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Study shows a third of COVID survivors suffer neurological or mental disorders :
One in three COVID-19 survivors in a study of more than 230,000 mostly American patients were diagnosed with a brain or psychiatric disorder within six months, suggesting the pandemic could lead to a wave of mental and neurological problems, scientists said.
Researchers who conducted the analysis said it was not clear how the virus was linked to psychiatric conditions such as anxiety and depression, but that these were the most common diagnoses among the 14 disorders they looked at.
[...] The new findings, published in the Lancet Psychiatry journal, analysed health records of 236,379 COVID-19 patients, mostly from the United States, and found 34 per cent had been diagnosed with neurological or psychiatric illnesses within six months.
The Lancet article includes this disclaimer:
Big-data studies of this kind have intrinsic limitations, even when drawing on 81 million people, 236 379 of whom had COVID-19. In this pandemic context, not all individuals who are infected with SARS-CoV-2 (particularly those with mild or asymptomatic illness) will be diagnosed, which could result in some contamination of the comparison groups.
The question: will severe, enduring, and less common conditions such as psychoses behave more like neurological disorders or common mental disorders? Among the COVID-19 cohort in this study, a first diagnosis of a psychotic disorder was substantially more common in patients hospitalised with COVID-19.
Lungs, hearts and brains..
Journal Reference:
Jonathan P Rogers. A longer look at COVID-19 and neuropsychiatric outcomes, The Lancet Psychiatry (DOI: 10.1016/S2215-0366(21)00120-6)
Previously:
Experts Warn Coronavirus May Cause 'Wave' of Neurological Conditions Including Parkinson's Disease
2020-06-15 Roundup of COVID-19 (SARS-CoV2, Coronavirus) Stories
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Freeman on Thursday April 08 2021, @03:56PM (26 children)
Is this all, because the illness triggered these problems. Do vaccinated individuals who haven't had COVID-19 already, have the same problems? Is it just a random weird sampling and this means nothing? I'm guessing, more along the lines of side-effects of having been so sick? In which case the vaccination would likely be a very good thing at this point.
Joshua 1:9 "Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the Lord thy God is with thee"
(Score: 3, Informative) by kvutza on Thursday April 08 2021, @04:24PM (3 children)
If it would get induced by vaccination, we should know it quite soon. I humbly guess it is not related to the virus though. But see here:
"Research shows the many neurological symptoms of COVID-19 are likely a result of the body’s widespread immune response to infection rather than the virus directly infecting the brain or nervous system."
https://www.ninds.nih.gov/Current-Research/Coronavirus-and-NINDS/nervous-system [nih.gov]
(Score: 2, Informative) by shrewdsheep on Thursday April 08 2021, @07:11PM (1 child)
How do you define what is related to a virus, though? A virus in itself has no effect whatsoever. Only the actions of the infected cells do cause any effect. Gaming the immune system is a widespread mechanism by which viruses gain in virulence. This is why corticosteroids are often an effective treatment (including Cov19). I would therefore call a "widespread immune response" to be directly caused by (ie. related to) the virus.
(Score: 2) by slinches on Thursday April 08 2021, @09:48PM
How about anything that's unique to that particular virus rather than a general response to any viral infection of similar severity. There's plenty of opportunity for such unique variations based on what cells are susceptible to infection, how it spreads between people and how it gets distributed throughout the body.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 09 2021, @01:04AM
virus etymology = poison, slime, venom [wiktionary.org]
(Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Thursday April 08 2021, @04:25PM (18 children)
I do think there is some bias in that those who willfully exposed themselves to COVID will be over-represented in the population of COVID survivors and as such you should expect elevated levels of mental/neurological disorders in COVID survivors.
Counterpoint: Vaccination seems to mostly reliably cause a less severe disease reaction than wild exposure, and one would assume that it is the severe disease reactions that might be causing long term neurological effects. The question here, then, is: while vaccination is clearly shown to cause less death than wild infection, what rate of neurological side effects is vaccination causing - even if it is less than wild infection, is it enough less to make vaccination a good idea?
There's some prisoners' dilemma going on here: if herd immunity will be reached without 100% vaccination, those who do not vaccinate put themselves at reduced risk for side effects. Last I read, 30% of US citizens have reservations about vaccinating themselves.
Україна досі не є частиною Росії Слава Україні🌻 https://news.stanford.edu/2023/02/17/will-russia-ukraine-war-end
(Score: 4, Funny) by EJ on Thursday April 08 2021, @04:37PM (2 children)
I would never vaccinate myself. I always let the nurse do it.
As for side-effects from the COVID-19 vaccine, I cannot be sure. The autism I got from my flu shot probably masks it.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by choose another one on Thursday April 08 2021, @05:03PM (1 child)
> The autism I got from my flu shot probably masks it.
You got the autism from the measles shot, you got the memory loss and confusion from the COVID one.
Hope this helps...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 09 2021, @05:41PM
No you don't. Stop with the fake news! You get 5G internets from the covid one! Australia confirms it (by denying, of course)
https://www.health.gov.au/initiatives-and-programs/covid-19-vaccines/is-it-true/is-it-true-can-covid-19-vaccines-connect-me-to-the-internet [health.gov.au]
(Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday April 08 2021, @04:38PM (11 children)
(Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Thursday April 08 2021, @04:58PM (10 children)
True, but many have the option to take what I call "the New Zealand approach" to reduce risk from wild exposure to the disease. If you can self-isolate well enough, you may be able to benefit from the reduced risk of vaccination side effects while simultaneously having minimal risk from wild exposure.
Or, you can do like I see my neighbors doing and grocery shopping in person twice a week, maskless, dining out frequently, maskless, etc. Interestingly, even people around here seem to mask up when they go places like WalMart. Pre-Covid WalMart was the place to go if you wanted to catch the latest strain of the flu.
Україна досі не є частиною Росії Слава Україні🌻 https://news.stanford.edu/2023/02/17/will-russia-ukraine-war-end
(Score: 5, Interesting) by choose another one on Thursday April 08 2021, @05:48PM (9 children)
Unless you happen to own a convenient self-sufficient-in-everything island (like, say, New Zealand), the required level of isolation to do that is not long-term sustainable - I know, I've lived something close to it being in the "shielding" / "extremely clinically vulnerable" group in the UK.
A year of living apart from rest of the family (yes, incl. wife) if they are going out at all
A year of only buying things that can be delivered and bleached when it arrives (or left in quarantine for several days)
A year of not going outside house/garden at all - but even I had to break that one a few times for medical appointments
We still have no one else coming into the house, at all - if shit breaks and I can't fix it, it stays broke. Been lucky, not much has except a car which we didn't need (not going anywhere) so just had it towed away for scrap
Yeah, I could do that, and did, but it took a hell of a toll, and even that isn't enough when wild cases around you are really high - I know of more than one case where people who were shielding like me were infected (and in some cases ended up on ventilators) with food deliveries as the only plausible source (and that was before newer more transmissible variants). I was paranoid about disinfecting everything incoming, but I didn't even trust that when cases were at peak, I stopped ordering completely for some 2-3 weeks. I could do that because I had planned for it, but it's not something I or most people can do for any significant length of time.
I am vaccinated now, but my total risk reduction from the fall in local cases (because, vaccines) already exceeds my risk reduction, as an individual, from the vaccine itself. That's the thing - vaccines work, but only really if large enough numbers have them.
End of the day "the New Zealand approach" relies on other people shouldering the risk to keep your power/heat/water/sewage/comms going and keep your food supplied, and a me-have-no-vaccine approach also relies on others shouldering the (much smaller) vaccine risk for you to get any benefit, in either case if the rest didn't take on the risk for you, you'd be SOL. It is not just selfish it is unviable as a strategy for any sort of community.
(Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Thursday April 08 2021, @08:38PM (8 children)
Anything can be overdone. Florida managed the first wave with a pretty loose shutdown that worked. It's not hard to continue living at that shutdown level: mask up, minimal shopping, negligible food prepared and served by others, not 100% boy in the bubble paranoia for everyone, but a real reduction in exposure caused a real reduction in cases... until Thanksgiving 2020 when a large percentage of people decided they had had enough lockdown and traveled to family gatherings, larger groups, more shopping, more restaurants, more exposure, and the 2nd wave of cases was 3x height and width of the first - in large part because there was no mitigating response, just let people decide for themselves how they're going to handle it. We're still not back to October 2020 case levels, even with all the vaccinations, in large part because people have abandoned self-protective behavior.
Our son who goes to a small school with small non rotating classes on a big bus with just a few kids is still attending, the one who is at a 30 kid per room rotating schedule in a population of 2600 - yeah, he's attending remotely. Our groceries are delivered and sit outside in the sun for 10 minutes before being brought in - not because we're that paranoid, but because it's an easy thing to do that seems like a good ROI given the circumstances. We don't eat out, even though and especially now that the restaurants are 100% reopened, because that seems like a bad tradeoff for now. Barber shop - no thanks... etc.
I used to be in-office 3-4 days a week, wfh 1-2. I've been in-office about 3 or 4 times since the shutdown began and only once for more than a quick pickup of materials from my desk. At our facility of 500-ish employees, only about 100 have any real reasons to be on-site, and they are taking serious precautions while there. It really does make a difference, and COVID can be beaten that way, even if you don't live on an island with "only" 5 million people and 30 million sheep.
Україна досі не є частиною Росії Слава Україні🌻 https://news.stanford.edu/2023/02/17/will-russia-ukraine-war-end
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 08 2021, @08:55PM (7 children)
Good for you. You can cower in fear of the coof at home, while the rest of Florida goes about its normal business. It seems so... American.
(Score: 1, Flamebait) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday April 09 2021, @12:00AM (6 children)
Uh...have you seen what passes for "normal business" in Florida? That entire state has a permanent case of swamp fever. If we cut it off and let it drift off into the ocean the country's IQ would go up several points, and yes, that's even if we let Alabama stay in the Union. Florida is America's diseased syphilitic wang dribbling pus and piss into the Atlantic ocean.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 09 2021, @12:22AM
Florida's penis is substantial compared to New Jersey's stubby microdong or New York's cramped and shriveled cock.
(Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Friday April 09 2021, @01:52AM (2 children)
Like much of the rest of the country, our Republican leadership and vocal supporters are actually a minority of the population... yes, they are a substantial hit on the average I.Q. but if you look at median figures we're in line with the rest of the U.S.
Україна досі не є частиною Росії Слава Україні🌻 https://news.stanford.edu/2023/02/17/will-russia-ukraine-war-end
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday April 09 2021, @02:05AM (1 child)
Florida skews right heavily, and I mean that in several senses of the term "right skew" beyond the purely statistical...though they are related!
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 3, Informative) by JoeMerchant on Friday April 09 2021, @02:59AM
We still manage to be a "swing state" in most elections, governors have been shit for decades but there's a strong contingent of thinking voters. We lived near Gainesville, and the University and surrounding areas were, predictably, heavily liberal, counterbalanced by a radically conservative-racist low population density county surrounding it. I grew up in a retirement capital - highest death rate per-capita county in the nation mostly due to old age - seemed to be mostly white retirees from the more affluent areas of NY, NJ, OH, MI, etc. A lot of them were seeking all-white retirement enclaves away from their integrated northern neighborhoods, but a roughly equal number were pretty balanced people. Hispanics in Miami are irrationally heavily Republican... but there's still strong Democratic contingents even in South East Florida and they are "blue" counties in most elections - as are all most high population centers around the country.
Yes, "Florida Man" deserves his reputation and ridicule, but he's not the whole story - not even a majority of the whole story. As I like to say: most pickup truck drivers around here are polite, considerate and safe drivers - at least 60% of 'em.
Україна досі не є частиною Росії Слава Україні🌻 https://news.stanford.edu/2023/02/17/will-russia-ukraine-war-end
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 09 2021, @02:07AM (1 child)
> If we cut it off and let it drift off into the ocean the country's IQ would go up several points
Didn't even know you lived there.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday April 09 2021, @05:12AM
I do live in the US, yes. So it stands to reason that if we got rid of a state known for triple-distilled batshittery (Florida Man, Florida Man, does the stupidest shit he can!)...well, do the math. Unless you, too, are a Floridian in what passes for your heart. Your weaksauce troll attempt may qualify you.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Immerman on Friday April 09 2021, @02:17AM (2 children)
Why are you talking about vaccination versus wild infection?
There is NO infection associated with the COVID vaccine - not even the dead protein shells found in some vaccines, much less the weakened virus found in many, especially older vaccines.
The COVID vaccine just injects you with RNA that tells your own body to make viral protein spikes for a few days. You may still feel some symptoms, but those symptoms are simply a result of your immune system going on high alert in response to a serious perceived threat, there is no actual infection.
People who get seriously ill after getting the vaccine are NOT getting COVID. Most likely they're having a severe allergic reaction to one of the "inert" vaccine components like preservatives, etc. Or less likely, their bodies may be completely unable to muster an effective immune response to the proteins, which could trigger a cytokine storm (essentially your immune system panicing and saying "Nothing is working, make more of everything!", and a lot of that "everything" is not particularly good for you.
I believe herd immunity typically requires 85-95% immunization to be effective, depending on just how contagious the disease is. For COVID, we're probably talking at least 95%. So it's not looking like herd immunity will be a realistic option in the US, which means we have to assume that *everyone* will be infected with COVID. The only question is how often they get it, and how sick they get. lmost everyone with the vaccine should develop mild if any symptoms when infected. Everyone else - 1.8% chance of death, 14% chance of hospitalization, and apparently a 5% chance of developing neurological problems. Along with the slightly lower chance of developing long term lung and/or cardiovascular problems.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 09 2021, @05:48PM (1 child)
Covid will have no herd immunity. It will mutate away and around the vaccine. But it's still very important to get the vaccine if you want to minimize your chances of 'shit happens' when you get exposed to the real thing.
As for the old vaccines being attenuated viruses, no. That depends on the type of vaccine. Polio and rubella are some of the vaccines with attenuated virus. They are not 'old' - they are still used and very effective.
(Score: 2) by Immerman on Friday April 09 2021, @07:06PM
I was trying to convey that such attenuated-virus vaccines were typically among the earliest vaccines developed - they've been around a while, they're "old". Many are still in use, and the modern refinements have made them about as safe as any other type of vaccine.
But, it's still an older technology, and one with higher risks, especially in the early iterations of a new vaccine. Which I think is is why many/most vaccines developed for new diseases typically use one of the newer strategies instead.
(Score: 2, Touché) by The Mighty Buzzard on Friday April 09 2021, @02:30AM (1 child)
They don't claim a causal link. It's important to notice these things with clickbait headlines.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 09 2021, @11:45PM
Your lame critical thinking journal entry comes to mind here. Did your critical thinking get banned? Or do we need to spoon feed you all science articles? Not to mention how on earth is that headline clickbait? Do you even internet bruh?
(Score: 2) by dak664 on Friday April 09 2021, @02:44PM
i'd be interested in the control groups: those with negative PCR and no antibodies and no symptoms; those with positive PCR test (with low NCT) but no antibodies or symptoms; those with positive PCR and antibodies but no symptoms; those who were hospitalized for specifically for covid; and those where were hospitalized for reasons other than covid.
(Score: 5, Interesting) by ElizabethGreene on Thursday April 08 2021, @03:58PM (8 children)
I would be interested to know if the mental disorders were caused by the coronavirus or the stress of quarantine, isolation, and economic impacts of the past year.
I feel like there is a reasonable argument for both, but as a non-expert my opinion should not be given any weight.
(Score: 2, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 08 2021, @04:14PM (2 children)
>> but as a non-expert my opinion should not be given any weight.
You obviously haven't been near a TV or radio for the past two decades.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 08 2021, @07:35PM (1 child)
(Score: 4, Touché) by ElizabethGreene on Friday April 09 2021, @12:39AM
It's funny you should mention that, our President announced today that my "arm brace" folding stock for my pistol makes that firearm into a short-barreled rifle and I'm now subject to the National Firearms Act. I will, at a minimum, have to pay a $200 tax and register the firearm. That presumes they allow that option and don't require the gun be dismantled or destroyed.
The crazy conspiracy theorists batting average is improving. They are still bat-shit crazy, but they are getting some things right.
(Score: 5, Informative) by Beryllium Sphere (r) on Thursday April 08 2021, @04:50PM
Always a good question to ask.
The stress of quarantine, isolation, and economic impacts would have affected the comparison group.
"The disorders were significantly more common in COVID-19 patients than in comparison groups of people who recovered from flu or other respiratory infections over the same time period, the scientists said, suggesting COVID-19 had a specific impact."
(Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Thursday April 08 2021, @04:51PM (1 child)
Mental disorders probably weren't caused by the stress, but the stress could have brought existing undiagnosed mental disorders to light.
Quarantine is stressful, but it's not PTSD causing level stressful. Some of the unemployment situations and ensuing struggles might have elevated to PTSD levels.
Україна досі не є частиною Росії Слава Україні🌻 https://news.stanford.edu/2023/02/17/will-russia-ukraine-war-end
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 08 2021, @07:11PM
Strong disagree there. It's relative. It's natural for humans to spontaneously induce stress, it's quite probable that a lot of people have initiated considerable positive feedback loops as a direct or indirect product of quarantine. And it's not just the individuals, either, the protocols applied to the world at large aren't exactly "friendly". Last I heard, in any case PTSD doesn't require a great deal of stress or trauma, either. Basically your whole post is counterfactual.
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Thursday April 08 2021, @07:50PM
Another Correlation or causation question.
If vaccinations can cause autism, can autism cause one to be vaccinated against Covid-19?
The anti vax hysteria didn't stop, it just died down.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by helel on Thursday April 08 2021, @09:30PM
Individuals that refuse to quarantine are more likely to catch COVID-19 so if it was the stress of of quarantine and isolation that was causing an uptick in mental disorders you'd expect to see higher rates in those who never caught the disease than those that did. The economic impacts have been felt by everybody so that would lead to equal rates between those who did and did not suffer COVID.
Republican Patriotism [youtube.com]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 08 2021, @04:01PM
And now I've got black holes following me around everywhere. Humans freeze their arses off and experience hypoxia when I walk into the room. Go figger.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 08 2021, @04:23PM (1 child)
per subject
even WHO and (former) CDC officials are finally admitting it
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Thursday April 08 2021, @11:01PM
Don't worry, you and the virus only have one helix each, so out of professional courtesy it won't infect you.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 08 2021, @04:36PM (4 children)
Why wait years to find out if the vaccine's going to kill you... ask your doctor for AstraZeneca, and find out a lot sooner!
(Score: 4, Interesting) by choose another one on Thursday April 08 2021, @05:50PM (3 children)
Doctor say: Why wait a couple of days for AstraZeneca when Pfizer anaphylaxis kicks in in 15mins?
(Score: 1) by Ethanol-fueled on Thursday April 08 2021, @07:26PM (2 children)
In my area there are now tons of billboards and radio ads essentially begging people to take the vaccine. The radio ad is particularly funny, because a pathetically sympathetic voice goes, "The vaccines are safe. They are safe because studies show..." [ insert cherry-picked studies from corporate scientists here ]
I'm not sure about the Mexicans, but Blacks ain't getting this one -- they see all those ads targeting colored people and remember well the Tuskegee experiments. An Arab might remember that Osama Bin Laden was identified though a DNA collection program masquerading as a vaccine program. And White people, simply, are just plain too smart to fall for that shit. Again, pro-ronahoax-vaccine types are getting pissy that 40% of our nurses and first-responders are staying the fuck away from the vaccine with no plans to vaccinate. Good luck firing all of them, maybe they can be replaced with Pajeets or illiterate Mexicans.
I believe that the vaccine is toxic shit and will never receive one, even if I have to live out in the sticks and eat berries and game all day. But since big pharma is Jew-run, I think the M.O. behind it is much more simple -- being pro vax/mask/distancing vs. being anti-vax/anti-mask/anti-distancing is more of a political matter than a medical one -- in short, yet another wedge-issue to keep people divided to distract from the Jews' tricks. And as I have said before, when race-baiting is no longer effective, and when the ronahoax is no longer effective, climate change will be the new wedge issue to keep the public fighting each other and distracted from Jewish tricks. One can only wonder what other tricks beyond that the Jews have in store for the Goyim cattle. It's safe to say that they're always thinking two steps ahead, but thinking that Americans will settle for being their subjects is a grave miscalculation of judgement.
(Score: 2) by nostyle on Friday April 09 2021, @12:38AM (1 child)
Sample size - several.
It is now 3- 1/2 weeks since I got the J&J vaccine. No side effects whatsoever.
It is now two months since my wife got the second Moderna shot. The second one gave her 24 hours of chills, but otherwise, no trouble. Last week she returned from her 2-week Maui vacation. She is free to visit her grand-kids now.
All of my children and spouses have had their vaccines without incident or side-effects.
I personally have no cause to caution against vaccination.
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Maybe our genetics are not as fragile as yours, though. YMMV
(Score: 2) by ElizabethGreene on Friday April 09 2021, @12:58AM
I have every intention of getting it, but I'm waiting for people that need it more to get it first. I'm healthy and I've already had Covid and recovered so my risk is exceptionally low.
(Score: 1) by Taxi Dudinous on Thursday April 08 2021, @04:41PM (4 children)
If a third of Covid survivors suffer neurological disorders, is this in addition to the 26% of americans who already have issues?
Per Johns Hopkins:
https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/wellness-and-prevention/mental-health-disorder-statistics [hopkinsmedicine.org]
These numbers are pretty much normal for any year in the US. So how much is really being added by Covid itself? How much is simply due to the stress of the past year?
Sheesh!
(Score: 5, Informative) by choose another one on Thursday April 08 2021, @05:17PM (2 children)
> is this in addition to the 26% of americans who already have issues?
At least in part, yes - they have compared against other americans, from TFA:
Also note that this includes physical neuro disorders as well as psychiatric stuff. None of this is unexpected for those of us who have been paying attention, it's been clear for over a year (at least to those of us paying attention) that COVID affects the brain and that there was going to be a chunk of survivors with long-term or permanent neuro damage - it's just that now we are starting to unpick how big that group of damaged survivors actually is.
(Score: 1) by Taxi Dudinous on Thursday April 08 2021, @05:56PM (1 child)
Thanks for that. I was just set off by the fact that so many people have documented psychiatric issues before Covid even comes into play. But I agree that the other physical damage is nothing to disregard. I have so little time to sift through the minutia of this mess, or anything else right now. I am just automatically suspicious of anything I don't get directly from a lab bulletin board.
And I'm not always sure about the latter either.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by choose another one on Thursday April 08 2021, @08:11PM
> I was just set off by the fact that so many people have documented psychiatric issues before Covid even comes into play
Well we are talking about America - now, I admit I don't live there but I have visited a few times, and I get the definite impression that having a therapist is part of the "american dream" and you ain't "made it" until you've got (at least) one...
Also, another point of note, I think when the article you cited talks about "suffers from ... in a given year" includes those previously diagnosed over whole lifetime (and either recurring or continuing to suffer). The COVID study seems to be talking about _new_ diagnosis within six months of the acute disease, so we aren't talking directly comparable figures anyway. I think the whole-lifetime incidence is actually close to half the population, ie. half of us will get diagnosed with something psychiatric at some point - but that's not the same as in the next six months.
Another thing to consider though is that physical illness, particularly severe and/or chronic, often leads to mental illness, and in a lot of cases (particularly with rarer or trickier to diagnose physical conditions) the physical symptoms get blamed on mental illness ("you have physical symptoms because you are depressed, have some prozac" when actually you are depressed because you are physically ill, but dishing out prozac is less work than proper diagnosis), in this way covid may not in fact be a lot worse than some other chronic illnesses such as Parkinson's, MS, Cancer, or Diabetes etc. I guess the point is that it is up there with those sort of diseases - the flu is notably not on the lists I have found for chronic illnesses causing mental issues...
(Score: 2) by Beryllium Sphere (r) on Thursday April 08 2021, @05:35PM
From the Methods section of the paper, which is up on the web,
"one matched control cohort included patients diagnosed with influenza, and the other matched control cohort included patients diagnosed with any respiratory tract infection including influenza in the same period."
(Score: 0, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 08 2021, @05:22PM
I have neurological or mental disorders from COVID and I haven't even caught it!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 08 2021, @06:18PM
I almost cut my hair
It happened just the other day
It was gettin' kinda long
I could-a said, it was in my way
But I didn't and I wonder why
I feel like letting my freak flag fly
And I feel like I owe it to someone
Must be because I had the flu for Christmas
And I'm not feelin' up to par
It increases my paranoia
Like lookin' at my mirror and seein' a police car
But I'm not givin' in an inch to fear
Cause I promised myself this year
I feel like I owe it to someone
When I finally get myself together
I'm gonna get down in that sunny southern weather
And I find a place inside to laugh
Separate the wheat from the chaff
I feel like I owe it to someone
(Score: 1) by melyan on Thursday April 08 2021, @07:47PM (1 child)
Believing the self to be the most important self.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 08 2021, @08:47PM
To God belongs all that is in the heavens and earth.
Whether you publish what is in your hearts or hide it,
God shall make reckoning with you for it.
He will forgive whom He will,
and chastise whom He will;
God is powerful over everything
-Qur'an 2:284 (Arberry translation)
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 08 2021, @07:58PM
Cancer
Incest
Knifing
Robbery
Traumatic Injury
Bankruptcy
Academy Award loss
...
(Score: 0, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 08 2021, @09:50PM (2 children)
"Researchers who conducted the analysis said it was not clear how the virus was linked to psychiatric conditions such as anxiety and depression, but that these were the most common diagnoses among the 14 disorders they looked at."
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Gosh golly, I highly doubt lockdowns and the most severe economic impact since the great depression have little to do with rattling the fuck out of anyone's nerves. Just watching the news is enough to make some one retarded.
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"Post-COVID cases of stroke, dementia and other neurological disorders were rarer, the researchers said, but were still significant, especially in those who had severe COVID-19."
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Yeah, a disease, who's severest stage probably results in oxygen deprivation would NEVER cause the types of neurological and vascular problems that lead to stroke and dementia in susceptible people.
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"Max Taquet, also an Oxford psychiatrist who worked with Harrison, noted that the study was not able to examine the biological or psychological mechanisms involved, but said urgent research is needed to identify these “with a view to preventing or treating them”."
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What's that? You weren't able to examine the biological OR psychological mechanisms involved? What did you do then? Just ask people if they felt strokey, demented, or mentally ill? We'll be sure to give you a nice healthy grant anyway courtesy of the now ultra cash-infused pharmaceutical industry; wouldn't want those folks selling any less pills to a newly created market segment, would we?
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"The disorders were significantly more common in COVID-19 patients than in comparison groups of people who recovered from flu or other respiratory infections over the same time period, the scientists said, suggesting COVID-19 had a specific impact."
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Yeah, there's no way there are other contributing factors. Everyone knows when flu season comes around it's time to completely shutdown the economy, fire everyone, and report on how many deaths and new cases there are 24/7. Everyone does just fine during flu season! It has to be COVID causing this; never mind the fact we just confessed we know of ZERO biological OR psychological mechanisms involved. This is SCIENCE you lunatics! Money has nothing to do with it!
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"Anxiety, at 17%, and mood disorders, at 14%, were the most common, and did not appear to be related to how mild or severe the patient’s COVID-19 infection had been."
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These are very strange findings indeed. I wonder what could have been causing the stress and abnormal mood swings? It must be the virus. The best course of treatment is probably prescription anti-depressants from your favorite mega-conglomerate pharmaceutical company. We'll need a healthy grant first, with that money, I'm sure we can confirm more pills are needed. It's a win win for everyone involved, right?
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"“This is a very important paper. It confirms beyond any reasonable doubt that COVID-19 affects both brain and mind in equal measure,” said Simon Wessely, chair of psychiatry at King’s College London."
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I mean how could having no known biological OR psychological cause for the claims, as confessed by the researches, give anyone cause for doubt of the findings? This is truly landmark research at ti's finest. Remember this day people, this is the day your best and brightest brought you their best and brightest. After all these new psychiatric illnesses are found and the proper treatments administered, everything will be better for everyone; mark my words. Institutional psychiatry and big pharma wouldn't possibly try to pull a fast one on you to make a few extra billion dollars. They aren't like that. They truly only want what's best for you. What's that? You say you don't believe me? Hmm, step into my office. Tell me more...
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(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 09 2021, @10:17AM (1 child)
Your comment is laughable.
You don't understand that the control group has also been through lockdown?
Please sit down and shut up. Stop drinking and smoking pot, and start reading. You may speak if and only if you have something useful.
Right now you are just pathetic.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 09 2021, @11:48PM
"Stop drinking and smoking pot, and start reading."
Highly doubt that is the problem here, but a common attack especially in the US with its puritannical roots.
(Score: 5, Interesting) by HiThere on Thursday April 08 2021, @10:18PM (2 children)
One known effect of the virus is to create a huge number of extremely small blood clots. These circulate and can accumulate in unpredictable places. It is *my* suspicion that this is the cause of much of the organ failure, and there's no reason at all to believe that it wouldn't affect the brain.
Javascript is what you use to allow unknown third parties to run software you have no idea about on your computer.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 08 2021, @10:56PM (1 child)
Microplastics! There's a good conspiracy theory for you. The CCP is getting rid of their microplastics by putting it in the virus... or in the vaccines. Either way, some of you Robinette Rangers are going to be outraged. But not to the point of learning Critical Thinking Skills.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 09 2021, @11:52PM
Science sure is amazing huh? Who woulda thunk they could make 5G towers so small, and out of microplastics! Doubtful they'll fix the autism problems, from their perspective it is probably a bonus.
(Score: 1) by js290 on Friday April 09 2021, @02:32AM
Virus or shutdown/civil unrest/Trump derangement syndrome?
(Score: 2) by Quicksilver on Friday April 09 2021, @10:03AM (1 child)
So they are claiming that they have data on people who have been infected 6 months ago (or longer) in a situation that started only a year ago? (and those first 6 months people were running in circles grasping at straws...) And they feel their statistically sample has some level of accuracy when in the first 6 months tests weren't available and people were largely locked down so doctor visits were mostly non existent? They still think they have any statistical relevance when another Soylent post on this same day says half of Covid infections are asymptomatic? And lastly do they have any possible way to get accurate mental health numbers when people are locked down and gathering that info from mental health practitioners is impossible because of HIPAA?
This doesn't pass any form of a 'sniff' test. This "research" isn't worth the toilet paper they wiped it up with.
- I would say that there is a higher probability of seeing increased mental heath issues if you induce a general pedantic fear into a population along with socially isolating them. We absolutely KNOW that induces increased mental health problems.
Now wipe and flush.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 09 2021, @05:57PM
Reading anything except InfoWars these days? Psychiatric problems are well known for the long covid crowd. But of course not if you just read InfoWars or some other weirdo shit.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0165178120315092 [sciencedirect.com]
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/22/health/covid-psychosis.html [nytimes.com]