I'd be interested in seeing what happens when these lenses are applied to a place where white people aren't in power. China, for example. This sounds to me like most modern racism falls out of whoever happens to be in power, so it's only an innately white problem in places like the US. In Japan, for example, this argument works precisely the same except with the native Yamato people; in China, same again, except it's Han supremacy rather than pale-Caucasian supremacy (ask the Uighurs!).
This also hints at possible solutions: since racial and economic injustice are inextricably linked, it follows that fixing the economic disparities would go a long way toward cutting down on the actual racism.
-- I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 11 2021, @03:59AM
(1 child)
by Anonymous Coward
on Sunday April 11 2021, @03:59AM (#1135916)
This applies to most any situation. The group in power (no matter their skin color) gain more than the "others" (of some other skin color) who are not in power.
That gain flows, largely, straight from simply being "in power".
But for someone wanting to find "racism" around every corner, and attempts to define anything they don't like or agree with as "racist" it is trivially easy to construct arguments for why those "in power" are racists using only that differential in "gain" that flows not from racism, but from simply being the ones "in power". And this is where the current power lies in the new woke's miss-use of racism in the manner they have been using it. They have, likely by accident, stumbled into a way to, for the most part, simply shutdown debate about any of their wants by simply labeling anything and everything that is not sucking up to their pre-ordained beliefs as racist.
It won't take long (but it will take too long as well) before their cries of "racism" will have gone the same way as "the boy who cried wolf" from the children's fable. They are so over-using the racism "shutdown debate" card that everyone who had been listening will have become numb, and it will lose all of its power when that happens. And the sad part is they will have set-back any real work to deal with any leftover racism from years ago for a significant time period in the process. Doing immense damage in the process to the goals they want to gain.
Racism is one manifestation of this power differential since the power flows often break across racial lines. This is an inevitability since there wasn't *that* much mass migration before 500 years ago or so barring cases like the Vikings and Spaniards. And outward characteristics, all out of proportion to the tiny DNA changes that produced them, tend to set people on edge. It's a very ape-like way of looking at things and people.
Sorry, but I am *not* on your side here, nor am i saying what you think or wish I was saying. Outgroups are always going to be underpowered, and race and racial characteristics have always been an excuse the ingroup uses to make an outgroup. That is racism in its simplest, easiest to understand form: creating an outgroup based on race, however it is the ingroup is defining race.
-- I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday April 10 2021, @12:12PM (3 children)
I'd be interested in seeing what happens when these lenses are applied to a place where white people aren't in power. China, for example. This sounds to me like most modern racism falls out of whoever happens to be in power, so it's only an innately white problem in places like the US. In Japan, for example, this argument works precisely the same except with the native Yamato people; in China, same again, except it's Han supremacy rather than pale-Caucasian supremacy (ask the Uighurs!).
This also hints at possible solutions: since racial and economic injustice are inextricably linked, it follows that fixing the economic disparities would go a long way toward cutting down on the actual racism.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 11 2021, @03:59AM (1 child)
This applies to most any situation. The group in power (no matter their skin color) gain more than the "others" (of some other skin color) who are not in power.
That gain flows, largely, straight from simply being "in power".
But for someone wanting to find "racism" around every corner, and attempts to define anything they don't like or agree with as "racist" it is trivially easy to construct arguments for why those "in power" are racists using only that differential in "gain" that flows not from racism, but from simply being the ones "in power". And this is where the current power lies in the new woke's miss-use of racism in the manner they have been using it. They have, likely by accident, stumbled into a way to, for the most part, simply shutdown debate about any of their wants by simply labeling anything and everything that is not sucking up to their pre-ordained beliefs as racist.
It won't take long (but it will take too long as well) before their cries of "racism" will have gone the same way as "the boy who cried wolf" from the children's fable. They are so over-using the racism "shutdown debate" card that everyone who had been listening will have become numb, and it will lose all of its power when that happens. And the sad part is they will have set-back any real work to deal with any leftover racism from years ago for a significant time period in the process. Doing immense damage in the process to the goals they want to gain.
(Score: 4, Interesting) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday April 11 2021, @04:45AM
Racism is one manifestation of this power differential since the power flows often break across racial lines. This is an inevitability since there wasn't *that* much mass migration before 500 years ago or so barring cases like the Vikings and Spaniards. And outward characteristics, all out of proportion to the tiny DNA changes that produced them, tend to set people on edge. It's a very ape-like way of looking at things and people.
Sorry, but I am *not* on your side here, nor am i saying what you think or wish I was saying. Outgroups are always going to be underpowered, and race and racial characteristics have always been an excuse the ingroup uses to make an outgroup. That is racism in its simplest, easiest to understand form: creating an outgroup based on race, however it is the ingroup is defining race.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Sunday April 11 2021, @05:59AM
No, don't! [uighur.nl] It doesn't relate
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..