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posted by Fnord666 on Monday March 29 2021, @01:06PM   Printer-friendly

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Bad at public speaking? The trick is to distill your message to these 15 words, says speech trainer:

Very few of us are naturally eloquent. But in an age of disconnection — working from home, connecting with the world through a laptop camera — the ability to communicate clearly and effectively has never been more important.

My journey in public speaking started in 2010, after I discovered that 74% of Americans suffer from speech anxiety. My research led me to the Ancient Greeks, who invented speech training, to the present day, when I joined Toastmasters, the world's largest organization devoted to teaching the art of public speaking.

What did I learn? Being a great public speaker has nothing to do with your personality, with overcoming shyness or learning to act confident. It's a technical skill that nearly anyone can acquire, just like cooking.

[...] Then, it's time to distill your message. An effective method is to use this simple, 15-word sentence: As a result of my [talk], they will understand [this], and respond by [doing that].


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  • (Score: 0, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 29 2021, @01:39PM (10 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 29 2021, @01:39PM (#1130729)

    What the hell are you public speaking for? If you're doing it to prove a point or show how important you are... please stop. Life is unbearable enough without more people like you.

    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by DannyB on Monday March 29 2021, @01:46PM (5 children)

      by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Monday March 29 2021, @01:46PM (#1130732) Journal

      Some people, not many, but some, will consider an alternative to public speaking to be to bring an automatic weapon to use on the audience when it is your turn to express your point of view.

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 29 2021, @02:04PM (4 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 29 2021, @02:04PM (#1130740)

        to bring an automatic weapon to use on the audience

        And if one such person's name is Donald Trump, the audience will cheer thunderously as he sprays bullets at them. Trump Supporter: "When the lib'rul media reports about this rally, you just know all them dead people is gonna be the only thing they concentrate on!"

        • (Score: 4, Insightful) by DannyB on Monday March 29 2021, @02:20PM (3 children)

          by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Monday March 29 2021, @02:20PM (#1130746) Journal

          There are rules. One of the most unfair things that was done to Donald Trump by the media was to viciously repeat his own lies words.

          If you can refute your opponent's own words by merely repeating what they said, then how are they able to respond? It seems so unfair!

          So let me repeat a few things you hear from sources such as fox and fiends. Because to state it is to refute it:

          • Democrats are Satan worshiping cannibal pedophile sex traffickers who drink the blood of babies for their rejuvenating powers.
          • California wild fires caused by Secret Jewish Space Lasers
          • "Coronavirus is a cover-up for… child sex trafficking - a major issue in this world and nobody wants to report about it,"
          • I'll make Mexico pay for it
          • The Flat Earth
          • The election was stolen by a vast secret conspiracy that cannot be proven
          • Hugo Chavez manipulated and reprogrammed the Dominion voting machines from beyond the grave to give Biden the victory.
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          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 29 2021, @03:57PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 29 2021, @03:57PM (#1130785)

            Well, now that that failed *only just* the R-team is rushing through laws to bias future elections. Meanwhile we still haven't solved the crisis of Mr. Potato Head,

          • (Score: 2) by krishnoid on Monday March 29 2021, @06:03PM

            by krishnoid (1156) on Monday March 29 2021, @06:03PM (#1130865)

            If you can refute your opponent's own words by merely repeating what they said, then how are they able to respond? It seems so unfair!

            If they can get you to repeat their words, they can quote you as having said them also! Gaslighting protip.

          • (Score: 3, Insightful) by HammeredGlass on Tuesday March 30 2021, @12:16AM

            by HammeredGlass (12241) on Tuesday March 30 2021, @12:16AM (#1131003)

            Too much bullshit to take seriously. Do you work for the MSM? Your ability to mischaracterize and misquote, while claiming to be accurate and forthright, is remarkably disgusting.

    • (Score: 2) by looorg on Monday March 29 2021, @02:48PM

      by looorg (578) on Monday March 29 2021, @02:48PM (#1130766)

      What ... wait ... I though the first rule was that you didn't talk about Fight Club!

    • (Score: 3, Interesting) by khallow on Monday March 29 2021, @03:42PM (2 children)

      by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Monday March 29 2021, @03:42PM (#1130780) Journal

      What the hell are you public speaking for?

      Because you are talking to a bunch of people. Duh.

      If you're doing it to prove a point or show how important you are... please stop.

      All valid reasons despite your protests, let us note. Sounds like you have a case of sour grapes. You construct your life so that you never have to speak in public, thus, you can't think of any reason that anyone else would ever have to either. My present job requires me to speak in public at least twice to inform my coworkers of the services my department provides to them (seasonal workers, need to be told at beginning of each season). My speech is never about weighty stuff, but it is public speaking.

      Another example back when was college lectures.

      One nice thing about the advice of the story is that it covers nicely impromptu public speech where you have no preparation. You're less likely to freeze, if you have some sort of basic plan template that you can use on the spot.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 29 2021, @06:02PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 29 2021, @06:02PM (#1130864)

        You say that like there are no other ways of disseminating the information. Public speaking isn't a very good way of communicating. There's little chance for clarification and people wind up getting board if you don't do it well. There's a reason why lectures at college cone with tests later.

        • (Score: 2, Interesting) by khallow on Tuesday March 30 2021, @07:45AM

          by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday March 30 2021, @07:45AM (#1131109) Journal

          You say that like there are no other ways of disseminating the information.

          My experience has been that it can be better than those other ways.

          Public speaking isn't a very good way of communicating.

          For example, the example at my workplace about 3/4 of the people who listen don't have email. And I'm only saying like five bullet points and hang signs out my department's office too. I also send emails to managers of these other departments. We don't have much to say, but it's fairly important, so we say it in multiple different ways rather than just hoping one way sticks well enough.

          and people wind up getting board if you don't do it well

          Guess we better do it well then, right?

  • (Score: 4, Informative) by DannyB on Monday March 29 2021, @01:43PM (5 children)

    by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Monday March 29 2021, @01:43PM (#1130730) Journal

    TED: The counterintuitive way to be more persuasive [ted.com]

    This is worth 10 minutes of your life. Even if you can only watch the first 5 minutes, it will be highly educational.

    He gives three great examples.

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 29 2021, @04:23PM (4 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 29 2021, @04:23PM (#1130799)

      I watched the first 5 minutes. In both examples, I answered the opposite way to how he said people answered! My conclusion was "other people are dumb".

      • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Monday March 29 2021, @04:47PM (2 children)

        by FatPhil (863) <{pc-soylent} {at} {asdf.fi}> on Monday March 29 2021, @04:47PM (#1130817) Homepage
        [Insert George Carlin quote here.]

        Yup, they are.

        No doubt you reacted to "An effective method is to use this simple, 15-word sentence: As a result of my [talk], they will understand [this], and respond by [doing that]." the same way as me, which is to think "If you're so terrible at communicating that you think this will improve your delivery, then you're probably so terrible at communicating that your audience will see nothing more than someone terrible at communicating when they hear you say this. Either that, or your audience is even dumber than you."
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        • (Score: 3, Insightful) by krishnoid on Monday March 29 2021, @08:23PM (1 child)

          by krishnoid (1156) on Monday March 29 2021, @08:23PM (#1130899)

          On average, half of your audience *will* likely be dumber than you.

          • (Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 29 2021, @09:16PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 29 2021, @09:16PM (#1130919)

            And that's if the smart ones decided to skip your dumbass talk.

      • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Monday March 29 2021, @10:13PM

        by FatPhil (863) <{pc-soylent} {at} {asdf.fi}> on Monday March 29 2021, @10:13PM (#1130937) Homepage
        Now I've seen the vid.

        He's a hypocritical fucknut - laughably so.

        However, the perfect small set would be expected to have the higher value because the flawed larger set raises questions of batch quality, brand quality, or even authenticity. Under all three doubts, the perfect set retains, and the flawed set destroys, the perception of being a veblen good. I'd like to see the X-Y plot of the answers. My answers would be #180 and #150, for reference, as I indeed no longer trust the quality of the production. And don't value "quality" veblen goods the way that manufacturers would want me to.

        So his first point was billed as "counterintuitive", yet I find it completely intuitive, and apparently the majority of the people who were asked the value of the sets agree with me. And I'm sure they'd be able to put into words their reasons, they understand that they perceive the set as maybe being a bit shit. Which I think makes the majority correct. Yup, sorry, that does mean I think you're wrong on this matter, don't take it personally; I've explained my reasoning, feel free to share your (two values and) reasoning back, I'm genuinely interested. (I am a bit of a psychology nerd, which reminds me I need to clean up my inbox, one of my old universities has just said they want to anally probe my brain again, and that mail has scrolled up too much...)

        In the second example, the applicants, he's just plain wrong. The second guy has shown that he also probably has time management skills, a functioning sense of responsibility, generosity, interpersonal skills, the ability to cope with losing graciously, the ability to win graciously too. All seemingly positive traits. So he makes a really weak point with this example.

        The third one - the medical one - is well known, and the medical/marketting companies know this, it's deliberately done, they have professional psychologists on staff to exploit these tricks. The average man on the street might not be familiar with this, and how their own thought processes work, so I think this is a useful and informative example of the dilution effect.

        So with those examples, his central point was diluted.

        His summary was a bit incoherent, as his three examples were not similar enough to corroborate each other to support his central premise, and he did repeat it several times with different wordings, presumably hoping that one of them would resonate better with the audience.

        Which of course means that his summary was diluted too.
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  • (Score: 3, Interesting) by seeprime on Monday March 29 2021, @01:49PM

    by seeprime (5580) on Monday March 29 2021, @01:49PM (#1130735)

    Told everyone that we all get butterflies in our stomachs. Use them and make them fly in formation. Seems like a simple but helpful idea that prevents serious stage freight when used.

  • (Score: 5, Funny) by SomeGuy on Monday March 29 2021, @01:51PM (5 children)

    by SomeGuy (5632) on Monday March 29 2021, @01:51PM (#1130737)

    It's a technical skill that nearly anyone can acquire, just like cooking.

    Damnit! Burned the icecream again. How the hell even...

    • (Score: 4, Funny) by FatPhil on Monday March 29 2021, @04:48PM (2 children)

      by FatPhil (863) <{pc-soylent} {at} {asdf.fi}> on Monday March 29 2021, @04:48PM (#1130819) Homepage
      Dude, get with the 20th century, use a microwave.
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      • (Score: 2, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 29 2021, @06:16PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 29 2021, @06:16PM (#1130873)

        Damnit! Burned the microwave. Stupid advice...

        • (Score: 2) by Freeman on Monday March 29 2021, @10:34PM

          by Freeman (732) on Monday March 29 2021, @10:34PM (#1130948) Journal

          Yes, you can make a fire in a Microwave, if used improperly. The key is to follow the directions and enter the time accordingly. Thus, avoiding the whole problem of, I forgot I had something in the oven / on the stove.

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    • (Score: 3, Informative) by Freeman on Monday March 29 2021, @05:27PM (1 child)

      by Freeman (732) on Monday March 29 2021, @05:27PM (#1130843) Journal

      You used to actually cook ice cream when making ice cream. Look up some old recipes. A Dairy Queen ice cream cone was once known as Iced Milk. https://www.seriouseats.com/2018/08/how-to-make-ice-milk.html [seriouseats.com]

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      • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Monday March 29 2021, @10:18PM

        by FatPhil (863) <{pc-soylent} {at} {asdf.fi}> on Monday March 29 2021, @10:18PM (#1130938) Homepage
        Thank you for your example - I'm actively trying to compile a listory of the degrading of final "-ed"s in such compound nouns, and didn't yet have a concrete "Iced Milk" -> "Ice Milk" example!
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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 29 2021, @02:04PM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 29 2021, @02:04PM (#1130741)

    It was never good to challenge the alpha male/female
    Corollary: if you think you are the alpha male/female you have no fear of speaking

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 29 2021, @06:18PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 29 2021, @06:18PM (#1130875)

      If you think all that alpha/beta bullshit is bullshit then you won't show up to hear the alphas grunting and chest-beating in the first place.

  • (Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 29 2021, @02:13PM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 29 2021, @02:13PM (#1130742)

    The first rule, "know your audience", is impossible these days. Since everyone has a handy video camera in their pocket, your audience, effectively, is the whole world. And since it is impossible to know what might possibly offend every person in the world; and since what might be offensive changes moment by moment; and since social media rewards recreational outrage; you have to be either very brave or foolhardy to do public speaking these days. Who needs their entire life ruined as the result of one innocent remark?

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 29 2021, @02:21PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 29 2021, @02:21PM (#1130749)
      Ban making videos. What’s so hard about that?
  • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 29 2021, @02:18PM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 29 2021, @02:18PM (#1130745)

    1. Know your material. If you’re not intimately familiar with your topic, you shouldn’t be wasting people’s time, same as you shouldn’t be using PowerPoint as a crutch.

    2. Know your target audience. Speak to their interests, not yours.

    3. Write your 3 main points on a 3x5 card. You’ll probably find that you won’t even need the card if you covered 1 and 2

    4. Be interactive. Ask listeners for their ideas often. Not arguments against , by idea, for improvements, synergies, etc. The more they talk, the better a speaker they’ll say you are. There’s an art to being a good listener.

    5. This is NOT A SALES PITCH! nobody likes a sales pitch.

    6. Intro - tell them what you’re talking about. Body: tell them summary: tell them what you talked about.

    Again, this is not a sales pitch or debate. Resist both. Address people directly. If you have to, pick one person and talk to them. Then change to another, and another. Staying focused on one person the whole time marks you as creepy. Talking to the wall at the back of the room marke you as cold, detached, and not really into it, so why should they be?

    7. Thank them. You owe them that much. Seek feedback.

    8. If you’re a stiff, don’t bother.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 29 2021, @09:20PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 29 2021, @09:20PM (#1130921)

      0. STOP talking. Skip the rest of the bullet points. DO something useful.

  • (Score: 5, Funny) by DannyB on Monday March 29 2021, @02:54PM (2 children)

    by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Monday March 29 2021, @02:54PM (#1130767) Journal

    Power Point was originally invented as an effective way to euthanize cattle. People complained that this was cruel and inhumane. Finally, after a lawsuit, this practice was ended.

    Looking for a new market, Microsoft promoted the use of Power Point for corporate presentations. This is why corporate meeting rooms always have the doors locked from the outside. It is a weeding out process. Those who survive the presentation are able to continue their corporate work and get promoted.

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    • (Score: 2) by donkeyhotay on Monday March 29 2021, @03:02PM (1 child)

      by donkeyhotay (2540) on Monday March 29 2021, @03:02PM (#1130770)

      Ha! Quite funny! Thanks for making my day more pleasant

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 30 2021, @05:27AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 30 2021, @05:27AM (#1131081)

        The worker writes the document in text.

        The first level manager needs to justify his higher pay so morphs the
        document into MS Word, and of course the divergence from reality
        starts here.

        Next some MBA needs to make graphs in Visio, major divergence from
        reality in this step.

        Now the VP's hired hand makes a Power Point.

        And in four small steps we have the old "telephone" game that used to
        take 20 steps.

        Good job Uncle Bill!!

        ...

  • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 29 2021, @04:27PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 29 2021, @04:27PM (#1130802)

    We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children. Nigger!

  • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 29 2021, @05:35PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 29 2021, @05:35PM (#1130850)

    Go fsck yourselves.

  • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 29 2021, @09:11PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 29 2021, @09:11PM (#1130917)

    Shit, piss, fuck, cunt, cocksucker, motherfucker, and tits.
    Shit, piss, fuck, cunt, cocksucker, motherfucker, and tits.
    Nigger.

  • (Score: 3, Funny) by KritonK on Tuesday March 30 2021, @08:53AM

    by KritonK (465) on Tuesday March 30 2021, @08:53AM (#1131133)

    As a result of my [talk], they will understand [this], and respond by [doing that].

    As a result of my talk, they will understand nothing, and they will respond by booing.

    Which brings us back to why I had speech anxiety in the first place.

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