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US colleges will require students to be vaccinated, despite state policies:
A growing number of US colleges have said all students must be fully vaccinated before returning to campus, in a move likely to anger some state governors. At least 14 colleges have said vaccination will be required so far, according to a CNN tally, and that number is expected to grow.
In late March Rutgers University became one of the first institutions to declare that having all students vaccinated will allow for an "expedited return to pre-pandemic normal."
Cornell, Brown, Notre Dame, Northeastern, Syracuse, Ithaca and Fort Lewis have made similar announcements, though all will make exceptions for medical or religious reasons. Cornell has also created an online registration tool so students and staff can register their vaccination status.
Two colleges, St. Edward's University in Austin, Texas, and Nova Southeastern University (NSU) in Broward, Florida, have gone a step further, requiring students and all campus employees to be vaccinated.
NSU's policy puts it on a collision course with Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis. After NSU's announcement on April 1 DeSantis signed an executive order stating that vaccines are available but not mandated. Crucially the order prohibits any government entity or business from requiring a vaccine passport. NSU said Thursday that it is reviewing the executive order.
(Score: 5, Interesting) by DannyB on Monday April 12 2021, @01:31PM (36 children)
What doesn't make sense: Open everything up AND NOT require vaccinations.
What does make sense:
EITHER:
(1) open everything up and require vaccinations
(2) keep everything closed and don't require vaccinations
In case (1), you get the economy going. People who don't want a vaccination don't have to get one, but they can stay home to keep everyone else safe.
If the governor were to implement (1), the population might achieve some level of herd immunity. The non-vaccinated could venture out of their homes. They might not get sick. They wouldn't represent much danger to the majority who are vaccinated.
The anti vax hysteria didn't stop, it just died down.
(Score: 0, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 12 2021, @02:04PM (16 children)
The problem is you need an ID to get the vaccine and this affects minorities far more than whites.
Millions of Americans Lack ID. 11% of U.S. citizens – or more than 21 million Americans – do not have government-issued photo identification.
Obtaining ID Costs Money. Even if ID is offered for free, people must incur numerous costs (such as paying for birth certificates) to apply for a government-issued ID. Underlying documents required to obtain ID cost money, a significant expense for lower-income Americans. The combined cost of document fees, travel expenses and waiting time are estimated to range from $75 to $175.
The travel required is often a major burden on people with disabilities, the elderly, or those in rural areas without access to a car or public transportation. In Texas, some people in rural areas must travel approximately 170 miles to reach the nearest ID office.
This vaccination requirement is effectively excluding millions of minorities from attending college.
(Score: 3, Informative) by DannyB on Monday April 12 2021, @02:27PM (11 children)
I don't know of any specific instance you might be referring to.
Where I live, it is possible to get vaccinated with or without insurance. I am to get my 2nd dose tomorrow. I learned that they are handing out covid-19 pre-paid test kits like halloween candy. When you get 2nd dose they ask if you want a test kit. Stated reason: they want to get them out into the community. Kit has prepaid mailer and online code to get results. Use the test yourself or give it to someone else to use.
The anti vax hysteria didn't stop, it just died down.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 12 2021, @02:32PM (10 children)
No one mentioned insurance. You need to have an ID to get vaccinated.
No one mentioned tests either.
Let me guess, you are rich and white and trying to deflect from your privilege by avoiding the ID issue.
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Monday April 12 2021, @02:36PM (4 children)
Honestly, I do not remember if I had to show ID at any point or not. I guess I might find out tomorrow when I get 2nd dose.
Registration for the 1st (and 2nd) does was done totally online. A time slot is given to you. It is drive through. Don't even get out of your car.
The anti vax hysteria didn't stop, it just died down.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 12 2021, @02:47PM (1 child)
Because you have an ID and do not realize your privilege.
People without IDs will notice, because they need to verify you are eligible and not getting paid to get vaccinated for someone.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 13 2021, @12:33AM
It is because the requirements are different in different places. In the state where my brother lives, anyone can get a shot that is old enough, and all you have to do for that is sign something that says you are old enough to receive the vaccine. Where my uncle lives, you need some proof of age, but it includes things like photocopies of birth certificates. Other places have residency requirements, etc. Here, you have to have evidence you are in one of the allowed phases. That is what you get when you have a hodgepodge approach, where some places even let the individual pharmacies come up with their own rules.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 12 2021, @03:12PM
(Score: 2) by Pino P on Tuesday April 13 2021, @01:51AM
Indiana Department of Health states that proof of age is required, as only ages 16 and up are eligible for the Pfizer vaccine, and only ages 18 and up are eligible for the Moderna and Janssen vaccines. See the teen vaccine fact sheet [in.gov].
(Score: 4, Informative) by EvilSS on Monday April 12 2021, @02:56PM (4 children)
I didn't. Filled out a form, got shot, left. They did not ask for ID. Even for places with ID requirements, many do not require a state issued ID, just proof of residency such as a bill with your name and address on it. For undocumented migrants, exceptions are also being made on a state by state basis as well.
So stop concern trolling. No on believes you actually give a shit.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 12 2021, @04:50PM (3 children)
So wherever you live I can have an ineligible person pay me to use my info to get the jab? Then I get the vaccine passport record without the jab and I get money?
(Score: 2) by EvilSS on Monday April 12 2021, @06:05PM (2 children)
Seems like a weird thing to do at this point since both where I live and the closest neighboring state are allowing anyone over 16 to get one but sure, if you can find a sucker to pay you it would work. You could also let them go vote for you using the same scheme as well if you're down for that. Heck, you could even rent them your Netflix account too. Have a blast, get creative.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 12 2021, @06:31PM (1 child)
Lol, more privileged white rich folk logic. This is what real people need to deal with:
https://www.businessinsider.co.za/st-vincent-volcano-cruise-ship-evacuation-only-for-vaccinated-2021-4 [businessinsider.co.za]
(Score: 2) by EvilSS on Tuesday April 13 2021, @11:27AM
I'll take your word for it. After all, it was your logic, not mine.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 12 2021, @02:29PM (1 child)
Let me guess, whoever downvoted this is white.
Or maybe rich, which made you act white.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 13 2021, @01:56AM
White is the new Wong!
bad joke, but given likely economic outcomes maybe not far off, and good news the Chinese can be pretty xenophobic, so for everyone but white folks things will probably seem pretty normal!
(Score: 2) by shortscreen on Monday April 12 2021, @09:13PM
Who do you imagine occupying the overlap on the venn diagram containing "people who can afford college in the USA or can jump through enough hoops to get a paid scholarship" and "people with insurmountable difficulties obtaining ID" ? I don't think any such people exist. Even if there were, why is the school's vaccine policy the problem and not the vaccination ID policy?
Maybe this was just a parody of the dem position on voter ID. In that case, carry on :)
(Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday April 13 2021, @06:11PM
Last I heard, you need a bunch of muscle that the vaccines can be injected into, usually your upper arm.
(Score: 2) by Immerman on Monday April 12 2021, @02:37PM (15 children)
What's wrong with
3) Wait until everyone who wants a vaccination gets it, then open everything up and let the un-vaccinated die in droves? Just make sure to give the hospitals permission to refuse COVID treatment to the unvaccinated as needed to keep services available to the rest of the population. And decide where to dig the mass graves now.
Why should we keep to country locked down to protect people who don't want the protection?
As for requiring vaccinations it would be a tidy solution to the problem, but sets some really terrible precedent for bodily autonomy. If the government can require you to get vaccinated, what's stopping them from requiring you to get your monthly dose of "I Love Big Brother" obedience cocktail? We haven't developed such a cocktail yet, but not for lack of trying.
(Score: 2, Troll) by DannyB on Monday April 12 2021, @02:57PM (9 children)
I don't think it's that simple. Vaccination is not a 100% guarantee. I don't mind the un-vaccinated dying in droves, as long as they made an informed decision about that. They have no right to put other people at risk because of their self destructive tendencies.
Whether it makes me a bad person or not, I have to admit having some sympathy for the view of de-prioritizing individuals for COVID-19 treatment at hospitals, who have willfully put other individuals at risk, and have themselves become sick in doing so.
I have to agree with that.
So rather than require people to get them, simply restrict un-vaccinated individuals from things that put other people at risk.
It can be done. My wife and I have not set foot into a store or restaurant in well over a year. We have groceries delivered to our door. We use the Target app to order stuff for pick up -- drive to store, use App to say "I'm here", they bring it out to your car and load it in trunk or hatchback -- all without rolling down windows or being maskless. We didn't do anything with anyone last Thanksgiving or Christmas. It truly
sucksbites. Wife made us a nice thanksgiving spread, which we enjoyed, and had lefovers for many days. I took some good thanksgiving leftovers that day to a friend who lives alone and is similarly isolated and careful.We lived through 2020.
The anti vax hysteria didn't stop, it just died down.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 12 2021, @03:19PM (7 children)
No, it is the "other people" who have no right to invent improbable "risks" to justify their doing actual material harm to people.
You carry around a few kilograms of bacteria and viruses. Any one of those trillions cells and particles is potentially deadly for someone whose immune system does not do its work. Let's seal you into a hermetic can for the rest of your life to prevent that horrible possibility, shall we?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_microbiome [wikipedia.org]
https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/nih-human-microbiome-project-defines-normal-bacterial-makeup-body [nih.gov]
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Monday April 12 2021, @04:54PM (3 children)
Thank you for your opinion. I'll listen to the medical people.
The anti vax hysteria didn't stop, it just died down.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 12 2021, @05:34PM (2 children)
Aren't the medical people, at the moment, all saying that vaccination totally protects you from severe COVID? Who you are listening to, to hear the opposite instead, pray tell?
(Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday April 13 2021, @06:12PM
Nope. Any more questions?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 13 2021, @07:07PM
An increasing number of people are dying of COVID after being fully vaccinated and beyond the 2 week period where immunity is supposed to kick in. These vaccines are more like flu shots. They provide temporary resistance, not immunity, and will likely need to be repeated each year - indefinitely. And even after taking your shot you can still catch COVID, and even die from it. The goal of the shot has gone from immunity (as was initially claimed before they were granted emergency use authorization) to simply reducing severe outcomes.
(Score: 3, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 12 2021, @05:15PM (2 children)
The "improbable risk" to which you refer has killed nearly 3 million people worldwide.
(Score: 0, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 12 2021, @05:28PM
All of whom vaccinated against COVID?
Bad liar, no cookie for you.
BTW, 3 million is how many die from communicable lower respiratory tract disease (aka pneumonia) in any regular year.
https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/the-top-10-causes-of-death [who.int]
And if you start counting every death with something as a death from that something, then the deadliest thing in the world is the Escherichia coli bacterium; literally everyone who died, carried a lot of it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escherichia_coli [wikipedia.org]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 12 2021, @06:34PM
Which, even with funny math Covid counts, makes it an improbable risk of 0.037%.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Immerman on Monday April 12 2021, @03:54PM
>It can be done. My wife and I...
Good on you. I've done much the same. But the landscape is changing rapidly. We locked down to buy time for a vaccine to be developed. And we did so. We won - or will have within a few months. Once everyone willing has been vaccinated we will be as close to total victory over this pandemic as it's reasonably possible to get.
> They have no right to put other people at risk because of their self destructive tendencies.
Unfortunately I don't see any other option.
With herd immunity not being an option, it's pretty inevitable that virtually everyone who's not immune will eventually catch COVID. The only question is just how quickly that happens. How many people do you know who've *never* caught a cold? And colds are mostly far less contagious.
Once you accept that as the unavoidable reality it dramatically changes the risk-analysis landscape. There's nothing left for us to do to significantly improve your odds of never catching COVID. Should we continue with this insanely expensive lockdown forever, in order to grant the involuntarily vulnerable a few more healthy months?
At least with a single massive surge those who can't get vaccinated for medical reasons, and those who remain concerned, can hope to isolate themselves for a few months until it's over. Continuing public precautions indefinitely could draw this out for years.
And by de-prioritizing medical care for voluntarily unvaccinated individuals we can ensure that there are resources available for those who became ill through bad luck rather than choice.
That said, I fully support private companies that choose to protect their employees by requiring customers to remain masked. I'd even consider keeping mask mandates in place for essential services like grocery stores that the vulnerable can't entirely avoid.
All the voluntary stuff though? Open it up. Let those who wish to live riskily do so. Maybe keep the augmented unemployment support going until the surge has petered out, so that we're not forcing people back into high-risk situations.
(Score: 2) by EvilSS on Monday April 12 2021, @03:17PM (2 children)
Not that it really matters all that much. Brazil has gone full tilt stupid and are reducing restrictions while infections (including their very own strain, thanks!) and deaths are skyrocketing. The deaths rate is particularly high in Brazil right now. They should pass up the US death toll sometime in June at the rate they are going right now. India is also seeing skyrocketing cases and deaths now as well, which is interesting since they were fairing well previously considering their population size and density.
(Score: 2) by Immerman on Monday April 12 2021, @04:01PM (1 child)
> I'd like to get off the damn merry go round already.
Me too. Unfortunately that's not an option unless we achieve herd immunity, which is looking to be impossible without allowing the government to mandate medical procedures.
So, do we open up, trusting the vaccines to hopefully avoid the worst outcomes even among the resistant variants? Or do we stay in lockdown forever?
(Score: 2) by EvilSS on Monday April 12 2021, @06:15PM
(Score: 2) by Tork on Monday April 12 2021, @06:39PM
Think of the effect that'll have on Thanksgivings across the nation.
Slashdolt Logic: "25 year old jokes about sharks and lasers are +5, Funny." 💩
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 12 2021, @09:30PM
i can't wait for you people to reveal yourselves and watch what really happens from trying to deny people their basic access to food, etc. You communists' bitches are going to get stacked like trash.
(Score: 2) by shortscreen on Monday April 12 2021, @09:58PM (2 children)
Whatever unconventional theory of logic underpins this post bears further exploration. If requiring vaccination means the non-vax'd aren't a danger to the vax'd, how is that different than not requiring it? Does it affect whether the vax'd are a danger to the un-vax'd? If the way for you to stay safe is for other people to stay home, then what would be the result of you staying home? Were old people given vaccinations first to keep other people safe or because they stayed home too much or because they didn't stay home enough? Feel free to organize your response in the form of a truth table if it would be more expedient than prose.
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Tuesday April 13 2021, @01:54PM (1 child)
The people who get vaccinated, which appear to be the vast majority, are the ones who should not have to stay home. That's the whole reason to get vaccinated.
Anyone who stays home and isolates seems to be someone who isn't in great need of vaccination, since they have either eliminated or severely reduced their exposure.
People getting vaccinated are doing so for the purpose of being able to go out again.
So in what possible way does it make sense for unvaccinated people go to out and vaccinated people to stay home?
The anti vax hysteria didn't stop, it just died down.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 13 2021, @06:44PM
You again miss the most obvious issue here - liberty. How people are going to evaluate the pros and cons of the vaccines is going to vary radically, even when they have the exact same mindset on it. For instance COVID for those under the age of 65 is basically harmless in terms of mortality. The vaccines, by contrast, have already shown themselves to have a surprising and lethal short term side effect. And what are the long-term side effects? Well nobody will knows for what may be years, if there are any.
So for a person of advanced age, vaccine is bordering a no-brainer. COVID is fairly dangerous, the vaccines seem safe 'enough', and any potential long-term side effects have relatively relevance to you. But for a young and healthy person? COVID is not much of a danger, and so participating in the vaccine experiment does not really offer them much. Even if they believe the risk of negative effects of the vaccine are low, this is contrasted against the fact that the risks from COVID are not only low - but there is also they possibility that they may never catch it, and if they do catch it - they would most likely be asymptomatic anyhow.
How you personally measure and evaluate the pros and cons will lead you to a personal decision. And in free states you now have the *liberty* to execute that decision. Want to get vaccinated? Want to go out in public? Want to do both, neither, or any combination of such? You have the liberty to do so. In authoritarian states, the government tells you what to do and you must obey, or they will resort to force. As I expect you an older person, you would probably prefer the authoritarian choice because it aligns with your own interests. COVID vaccination does not prevent spread, though it does help to reduce it. And so because vaccination is in your interests, you presumably want to do everything you can to force everybody else to be vaccinated. But in my opinion, such a worldview is myopic. You will rapidly change your tune when you find the same authoritarian systems carry out actions where you are the one who ends up being harmed.