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US colleges will require students to be vaccinated, despite state policies:
A growing number of US colleges have said all students must be fully vaccinated before returning to campus, in a move likely to anger some state governors. At least 14 colleges have said vaccination will be required so far, according to a CNN tally, and that number is expected to grow.
In late March Rutgers University became one of the first institutions to declare that having all students vaccinated will allow for an "expedited return to pre-pandemic normal."
Cornell, Brown, Notre Dame, Northeastern, Syracuse, Ithaca and Fort Lewis have made similar announcements, though all will make exceptions for medical or religious reasons. Cornell has also created an online registration tool so students and staff can register their vaccination status.
Two colleges, St. Edward's University in Austin, Texas, and Nova Southeastern University (NSU) in Broward, Florida, have gone a step further, requiring students and all campus employees to be vaccinated.
NSU's policy puts it on a collision course with Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis. After NSU's announcement on April 1 DeSantis signed an executive order stating that vaccines are available but not mandated. Crucially the order prohibits any government entity or business from requiring a vaccine passport. NSU said Thursday that it is reviewing the executive order.
(Score: 2) by Immerman on Monday April 12 2021, @02:37PM (15 children)
What's wrong with
3) Wait until everyone who wants a vaccination gets it, then open everything up and let the un-vaccinated die in droves? Just make sure to give the hospitals permission to refuse COVID treatment to the unvaccinated as needed to keep services available to the rest of the population. And decide where to dig the mass graves now.
Why should we keep to country locked down to protect people who don't want the protection?
As for requiring vaccinations it would be a tidy solution to the problem, but sets some really terrible precedent for bodily autonomy. If the government can require you to get vaccinated, what's stopping them from requiring you to get your monthly dose of "I Love Big Brother" obedience cocktail? We haven't developed such a cocktail yet, but not for lack of trying.
(Score: 2, Troll) by DannyB on Monday April 12 2021, @02:57PM (9 children)
I don't think it's that simple. Vaccination is not a 100% guarantee. I don't mind the un-vaccinated dying in droves, as long as they made an informed decision about that. They have no right to put other people at risk because of their self destructive tendencies.
Whether it makes me a bad person or not, I have to admit having some sympathy for the view of de-prioritizing individuals for COVID-19 treatment at hospitals, who have willfully put other individuals at risk, and have themselves become sick in doing so.
I have to agree with that.
So rather than require people to get them, simply restrict un-vaccinated individuals from things that put other people at risk.
It can be done. My wife and I have not set foot into a store or restaurant in well over a year. We have groceries delivered to our door. We use the Target app to order stuff for pick up -- drive to store, use App to say "I'm here", they bring it out to your car and load it in trunk or hatchback -- all without rolling down windows or being maskless. We didn't do anything with anyone last Thanksgiving or Christmas. It truly
sucksbites. Wife made us a nice thanksgiving spread, which we enjoyed, and had lefovers for many days. I took some good thanksgiving leftovers that day to a friend who lives alone and is similarly isolated and careful.We lived through 2020.
The anti vax hysteria didn't stop, it just died down.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 12 2021, @03:19PM (7 children)
No, it is the "other people" who have no right to invent improbable "risks" to justify their doing actual material harm to people.
You carry around a few kilograms of bacteria and viruses. Any one of those trillions cells and particles is potentially deadly for someone whose immune system does not do its work. Let's seal you into a hermetic can for the rest of your life to prevent that horrible possibility, shall we?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_microbiome [wikipedia.org]
https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/nih-human-microbiome-project-defines-normal-bacterial-makeup-body [nih.gov]
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Monday April 12 2021, @04:54PM (3 children)
Thank you for your opinion. I'll listen to the medical people.
The anti vax hysteria didn't stop, it just died down.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 12 2021, @05:34PM (2 children)
Aren't the medical people, at the moment, all saying that vaccination totally protects you from severe COVID? Who you are listening to, to hear the opposite instead, pray tell?
(Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday April 13 2021, @06:12PM
Nope. Any more questions?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 13 2021, @07:07PM
An increasing number of people are dying of COVID after being fully vaccinated and beyond the 2 week period where immunity is supposed to kick in. These vaccines are more like flu shots. They provide temporary resistance, not immunity, and will likely need to be repeated each year - indefinitely. And even after taking your shot you can still catch COVID, and even die from it. The goal of the shot has gone from immunity (as was initially claimed before they were granted emergency use authorization) to simply reducing severe outcomes.
(Score: 3, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 12 2021, @05:15PM (2 children)
The "improbable risk" to which you refer has killed nearly 3 million people worldwide.
(Score: 0, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 12 2021, @05:28PM
All of whom vaccinated against COVID?
Bad liar, no cookie for you.
BTW, 3 million is how many die from communicable lower respiratory tract disease (aka pneumonia) in any regular year.
https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/the-top-10-causes-of-death [who.int]
And if you start counting every death with something as a death from that something, then the deadliest thing in the world is the Escherichia coli bacterium; literally everyone who died, carried a lot of it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escherichia_coli [wikipedia.org]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 12 2021, @06:34PM
Which, even with funny math Covid counts, makes it an improbable risk of 0.037%.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Immerman on Monday April 12 2021, @03:54PM
>It can be done. My wife and I...
Good on you. I've done much the same. But the landscape is changing rapidly. We locked down to buy time for a vaccine to be developed. And we did so. We won - or will have within a few months. Once everyone willing has been vaccinated we will be as close to total victory over this pandemic as it's reasonably possible to get.
> They have no right to put other people at risk because of their self destructive tendencies.
Unfortunately I don't see any other option.
With herd immunity not being an option, it's pretty inevitable that virtually everyone who's not immune will eventually catch COVID. The only question is just how quickly that happens. How many people do you know who've *never* caught a cold? And colds are mostly far less contagious.
Once you accept that as the unavoidable reality it dramatically changes the risk-analysis landscape. There's nothing left for us to do to significantly improve your odds of never catching COVID. Should we continue with this insanely expensive lockdown forever, in order to grant the involuntarily vulnerable a few more healthy months?
At least with a single massive surge those who can't get vaccinated for medical reasons, and those who remain concerned, can hope to isolate themselves for a few months until it's over. Continuing public precautions indefinitely could draw this out for years.
And by de-prioritizing medical care for voluntarily unvaccinated individuals we can ensure that there are resources available for those who became ill through bad luck rather than choice.
That said, I fully support private companies that choose to protect their employees by requiring customers to remain masked. I'd even consider keeping mask mandates in place for essential services like grocery stores that the vulnerable can't entirely avoid.
All the voluntary stuff though? Open it up. Let those who wish to live riskily do so. Maybe keep the augmented unemployment support going until the surge has petered out, so that we're not forcing people back into high-risk situations.
(Score: 2) by EvilSS on Monday April 12 2021, @03:17PM (2 children)
Not that it really matters all that much. Brazil has gone full tilt stupid and are reducing restrictions while infections (including their very own strain, thanks!) and deaths are skyrocketing. The deaths rate is particularly high in Brazil right now. They should pass up the US death toll sometime in June at the rate they are going right now. India is also seeing skyrocketing cases and deaths now as well, which is interesting since they were fairing well previously considering their population size and density.
(Score: 2) by Immerman on Monday April 12 2021, @04:01PM (1 child)
> I'd like to get off the damn merry go round already.
Me too. Unfortunately that's not an option unless we achieve herd immunity, which is looking to be impossible without allowing the government to mandate medical procedures.
So, do we open up, trusting the vaccines to hopefully avoid the worst outcomes even among the resistant variants? Or do we stay in lockdown forever?
(Score: 2) by EvilSS on Monday April 12 2021, @06:15PM
(Score: 2) by Tork on Monday April 12 2021, @06:39PM
Think of the effect that'll have on Thanksgivings across the nation.
Slashdolt Logic: "25 year old jokes about sharks and lasers are +5, Funny." 💩
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 12 2021, @09:30PM
i can't wait for you people to reveal yourselves and watch what really happens from trying to deny people their basic access to food, etc. You communists' bitches are going to get stacked like trash.