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Journal by fustakrakich
Joe Manchin stands as firm as Jabel-al-Tariq
How perfect!
The Charade in DC will run until November 2022, at least
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(Score: 2, Interesting) by fustakrakich on Saturday April 10 2021, @08:41PM (6 children)
It is a very necessary prop for political theater. It provides a way to shift blame from the majority in power when they fail to pass needed legislation to get things done. So here, the democrats can continue to blame republicans as if it is their fault despite their minority status. They played the same game even more overtly during the 111th Congress in Obama's first two years. They had to, to keep universal health care *off the table* (Pelosi's words). It cost them 63 seats in congress in 2010 and made Trump possible. But to them, it's all good. The DNC/GOP continues its stranglehold on the process, and easily maintains a 98% reelection rate despite all the publicly displayed angst for the cameras, so the regular back and forth flip between the two means little to nothing.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 10 2021, @09:23PM (5 children)
If miss-used by the minority as merely a "log-jam" to prevent anything from moving downstream then yes, it does provide this, and this would be one of those miss-use aspects I spoke of.
But, if the minority does not use the filibuster, and the majority still fails to pass needed legislation to get things done, then its presence was not related to the minorities failing. This is where you have to be careful. When the majority accuses the minority of "log-jamming" the works, you have to fact-check the majority to see if the minority actually used a filibuster or not. If no filibuster was used (which should be the case in most instances, provided the rule is "must keep talking at the lectern") then the majority is just talking out their ass.
But your attitude is so typical of democrat thinking: "I want my candy, and I want it now" -- without regards to any other consequences of "getting your candy".
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Saturday April 10 2021, @09:56PM (4 children)
You make no sense. They will know when the filibuster is used when the votes are counted. And the republicans have said in so many words that they will block everything the dems propose. Stop playing games. Failure to pass falls on the majority.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 11 2021, @03:38AM (3 children)
Are you actually this stupid?
Do you even know what a filibuster is? Because if a filibuster is used, there are no votes yet counted, because the process wasn't allowed to get to a vote, because of a filibuster. That's the entire aspect of a filibuster. One or more senators keep talking, and the bill never makes it to a vote, until someone compromises somewhere (or the 65 votes [or whatever the supermajority amount] needed occur on the point of halting an ongoing filibuster.
And you believe everything a politician says? "Politician" really ought to be defined in the dictionary as: "professional liar".
Did you even read my piece on the value? The value is in causing the majority (the group with 50+1 votes) to stop and at least try to come to a compromise with the minority (the group with only 49 votes) due to the threat that the minority might use a filibuster. So naturally the minority will threaten to filibuster, that's the value add of having it as an available option. It's mere presence, and the mere threat it might be used, increases the likelihood of a compromise (note, 'likelihood', not guarantee).
As well, has there been a filibuster used yet since this congress took their seats in Jan? If the answer is no, then shut the fuck up until one actually gets deployed.
Point out where I said otherwise.
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 11 2021, @05:35PM (1 child)
Arguing with him is pointless, he is just using your comment to push his both-sides-but-dems-bad narrative. Justashill.
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 11 2021, @06:18PM
So very true.
One wonders if he is a paid shill.
And if so, who is paying, and by how much?
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Sunday April 11 2021, @06:43PM
By saying the filibuster can be useful. It is only useful to the minority, and to the majority as an excuse for failure. It is bullshit. The democrats are in the majority. All failure is on them, not the republicans. Ignore the republicans, and put the squeeze on your Joe Manchin to push through the blockage. Anybody with his power has a weak spot, use it, and quityerbellyachin"! Or you can let the republicans win back their majority, which suits your DNC just fine. It's not slowing down the money or reducing reelection rates. From their viewpoint the machine is running very smoothly. You guys are oiling and powering it.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..