounds like two parties involved in that fight. You probably ought to worry about those too.

          my job is then to prohibit the psychos who blend in and bring other topics to the table, then the core bizniz of the company.

          By "prohibit", you mean fire? It's strange language you use there. I would prohibit the behavior, not the person. My take is that you can prohibit a fair bit of psycho by having and fairly enforcing those rules without requiring much in the way of firing.

          i think we would agree irl, but here u are too focused on being mature, and dont see the big picture. so the problem is, when it is easy to blend in, offtopic ppl show up, and make problems.

          Doesn't sound like there is a big picture here, but that's me. I'll just note that as a manager, it's your job to make offtopic ppl, ontopic ppl. That doesn't always work, but even people with bad social skills can mesh.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 28 2021, @08:45PM (5 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 28 2021, @08:45PM (#1130429)

            people with bad social skills do not create problems.
            they already have enough of it, and seem to be happy as long as they can do what they like.

            u still seem to missunderstand me.

            -zug

            • (Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday March 28 2021, @09:03PM

              by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Sunday March 28 2021, @09:03PM (#1130439) Journal

              u still seem to missunderstand me.

              Sounds like you need to define some terms then.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 28 2021, @09:31PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 28 2021, @09:31PM (#1130452)

              people with bad social skills do not create problems. they already have enough of it, and seem to be happy as long as they can do what they like.

              Written by someone with bad social skills is my guess.

            • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Azuma Hazuki on Monday March 29 2021, @12:59AM (2 children)

              by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Monday March 29 2021, @12:59AM (#1130530) Journal

              It depends on what "bad social skills" mean. I have "bad social skills" in the sense that at work I'm silent, cold, and tend to move a bit too quickly from one task or place to another for anyone to talk to me. Yes, there's definitely some phobia or other at work here. But you know, all it means is I get the entire hospital's deliveries done in an hour, don't gossip, handle returns, and somehow have enough time to have unit dose labels and bags set up for the morning shift despite that not being night shift's job

              But someone else may have "bad social skills" in the sense that they don't bathe, pick fights with co-workers, and take everything anyone says to them as some sort of personal attack. THAT is going to interfere with getting work done.

              So "bad social skills" in and of itself really doesn't give the full picture.

              --
              I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 30 2021, @11:21PM (1 child)

                by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 30 2021, @11:21PM (#1131416)

                One of the interesting things about humans is that gossip isn’t actually a waste of time - it’s one way people are kept “in the loop” about problems before they get too big, so stuff often gets done before it turns into a disaster.

                • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday March 31 2021, @12:15AM

                  by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Wednesday March 31 2021, @12:15AM (#1131447) Journal

                  Yes, which is why I keep all three ears (two natural, one mostly plastic and silicon) out *for* the gossip. I just don't participate. People think I hear less than I actually do, which is amusing sometimes :) Now if only the other hearing aid still worked...

                  --
                  I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 28 2021, @07:43PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 28 2021, @07:43PM (#1130408)

      of all the branches, CS ends up with the greatest share of people with a diagnosis or personality disturbance.

      What branches? Of engineering?

      With CS, you had a field that attracted people with far more ability to understand what is going on in a machine that in people. And understanding machines is a great skill in that field. After what was likely a traumatic experience in high school, studying CS led to an unremarkable but satisfying career with middle-class pay as a programmer. Of other applied engineering disciplines, I guess mechanical engineering is similar in the amount of art that goes into the practice, but the problems and solutions are far more predictable, and antipatterns are less accepted. Programming positions have always had some access path to people without formal education in the field, that is far more rare in the classical engineering disciplines.

      People in CS kept in contact, built their subculture, created public pools for tools that anyone could use. And kept to themselves. Years later, the dotcom bubble, the mobile bubble, the advertising^Wspyware bubble have led to *starting* 6 figure salaries for code slingers. Some of the tool pools were flush with cash donated by grateful projects who got a commercial start with their free tools. Where pretty much every other industry in this country is under pressure, there is upside and demand in programming. "The people have no bread? Why don't they learn to program!" became a popular catchword.

      The promise of easy money and the lack of formal skills demanded by employers is what got the pretenders coming out of the woodwork. Pretenders who had much better social skills than technical skills. Bringing back the social order of high school, ejecting technical people from the tool pools and squandering their funding. These "Fraggles" know that the dumb "Doozers" will feel obligated to continue programming tools for free as they kick down on them.

      How can programmers turn the ship around? They could grow a pair and not care if people are or play offended. They could have a strong professional society that sets standards. There's the ACM, but I think they're entirely academic. I joined the IEEE, who have practicing engineers as members, besides academics.

      I'm not holding my breath that things will improve markedly anytime soon, unless the bubble meets its overdue end. I am content that I saved my pennies while the taking was good, and cannot be cancelled.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 28 2021, @07:59PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 28 2021, @07:59PM (#1130412)

        Not just programming. The sciences too - especially on the academic side where being "balanced" is rewarded as opposed to being actually capable.

  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Frosty Piss on Sunday March 28 2021, @08:59AM (1 child)

    by Frosty Piss (4971) on Sunday March 28 2021, @08:59AM (#1130260)

    Screw Red Hat. It’s a dying distro. Everything IBM touches these days goes down the toilet.

    • (Score: 0, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 28 2021, @04:16PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 28 2021, @04:16PM (#1130342)

      Screw Red Hat. It’s a dying distro. Everything IBM touches these days goes down the toilet.

      Screw Stallman. He hasn’t done anything in decades except stink up the room. And now torpedo the FSF.

  • (Score: 5, Interesting) by jbernardo on Sunday March 28 2021, @12:54PM (3 children)

    by jbernardo (300) on Sunday March 28 2021, @12:54PM (#1130289)

    On other news, Chris Wright kisses Google's ass from the inside, and tweets his (and dead rat's, presumably) approval for Google's new TPM control move - https://twitter.com/kernelcdub/status/1369733652754665481?s=19 [twitter.com]
    This "supply chain signing" will make sure that users no long will be able to run their own code, only corporations will be able to run code on our devices. Just unlocking a bootloader on an android phone will be enough for making it impossible to run any "approved code", without any chance this time for pesky user empowerment tools like magisk. And on PCs, well, you'll probably have to either run Windows, or systemd with full code path signing just to be able to get on the internet.

    • (Score: 3, Interesting) by helel on Sunday March 28 2021, @02:59PM (2 children)

      by helel (2949) on Sunday March 28 2021, @02:59PM (#1130322)

      The sad truth is that all of these app store restrictions and code signing are fundamentally good for most users. It's good for the companies because they get lock-in and a cut of everything sold on their devices, it's good for average users because they can download all the wallpaper apps they want without any risk of ransomware (it'll still cost them their privacy), and it's even good for allot of developers who have a centralized way to publish and monetize their software.

      The small percentage of us who either object on moral grounds or who are materially harmed by code signatures - Well I just hope we never get edged out entirely but it's clear the practice isn't going away...

      • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 29 2021, @12:19AM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 29 2021, @12:19AM (#1130509)

        Software that doesn't respect your freedoms is inherently bad for users, regardless of any minor secondary benefits it might give them. This is especially true in the long term, as users come to depend on proprietary software and are locked in a virtual prison filled with it.

        Software that attacks your privacy is a form of malware by any useful definition of the term.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 30 2021, @11:33PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 30 2021, @11:33PM (#1131422)

          If too many users get “locked in”, that’s a market opportunity for competitors. One way is to keep the price low enough that competition can’t really make a profit competing. Another is to respond to the users needs, so they’re satisfied with the features/cost trade off.

          The cost of a proprietary operating system is far less than it was back in the 80s if you take into account inflation, and you’re getting far more for your money than you did then. And for most, open source is an example of something where free is too expensive, because it doesn’t do what the user wants.

          Free software just isn’t competitive, except when it’s locked into large companies that control how it’s used. They’ve put the money into what benefits them, and the rest is on the verge of becoming abandonware. Stallman has zero interest in fixing this, and the FSF can’t fix it.

  • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 28 2021, @01:56PM (3 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 28 2021, @01:56PM (#1130298)

    If you are trying to make money by encouraging folks to use your proprietary software, then Stallman is a dangerous man. (As in dangerous to your profits.)
    That says that many of the companies selling software and services have a long standing axe to grind with Mr. Stallman.

    He is a man focused on a free software mission. I can think of only one other who has made such a contribution to the cause of free software. For him not to be part of the fsf is absurd.

    However his brain works, it may be that the thing that makes that very useful to society focus also causes some of his proclamations on other subjects to be painful to hear. I find them so, but also logically correct and wonderfully pocitically incorrect. They are not statements of hate or incitement. They seem well within the bound of free speach.

    That said, one must never let a crisis go to waste. It is understandable for those with an axe to grind to try to do so. It is NOT however reasonable to let them get away with it.

    Mr. E supported a great many bad folks. There is no indication that Mr. Stallman was one . I wonder if those asking for his downfall are also without sin.

    • (Score: 0, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 28 2021, @02:50PM (2 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 28 2021, @02:50PM (#1130319)

      To claim that Stallman is any sort of threat to the sale of proprietary software is absurd.

      Most of the GPL software in the average repository is abandonware. Nobody wants the shit games, as just one example.

      Core software like gcc being dropped for non-gnu clang/LLVM.

      And the simple fact that software software sales continue to smash records. Because GPL software can’t compete.

      The app stores alone are on track to do $100 billion again this year. That’s a LOT of propriety software. Not at all threatened by the likes of Stallman.

      Back to games - propriety games have outsold movies as entertainment for years. Again, not threatened by Stallman.

      Desktop operating systems? Microsoft and Apple, no threat from Stallman or the GPL.

      And look at the dominance and control Google exerts over supposedly open software like web browsers. And Android. And chrombooks. The GPL allowed Google to become the dominant player, so no threat from Stallman there.

      And IBM now controls the direction of Linux.

      So really, who is afraid of Stallman and the FSF now? Nobody. Totally irrelevant. Too bad, so sad, but this was always going to be the end game with a license that allows anyone to fork code and encourages fragmentation rather than coalescing around a few good projects. Stallman and the GPL are 100% to blame for their own irrelevance.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 28 2021, @02:54PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 28 2021, @02:54PM (#1130321)

        If it's so irrelevant, why are the usual crowd working so hard to gut the FSF and wear it as a skinsuit?

        • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 28 2021, @04:21PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 28 2021, @04:21PM (#1130344)
          The usual crowd? It was Stallman and the FSF board who made the stupid decision to bring the smelly fat can’t-get-a-fuck back on board. We’re just watching them self destruct. There’s much schadenfreude to be enjoyed by watching a bully get what’s coming to him.
  • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 28 2021, @02:22PM (3 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 28 2021, @02:22PM (#1130312)

    CTO Chris Wright tweeted overnight: "I am really outraged by FSF's decision to reinstate RMS. At a moment in time where diversity and inclusion awareness is growing, this is a step backwards."

    "...inclusion awareness is growing..."

    CTO Chris Wright is a Hypocrite.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 28 2021, @02:46PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 28 2021, @02:46PM (#1130317)

      He says with no sense of irony. Diversity and inclusion are fine as long ad they aren't the wrong kinds of diversity and inclusion.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 28 2021, @08:02PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 28 2021, @08:02PM (#1130415)

        35 Chinese males in a US university department is A-OK.

    • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 28 2021, @03:45PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 28 2021, @03:45PM (#1130332)

      one has to exclude, in order to include.

  • (Score: 2, Interesting) by why_percent on Sunday March 28 2021, @04:01PM (1 child)

    by why_percent (9721) on Sunday March 28 2021, @04:01PM (#1130334)

    The irony is Free Software has thrived for decades with little to no money. You cannot commit economic terrorism against free software.

    • (Score: 0, Disagree) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 28 2021, @04:32PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 28 2021, @04:32PM (#1130346)

      The irony is Free Software has thrived for decades with little to no money. You cannot commit economic terrorism against free software.

      It’s your definition of “thrived” that’s ironic. The important parts of GPL software are firmly in the control of large companies. And the rest is either abandonware or in the way to becoming abandonware. Because developers can make Moore money developing proprietary software.

      Up until he got old enough to collect social security, Stallman didn’t have the “luxury “ of a home to call his own. Just borrowed couches, borrowed rooms, or squatting in offices after hours.

      It’s no coincidence that he quit the FSF when he was old enough to get his first regular income from Social Security. But his ego couldn’t leave well enough alone. So now he’s torpedoed the freebooters and carpetbaggers of the FSF.

      Economic terrorism? Seriously? Withholding support for useless fucks is hardly economic terrorism. More like justice, long delayed , but not to be denied.

  • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 28 2021, @04:07PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 28 2021, @04:07PM (#1130336)

    I'm really glad there's no such thing as cancel culture! Imagine my relief to discover that. And America is still the land of second chances, too. What luck!

  • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 28 2021, @06:59PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 28 2021, @06:59PM (#1130395)

    He is a whiny little bitch who is still pissed off at Gosling for selling EMACS

  • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Beryllium Sphere (r) on Sunday March 28 2021, @07:04PM (2 children)

    by Beryllium Sphere (r) (5062) on Sunday March 28 2021, @07:04PM (#1130397)

    That's the real question here.

    I will use singular "they" here, which goes back to Chaucer.

    My expectations of a leader are
    1. Vision. They see things others do not.
    2. Action. They accomplish things or inspire others to accomplish things. One can imply the other.
    3. Recruitment. They make others want to follow them. They attract and retain people for the movement they lead.
    4. Mentoring. They develop followers who can turn into successors and into subordinate leaders.

    On 1 and 2, rms's history is spectacularly off the charts.

    Now that there is a free software ecosystem, 3 and 4 have increased in relative importance.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 28 2021, @08:03PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 28 2021, @08:03PM (#1130416)

      5. They get the hot chicks.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 29 2021, @05:45PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 29 2021, @05:45PM (#1130857)

        5. Hot Chicks. They get them.

        Works better on so many levels.

  • (Score: 4, Insightful) by dwilson on Sunday March 28 2021, @11:35PM (2 children)

    by dwilson (2599) Subscriber Badge on Sunday March 28 2021, @11:35PM (#1130486) Journal

    I took this opportunity to do something I've never done before: Contribute financially to the FSF. I specifically listed "Stallman's Return" as the reason for the donation, too.

    This modern SJW bullshit is in dire need of a wake-up call. In a world gone mad, it stands out as Crazy. The See-Saw has overbalanced; We either reign it in now, or we'll face terrible-yet-unspecified consequences down the road.

    It's not entirely unlike climate change, actually. Except climate change can touch me regardless of what I believe, the twitter mob mostly can't.

    I can't do much about much, but I Can put my money where my mouth is and vote with my wallet. Will the FSF use my money wisely? Probably not. But that's ok.

    Yes, the irony of 'voting with my wallet' to support an organization that campaigns against paid-development software was not lost on me. Though I will say, according to uMatrix their site and payment processing didn't pull in a single off-domain script. That's amazing, and worth supporting all by itself.

    --
    - D
    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 29 2021, @12:04AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 29 2021, @12:04AM (#1130497)

      I specifically listed "Stallman's Return" as the reason for the donation, too.

      For me it was "RMS' return", "No, you may not thank me publicly with that reason".

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 29 2021, @12:10AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 29 2021, @12:10AM (#1130503)

      Considering that so far nobody has responded to my challenge to name anything of consequence that Stallman or the FSF has done this century, I’m left puzzled by the “unforeseen consequences if they disappear “ bit.

      The busybox case is irrelevant given how cheap ram is for even a router nowadays.

  • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 28 2021, @11:41PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 28 2021, @11:41PM (#1130489)

    https://rms-open-letter.github.io/ [github.io]
    https://rms-support-letter.github.io/ [github.io]

    The support letter is winning. Translating it into 26 languages helped. INB4 BOTS

  • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 29 2021, @12:08AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 29 2021, @12:08AM (#1130502)

    Hardly surprising they are doing this. Stallman is a roadblock to turning Linux into Windows.

  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by jb on Monday March 29 2021, @02:57AM (1 child)

    by jb (338) on Monday March 29 2021, @02:57AM (#1130580)

    Red Hat's step marks an escalation in the war of words over Stallman's return. As both a long-time donor and contributor of code, the IBM-owned company's action might well give the FSF pause for thought...

    Yes, that's right. Red Hat is owned by IBM. You know, the company that's always been known for standing up for what they think is right. Like in Europe when they helped out that fellow with the funny little moustache...?

    So, let me get this straight. According to IBM's subsidiary we are supposed to condemn RMS for mere Wrongthink, but forgive IBM for aiding and abeting the largest scale mass murder in the history of the world???

    No, sorry IBM. You and your subsidiaries don't get to make value judgements. You lost that right forever almost 90 years ago. People who live in glass houses and all that...

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 29 2021, @03:48AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 29 2021, @03:48AM (#1130595)

      So because of Nazi Germany, SUSE is automatically out, too?
      Sorry, that way of thinking makes no sense. IBM is a shit company not for what they did 90 years ago, but for stuff they did yesterday to 20 years ago.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 30 2021, @12:04AM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 30 2021, @12:04AM (#1130993)

    I've defended Red Hat a fair amount due to their support of projects that i've used. It's too bad they have been completely taken over by Neo-Bolshevik, Cultural Marxist operatives. You can shove your "diversity and inclusion" up your ass, because what you really mean is anti-white , anti male discrimination as a tactic. Enjoy your subversion and economic and social manipulation while it lasts. This is not 19th century Russia and we are not unarmed peasants. You will be cleansed from this land.

    • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 30 2021, @11:40PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 30 2021, @11:40PM (#1131424)
      So explain why the proprietary software companies who have to conform to she values are kicking free software’s ass? Is it possible that diversity and inclusion is not just a virtue, but a benefit?
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