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US colleges will require students to be vaccinated, despite state policies:
A growing number of US colleges have said all students must be fully vaccinated before returning to campus, in a move likely to anger some state governors. At least 14 colleges have said vaccination will be required so far, according to a CNN tally, and that number is expected to grow.
In late March Rutgers University became one of the first institutions to declare that having all students vaccinated will allow for an "expedited return to pre-pandemic normal."
Cornell, Brown, Notre Dame, Northeastern, Syracuse, Ithaca and Fort Lewis have made similar announcements, though all will make exceptions for medical or religious reasons. Cornell has also created an online registration tool so students and staff can register their vaccination status.
Two colleges, St. Edward's University in Austin, Texas, and Nova Southeastern University (NSU) in Broward, Florida, have gone a step further, requiring students and all campus employees to be vaccinated.
NSU's policy puts it on a collision course with Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis. After NSU's announcement on April 1 DeSantis signed an executive order stating that vaccines are available but not mandated. Crucially the order prohibits any government entity or business from requiring a vaccine passport. NSU said Thursday that it is reviewing the executive order.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by DannyB on Monday April 12 2021, @01:47PM (28 children)
Any business, organization or private citizen who is on privately owned property can refuse entry to unvaccinated (or un-masked) persons as they see fit.
It is so amusing to see defenders of private property rights and no tresspassing argue that private property owners cannot control who comes on to their property. The people who argue this are also the ones who utter the mantra: "corporations are people too!"
Then they do an about face when someone who does any combination of:
1. not wearing a mask
2. not wearing clothes
3. defecating and/or urinating in the store aisles
4. being generally obnoxious
5. doing other extremely bad things [youtube.com] to get banned from ALL Walmarts for life
6. or (OMG!) worst of all: tobacco use!
They'll defend the above group of people's "right" to trespass after being asked to leave.
The script usually goes like this:
Obnoxious person:
* But there isn't a law . . .
* I have a right to do what I want even if it interferes with other people's rights!
* The laws and certainly not norms of common decency or courtesy do not apply to me!
They they love to distort things with a proclamation such as: I was arrested and tazed for not wearing a mask!
No. It went like this:
1. You were not wearing a mask, so you were asked to leave.
2. By not leaving, and remaining an arguing, you committed criminal trespass
3. You were arrested for criminal trespass
4. Your resisting arrest is why you were tazed
5. Your assault on officer(s) and/or store personnel helped you score an additional felony charge
Why can't people behave in a civilized society? What has happened to people behaving normally and kindly? Why are the people who misbehave this way so generally loud and obnoxious? What has happened to them in their life to make them this way?
It seems like the above would apply to a university as well. A governor can executive order what he wants. But how can he order a private land owner (a non-state university) to do unhealthy and unsafe things that clearly go against medical consensus?
The anti vax hysteria didn't stop, it just died down.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by driverless on Monday April 12 2021, @02:28PM (8 children)
And, from another point of view, the ones who are most violently opposed to the gummint telling them what to do, and even willing to take up arms to oppose it as they constantly remind us, are quite happy when it's the gummint telling others what to do. Will they take up arms to defend the colleges' right to require vaccinations?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 12 2021, @02:35PM (5 children)
As soon as said colleges stop taking government money?
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Monday April 12 2021, @02:40PM (4 children)
Education is worth doing.
If you think education is expensive, try ignorance. Oh, wait. I think we already are trying it.
How about the government working to, or helping others to make education affordable so it might be unnecessary to require government money.
The anti vax hysteria didn't stop, it just died down.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 12 2021, @02:44PM (3 children)
And won't it be downright hilarious when ignorance turns out to work better than the current brand of education, in the end?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 12 2021, @06:01PM
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 12 2021, @07:35PM
"current brand of education"
I see someone gets their talking points from rightwing pundits that prefer having you remain stupid and easily manipulated. Have you tried Joe Rogan? It is GOOP for men!
(Score: 0, Flamebait) by Anti-aristarchus on Tuesday April 13 2021, @07:40AM
Exhibit A: The Minty Buzzard
Exhibit B: the Ignorant Hillbilly Runaway.
This is the fantasy associated with the Dunning-Kreuger Effect, the idea that Stupidity and Ignorance, and Trump, are just as good as education, scholarship, knowledge, and wisdom. But that is the Effect: they are not. Stupidity is stupid, ignorance produces Runaway1956's, and The Buzzard, not so Mighty, when you look at what he claims is true, with his limited intellect.
Not to say that Ignorance is not sometimes the best policy. But choosing ignorance, in total ignorance, never works out for anyone. Careful, AC!
(Score: 4, Interesting) by Tork on Monday April 12 2021, @06:42PM
Hmm well it's hard to say. They did get their guns out over haircuts during a pandemic... but not when police murdered unarmed people. It's a flip of the coin, I reckon.
Slashdolt Logic: "25 year old jokes about sharks and lasers are +5, Funny." 💩
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 12 2021, @09:58PM
You mean the ones who have been trying to tell women what they can and can't do with their bodies for decades, the ones who currently have sponsored almost 200 state laws meant to interfere and prevent transgendered people from getting healthcare, but who are also the ones crying "you can't tell me what to do with my body!"??
The republican party is one big group of the whiniest pussies in history. The kind of kid who screams and bullies the loudest, but the slightest rebuttal sends them crying home to mommy. Following all the nasty invectives, remember how shocked and butthurt they were when they were called a basket of deplorables? The outrage! Mommy, they are so mean! They are nothing but a huge group of two year olds complete with all the accompanying Karen tantrums when told they can't have their way. I've never seen such a group so scared of EVERYTHING that they're now sheltering with the white nationalists because they need anyone who will tell them that they'll protect them from all the big scary monsters out there. Liz Cheney has more integrity and, yes, BALLS, than almost every other republican in Washington, and that is a really sad statement when she is the one who is seen as the outcast for being too "centrist."
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 12 2021, @02:42PM (12 children)
Because the "society where I use any government-approved pretext to harm and humiliate my neighbor" is an antithesis of civilized?
I understand that living in crowded cities makes human beings hate everyone including themselves. I do not understand why you equate this mental illness and civilization.
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Monday April 12 2021, @03:02PM (1 child)
Two counter points:
0. I live in a medium sized city and don't have everyone around me.
1. My observation is that people who normally don't live in the city are the ones who venture in to the city to so loudly proclaim their rights but have zero concern about anyone else around them. Maybe that is just a stereotype. I'm not immune from that.
The anti vax hysteria didn't stop, it just died down.
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Monday April 12 2021, @03:02PM
Typo: don't hate everyone around me
The anti vax hysteria didn't stop, it just died down.
(Score: 2) by Tork on Monday April 12 2021, @03:51PM (9 children)
Slashdolt Logic: "25 year old jokes about sharks and lasers are +5, Funny." 💩
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 12 2021, @04:43PM (8 children)
What answer you need? When you want to harm people, but are too cowardly to go and beat up someone, and so wait for government to designate safe targets for you? It is not "civilized", dude, you delude yourself. "Fascist" is what it is.
Das Dritte Reich designated Jews and Slavs as "Untermenschen", for the cowardly followers to have their safe fun. The fun turned out not to be that safe in the end, but some tens of millions did not live to see the fun-loving guys and gals receive their just desserts. Now your Leaders designate "ableists", "denialists" etc for your safe fun and you run with it. Who wants to study that pesky history, indeed?
(Score: 2) by Tork on Monday April 12 2021, @05:07PM (7 children)
Slashdolt Logic: "25 year old jokes about sharks and lasers are +5, Funny." 💩
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 12 2021, @05:15PM (6 children)
When your script fails to give an usable retort, do you generate random strings on your phone?
(Score: 2) by Tork on Monday April 12 2021, @05:28PM (5 children)
Slashdolt Logic: "25 year old jokes about sharks and lasers are +5, Funny." 💩
(Score: 0, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 12 2021, @05:37PM (4 children)
The default line in the script triggered. Pity.
(Score: 2) by Tork on Monday April 12 2021, @05:58PM (3 children)
Slashdolt Logic: "25 year old jokes about sharks and lasers are +5, Funny." 💩
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 12 2021, @06:49PM (2 children)
Problem is, the sense of entitlement to lord it over others is an irreparable defect.
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 12 2021, @07:43PM
Can you tell the rest of the Republicans?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 13 2021, @07:49AM
Actual competence and knowledge absolutely gives authority over the very really stupid people following Rupert Murdock and his Merry Australian Right-wing Tory agenda. America? Ruled by Auzzie proxies of the Royal British Empire? Never thought I would see it. Yes, we will lord it over your deplorable Stupidity, get used to it.
(Score: 2) by darkfeline on Monday April 12 2021, @08:33PM
First, many educational institutions receive a significant amount of funding from the government, even if indirectly through student loans.
Second, private institutions cannot discriminate against protected classes. Protected classes include disabilities and medical history, such as those that might prevent one from getting vaccinated.
Third, an individual's medical records receive strong privacy protections in the US. I don't think these colleges realize that they don't want to be taking on that responsibility.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 12 2021, @09:50PM (4 children)
"Any business, organization or private citizen who is on privately owned property can refuse entry to unvaccinated (or un-masked) persons as they see fit."
So it's ok to discriminate against people who don't do what you think they should do with their bodies(vaccinate), but not ok to discriminate against people who don't do what i think they should do with their bodies (homosexual cake baking and what not). I don't actually care about that, i'm just pointing out your obvious stupidity/hypocrisy. Don't give me your bullshit about how i'm killing people indirectly via nature by not "vaccinating" either.That's sooo lame.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Tuesday April 13 2021, @11:52AM (3 children)
Big difference here: the vax-refusers are harming people, while for example me and my girlfriend aren't. Lesbians are actually cleaner than any other group, including straight women, when it comes to STDs. It's about harm, AC, not ideology. But you can't or won't comprehend that, because it would wreck your selfish, rotten, tiny little worldview. So instead you post this trash.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 13 2021, @06:55PM (2 children)
People who are not vaccinated aren't harming anybody. If you want a vaccination its to protect yourself, not others. And most people are not infected, and even of those that are infected - most are asymptomatic who have negligible ability to spread the virus.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 13 2021, @07:51PM
So this is the mew narrative huh? Sure would appreciate a proper study to back up that clai..
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday April 14 2021, @12:58AM
That sure sounds like a measurable, quantitative claim. Can you show us the data proving this to be the case?
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...