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Remember that Dominion (voting systems) sued Sidney Powell for $1.3 BILLION? (See first two paragraphs of this journal article.
Concurrently, elsewhere, there is an ongoing dispute because Sidney Powell sued the Michigan governor for (OMG!) stealing the election! (This is the same duly elected governor that a group of domestic terrorists tried to kidnap and murder some months back. With the happy approval of some SN readers.)
In the Michigan case the State AG is now asking the court to sanction Powell for lying. The AG points to Powell's defense in the Dominion lawsuit against her. Powell defends herself from Dominion by saying, pharaphrased: everyone knows I am a lying liar and I go on Fox Noise and lie all the time, and so no reasonable person would have believed any or all of the lies I told.
I guess it's one thing to tell those lies on Fox, and get sued for $1.3 BILLION for doing so. It is another thing to tell those same lies in court.
These lawsuits all seem to be getting much better traction in court by presenting facts and evidence than the 60+ lawsuits filed by Trump about the election being stolen, which went through the hands of 80 judges, many Republican judges, and many "in Trump's pocket" judges.
The wheels turn slowly when there is something really there to grind on. I'm assuming SN readers might like updates on the progress.
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Dominion vs Fox News
Aside, I didn't think it worth mentioning in a journal article at the time, but since we're here, you probably all know there is yet a third lawsuit by a voting machine company. This was the $1.6 BILLION lawsuit by Dominion against Fox News. A direct link to the PDF of the complaint is here. This is 443 pages long. But don't despair! The complaint is only the first 139 pages. Which I have read, back on the day it came out. All the remaining pages are the exhibits supporting the complaint.
Dominion Voting sues Fox for $1.6B over 2020 election claims
Just bury your head in the sand and keep telling yourself the election was stolen.
Your vote is your voice. Democracy doesn't always go the way you would like it. When it doesn't, you don't have permission to try to overthrow the majority to put a minority government in power, and somehow believe that is legitimate -- while calling yourself a patriot. Four years ago democracy didn't go the way the majority of the population wanted -- but nobody tried to overthrow the government, or kidnap and murder state governors or congress members. Even if the court doesn't uphold your zero-evidence based fantasies, doesn't mean the court system is not working properly. Especially when handled by judges of your own party, and some of them appointed by the very person you are trying to forcibly put into power against the majority.
Use the soap box first. If your message is so bad that people don't agree with you at the ballot box, then maybe re-examine the message. That same advice applied to Democrats four years ago.
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Conspiracy theories make stupid people feel special to have a secret unique nugget of information.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Friday April 09 2021, @05:10PM (43 children)
It will matter to you, if someone you love gets caught in a future FBI quota.
So they're not normal and sane? Who knew?
(Score: 5, Insightful) by DannyB on Friday April 09 2021, @06:30PM (12 children)
It is inconceivable to me that anyone I know would even considder kidnapping a state governor, let alone actually setting such a plan into motion. Or storming the capitol.
Even if, there were people going to storm the capitol, I would have the good sense to stay away. Any kind of violent action isn't going to change anything. Even if I don't like it.
I'll point out that I was quite disappointed, to put it mildly, at the outcome of the election four years ago when Trump was elected by a minority of the population, but by the electoral college vote count. I didn't like it. But I didn't try to overthrow the government. Nobody I know tried or even considered trying to do such a thing.
Nobody I knew had delusional fantasies that Hillary had won and the election had been stolen from her by some unprovable conspiracy. The outcome was what it was. I didn't like it. But I took it to heart that, some way, some how, there must have been a lot of people who wanted Trump, and they happened to be in the right states to get him elected.
But it seems that in this election that Trump voters cannot accept the outcome of one of the most scrutinized elections in our history.
The lower I set my standards the more accomplishments I have.
(Score: 0, Flamebait) by khallow on Friday April 09 2021, @06:48PM (9 children)
You do realize that's not saying much.
Presently, nobody has tried to overthrow the government. Just pointing that out since that's how we got into this thread in the first place.
Sounds like you got lucky then. And/or they just didn't tell you. There was plenty [twitter.com] of "Hillary was robbed" out there.
Which isn't saying much, even if it were actually true.
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Friday April 09 2021, @07:33PM (4 children)
Now that we're down to personal insults, there is no need for me to reply further with links to information.
The lower I set my standards the more accomplishments I have.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Friday April 09 2021, @08:24PM (3 children)
Keep in mind, I'm looking for evidence not information. What evidence have you provided so far? You made a evidence-free insinuation in your journal:
A list [soylentnews.org] that happens to be irrelevant and exaggerated (chanting words, murderous intent that resulted in no murders, a gallows that you couldn't use practically for the purpose, rioting which is just rioting - using flags no less, and graffiti), but no actual attempts at kidnapping or murder. No evidence.
Empty assertions [soylentnews.org] that this is all on video. No evidence.
Asserting [soylentnews.org] that my opinion doesn't matter because it'll all get decided in court. That means incidentally, your opinion similarly wouldn't matter. So why did you give it? No evidence.
Insinuated a what if [soylentnews.org] scenario that didn't happen. And mentioned zip tie guy (who apparently wasn't even carrying his own zip ties). No evidence.
Federal judge reversed [soylentnews.org] zip tie man's bail because he allegedly threatened a reporter. Still no intent to kidnap politicians shown. No evidence.
Noting [soylentnews.org] cops were injured. Still no evidence.
The kidnapping plot [soylentnews.org] had heavy FBI involvement. So was it a militia plot or an FBI plot to kidnap the governor? No evidence.
Asserting personal feelings [soylentnews.org] that have no place as a standard of evidence. In particular, it's quite irrelevant what you can't conceive of. And of course, the about snippy remark about how you're going to stop posting "information". No evidence.
I think the fundamental problem here is that you're working from a really bad premise - GIGO. If there was an intent to kidnap or kill Pence or other politicians, then someone would have brought a lot more firepower to the conflict than baseball bats and pepper spray. As I noted, only one person was caught in the Capitol building with a firearm - which they never used. That's telling.
Similarly, the Michigan kidnapping affair has so many FBI fingerprints on it, how do we even know a crime of intent occurred rather than a staged bit of theater that caught up a bunch of gullible people? The FBI has a record of running these sorts of shows. There's no indication that they make us safer.
So I guess I'll finish with your same statement that started this whole mess:
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Friday April 09 2021, @09:32PM (2 children)
I get it. You don't believe there is any evidence.
We'll see how it plays out in court.
People believe the election was stolen.
People believe the earth is flat.
The lower I set my standards the more accomplishments I have.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday April 10 2021, @02:51AM
Evidence distinguishes between hypotheses. How does entrapment by the FBI look different from honest criminal activity?
(Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday April 10 2021, @03:15AM
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 09 2021, @07:45PM (3 children)
Just because the idiots thought they were in the right and chanted "stop the steal" does not make it so. Committing crimes, even if done for supposedly good reasons, does not excuse those crimes.
"But sir, I thought he was a murderous bastard that killed ten thousand women and children!"
"But he wasn't. So to jail with you!"
Trying to discuss anything with you MAGAs is like dealing with spoiled children who just don't want to face the music.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Friday April 09 2021, @08:30PM (2 children)
Indeed. But that's part of the point. These crimes would be seen in a far more generous light if everyone here agreed with the premise that the election was rigged. They had an important responsibility to confirm the alleged wrongdoing before they stormed the capitol. The fact that most of those dozens of lawsuits were tossed in days, some by Trump appointees, should have been telling.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 10 2021, @12:30AM (1 child)
Gee ya think? However with zero evidence and the lie being told by a verified team of liars and criminals you don't get to hide behind good intentions. Good news, I doubt a single one of the insurrectionists will get the death penalty which is more than we can say for BLM protesters that were murdered by your proud bois.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday April 10 2021, @03:23AM
The standard I think should be reasonable people. That didn't happen here, obviously.
Sounds like your proud bois will see justice too. I'm not seeing the point to your post. Why should the January 6 protesters get the death penalty? What are they supposed to have done to deserve that? Treason? Murder? Graffiti in the Capitol?
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Monday April 12 2021, @07:22PM (1 child)
For most of mankind's history, history was written with the sword, the spear, and the arrow. Since then, we've been writing with firearms of various calibers, bombs, missiles, rockets, and nuclear weapons.
People need to think about that when they make claims that "violence never solves anything".
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Monday April 12 2021, @09:48PM
That is really a very sad but true point.
The lower I set my standards the more accomplishments I have.
(Score: 1, Flamebait) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday April 10 2021, @12:05PM (29 children)
You seem very...very...*very* concerned about the FBI and "secret police." Is there something you'd like to share with the class, Mr. Hallow? If we get our hands on the Gab and/or Parler leaks, will we find that you were going along with all this stupidity and the only reason you weren't right there with the mob on 6 January is you're too cowardly and weak to actually do anything more than run your mouth? :) Hmm...
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday April 10 2021, @12:58PM (28 children)
Of course, I am. Sounds like you are too. After all, why are you trying to immigrate into Canada? Because certain scary people might come to power and use groups like the FBI and the "secret police" to destroy your life.
For starters, you run your mouth more than I do.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday April 10 2021, @02:06PM (25 children)
So much deflection :) So much whataboutism. So much you're telling me without actually saying it outright.
As to why I'm going to Canada? Simple: I see the writing on the wall. It's economic collapse I fear more than any secret police though. The only thing I've done "wrong" is to be gay, and I reckon we're a little ways away from having Handmaiden's Tale-style "gender treason" just yet. No, we're more likely to turn into a cross between Idiocracy and Mad Max.
And yet, you seem to ass-ume that I'm scared of the same things you are. Why is this? It's very revealing. What will I find, Mr. Hallow, when I go through your Gab posts...?
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday April 10 2021, @02:22PM (24 children)
And so much projection.
Doesn't sound like you're listening.
I got fixes to that should you ever bother to listen. Economic collapse is unlikely in a healthy economy, but you need to want it first. Secret police can happen even in a good economy though.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday April 10 2021, @02:34PM (23 children)
See, stuff like this is why I keep saying you're a psychopath: you *do* *not* *get* how to carry on a normal conversation with another human being, and even when that human being specifically points out how you're being not just creepy as hell but oversharing without meaning to, you just keeeeeep doing iiiiiiit.
Something is not wired right in that weird little skull of yours, Mr. Hallow. So what will I find when I go through the datadump, here...?
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2, Informative) by khallow on Saturday April 10 2021, @03:00PM (22 children)
How dare someone disagree? They must be a psychopath!
This never was a normal conversation. In normal conversations, I don't have the other person making up fairy tales and diagnosing imaginary mental illnesses.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday April 10 2021, @04:06PM (21 children)
Nice try, Mr. Hallow, but the collated output of years of experiences with you on this forum points to something being very, very wrong with your thinkmeats.
You give off the textual impression of "the crazy eyes." You know, someone who doesn't connect when they meet your gaze, has their eyes open a teensy bit too wide, and gives you the distinct feeling he (it's always a guy!) is casually thinking of how to go about vivisecting you without even meaning to but rather as a sort of reflex or default-mode behavior? That kind of impression.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 0, Flamebait) by khallow on Saturday April 10 2021, @05:07PM (12 children)
Years of experience you can never express except in the vaguest sense. Let us note the following exchange [soylentnews.org]:
Notice the pretense in this exchange. You pretend to not understand why police states and FBI abuses are bad, then claim with fake certainty that there is "whataboutism" in my reply. If you really had these years of experience, you wouldn't still have your antenna out sniffing for thoughtcrime.
It's just a ridiculous case of confirmation bias. Ridiculous because you've already completely ad hominemed me - evil, going to hell, conservative, whatever. At this point, what I believe shouldn't matter to you. But yet here you are sniffing, trying to find even more reasons to discount me. Well, maybe that indicates that somewhere in all that madness, there's a sane part that realizes what bullshit this all is - that inventing a bunch of fake reasons doesn't make me wrong.
I'm patient. Maybe we'll see next time what you really believe.
(Score: 1, Flamebait) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday April 11 2021, @03:17AM (11 children)
You seem to have some serious reading comprehension issues...
I know very well why secret police are a bad thing, because I do this thing called reading and this other thing called thinking.
The incongruity here, though, is that you yourself are a conservative, "law and order" type. Of necessity, both normal and "secret police" are the same way; you and the law-enforcement apparatus SHOULD be natural allies. Someone as traditionally conservative and law-and-order as you are has absolutely no reason to be this frightened of law enforcement, which leads me to believe that there is a disconnect between your public face and your private plans.
Specifically, you place an absolutely bizarre emphasis on not wanting "them" coming after you, personally, as things are here and now...but for what? This isn't just some generic opposition to "secret police." You very clearly believe you have something to hide, something recent and topical.
My own suspicion here is along the lines of "Hallow doesn't actually have a problem with injustice in the law-enforcement milieu, he's just scared that the status quo is slowly shifting away from what he thinks it should be and that the "sekrit polees omg!" are no longer implicitly on his side." Basically, that they're "hurting the wrong people," as a very revealing Trumpie-lady said...! :D
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday April 11 2021, @05:27AM (10 children)
Where in the world did you get the idea that I was a "law and order" type? It certainly wasn't from reading my stuff, much less thinking about it! And I'm not conservative. Just throwing that out since people get it wrong so much.
For example, my last journal, which you posted in several times, was about the Floyd killing which was an abuse of power by the police. If I were truly "law and order", Floyd definitely would fall on the unlawful and disorderly side. Yet I sided with him over the police.
Similarly, I'm not conservative. Admittedly in US politics there are two groups heaped into the conservative label: social conservative and fiscal conservatives. I've very liberal socially. And very liberal economically. So not seeing the point.
There's something wrong with the narrative.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday April 11 2021, @05:52AM (9 children)
Don't conflate economic and political/social liberalism. Socially you're slightly right of center at best. Economically you're extreme far-right (laissez-faire). In a word, "libertarian."
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday April 11 2021, @06:07AM
Perhaps you should do that read and think thing you were talking about. I don't do that conflation.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday April 11 2021, @06:12AM (7 children)
"Far right" economically here doesn't mean conservative, let us note. It doesn't even mean far right.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Monday April 12 2021, @12:28AM (6 children)
You're doing the thing. The I said not to do. Conflating the social and economic axes. Economically speaking, far left is Communism, centrally-planned economics. Far right is extreme laissez-faire.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 1) by khallow on Monday April 12 2021, @03:58AM (4 children)
Not in the least. I don't even mention the social axis, much less conflate it.
Which makes little sense, since there's nothing far left or right about those things. For example, markets and centrally-planned economies have been around for thousands of years. Anywhere there's organized trade, there's a market. And most empires have some sort of centrally planned economy as part of the package, even if they lack the power or competence to do it successfully ("all roads lead to Rome" for example).
(Score: 1, Flamebait) by Azuma Hazuki on Monday April 12 2021, @06:37AM (3 children)
Are you learning-disabled? I'm not asking this to be rude or mean, I'm genuinely wondering if you have some sort of information processing disability. Very little of what people say seems to be understood by you.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 1) by khallow on Monday April 12 2021, @07:39AM
Funny how you follow that up with [soylentnews.org]:
Funny how you claim over and over that you got me figured out and then you ask this. It indicate to me (and should indicate to you as well) that your claims are flawed. I'll note also that there have been at least three such diagnoses over the years: autism, psychopathy, and information processing disability. Let's move on.
The problem here is that labels aren't truth. What you assert as far right or far left in economics isn't right or left. Maybe it made sense in revolutionary France or some time in the screwed up world of political correctness, but that time is gone. This is one reason I rarely use the terms "left" and "right" (usually in response to someone else who uses those terms).
And most of the ideas have been around a while making identification as conservative or not rather weak. For example, the idea that a government should be held to fiscal constraints (such as living within a budget) is a newer idea than the idea that the government should be helping poor people. Yet it is traditionally considered more conservative than the latter.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 12 2021, @06:02PM
Ooooh downmod brigade found azuma and hollow's little spat! Down with lefty amirite bois???
(Score: 2, Touché) by Runaway1956 on Monday April 12 2021, @07:24PM
You just don't get tired of the batfucking crazy shit.
(Score: 2) by FatPhil on Tuesday April 13 2021, @06:36AM
Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people; the smallest discuss themselves
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 10 2021, @07:00PM (7 children)
Yeah, you are not giving off the impression of being the reasonable one in this exchange. In fact, you are exuding toxicity. Years of combative online discourse have taken their toll. You give off the textual impression of a "thousand yard stare," online PTSD if you will.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday April 10 2021, @09:00PM (4 children)
"Combative online discourse" such as with you and Azuma, hmmm?
For those who might be on the fence, what in the world could I do on my side to improve the dialogue? Azuma has already completely written me off as an irredeemable psychopath. I can't improve that situation. Here, there's just some vague concern that I'm losing the newsroom [soylentnews.org].
I can't work with any of that.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 11 2021, @01:05AM (1 child)
Irredeemable is the key word. Cancel culture demands that the cancelled disappear off the face of the planet. There is no path to redemption. Suicide is the preferred method of disappearance. In your case, your pseudonym just has to go away.
Azuma might not want you to disappear if she can continue to mock you relentlessly. No redemption either way.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 12 2021, @08:41PM
Funny, I prefer the Allied method: Blockbusters and B-29's.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 13 2021, @02:07AM (1 child)
No one can productively discuss anything with someone who willfully ignores data because they've pre-judged it to be bullshit. The fault is your own, the evidence you keep clamoring about has occurred so often that you should have them lurking in your memory somewhere.
No one is going to spend hours and hours building up a portfolio of your issues which you will casually toss aside with some vague bullshit. Good luck pal!
(Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday April 13 2021, @04:15PM
So no evidence, huh?
Because that's happened before? Where?
Sorry, rational, good faith debate is hard and time consuming.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday April 11 2021, @03:20AM (1 child)
Tone trolling again...how utterly boring. Focus on what someone is saying, not how they're saying it. Or, as is popular with your kind, "facts don't care about your feelings."
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 11 2021, @04:41AM
In your case, you invent the tone out of thin air, then troll. Straw trolling. No substance, very boring. Get tone trolled, bitch.
(Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 11 2021, @12:12AM (1 child)
To be fair, running your mouth less than Azuma is like being able to not win an Olympic marathon.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday April 11 2021, @03:31AM
Glad to know I'm bothering you, snowflake :) If it chaps your fat basement-dwelling Hot-Pocket-snarfing ass so much, *leave.* Freeze peach!
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...