Someone just brought it to me on papers because of a certain sci-fi book we previously discussed. The main motive in said book was a hierarchy of stages of genii, with some funny hyperlogical conclusions, like: a genius of order n can recognize as a genius only lower genii, equal to himself order genii and genii of order n+1, but any n+2 and higher order genius is so genial he cannot be accepted as a genius by mere order n genius. (This reasoning has strong consequences for both problems of artificial entities construction and civilizations distribution in universe, but let's not dig too deep into this now.)
My result was kind of "exceeded the range of measurability" for this admission test (just 100% logical problems solved, nothing special) and I received a letter summoning me urgently to the local Mensa office.
Though I never considered myself a genius. I knew several people much smarter than I, too. Playing chess or go or doing some math or write assembly code is a good rough metric for such sorting. Me realizing not being a genius means I recognize myself only a genius of order 0, normal human.
Now comes the real situation problem: if the test designed by Mensa had been purposed for lookup for some genius order m higher than my own genius order, I would not make it. But I did, so it was not (existential proof). So, I deduced if those genial people at Mensa of some geniality order (n) are actually considering me (proof by letter) being an equal or higher genius (n+1) by definition of geniality hierarchy they are either normal (0) as me, while certainly not much smarter than me (m>=n+2) seeking for smarter than me, nor the little bit smarter smarter than me (they at order 1, for I would fail some of their tests at least in this case), or perhaps they are not even as smart as I am, then because if n+1=0 then n=-1 and conclusively, their collective order of geniality is actually negative.
So, after receiving the summoning letter, I lost immediately interest in such imaginary organization and never contacted them.
-- The edge of 太玄 cannot be defined, for it is beyond every aspect of design
Mensa is top 2%. Did you take an official, timed exam that said you are in the top 2%? I did. It was fairly easy, and I'm probably in the top 1024 on the planet in IQ.
Different approved tests give reliably different scores. The two major ones used by head shrinkers give results over ten points different for the same individual.
Different approved tests give reliably different scores. The two major ones used by head shrinkers give results over ten points different for the same individual.
Have no reason to doubt it, but would love to see attribution.
Relatedly (and only from memory -- sorry no links), I recall reading that the same person taking the same test but on different days (unsure of time separation) can also vary just as much.
Check mensa's site. They list two different professionally administered tests last I looked and give different minimum scores for each for this reason. You can follow the rabbit hole as far as you like from there.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 13 2021, @01:56AM
by Anonymous Coward
on Tuesday April 13 2021, @01:56AM (#1136804)
You’ve been scammed. Mensa tests are not nearly as rigorous as a real iq test. They want to get as many suckers as possible. Hello, sucker. Why weren’t you smart enough to do some research?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 13 2021, @01:30PM
(1 child)
by Anonymous Coward
on Tuesday April 13 2021, @01:30PM (#1136991)
In other words, you were demonstrably wrong both on your claim to have no ego and to be a genius. Way to go, “genius”.
Anyone of evern average intellect could have predicted that you would be called to account for this bs. You’ve just marked yourself as an internet moron.
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 13 2021, @01:49AM
by Anonymous Coward
on Tuesday April 13 2021, @01:49AM (#1136801)
You actually believed that letter? Mensa isn’t rigorous in their tests. There are plenty of people who aren’t geniuses by standards tests, but they only have to pass ONE variant of their tests to be classified as a “genius “.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Mojibake Tengu on Monday April 12 2021, @09:34PM (23 children)
I did the admission test in 1988. As a joke.
Someone just brought it to me on papers because of a certain sci-fi book we previously discussed. The main motive in said book was a hierarchy of stages of genii, with some funny hyperlogical conclusions, like: a genius of order n can recognize as a genius only lower genii, equal to himself order genii and genii of order n+1, but any n+2 and higher order genius is so genial he cannot be accepted as a genius by mere order n genius. (This reasoning has strong consequences for both problems of artificial entities construction and civilizations distribution in universe, but let's not dig too deep into this now.)
My result was kind of "exceeded the range of measurability" for this admission test (just 100% logical problems solved, nothing special) and I received a letter summoning me urgently to the local Mensa office.
Though I never considered myself a genius. I knew several people much smarter than I, too. Playing chess or go or doing some math or write assembly code is a good rough metric for such sorting. Me realizing not being a genius means I recognize myself only a genius of order 0, normal human.
Now comes the real situation problem: if the test designed by Mensa had been purposed for lookup for some genius order m higher than my own genius order, I would not make it. But I did, so it was not (existential proof).
So, I deduced if those genial people at Mensa of some geniality order (n) are actually considering me (proof by letter) being an equal or higher genius (n+1) by definition of geniality hierarchy they are either normal (0) as me, while certainly not much smarter than me (m>=n+2) seeking for smarter than me, nor the little bit smarter smarter than me (they at order 1, for I would fail some of their tests at least in this case), or perhaps they are not even as smart as I am, then because if n+1=0 then n=-1 and conclusively, their collective order of geniality is actually negative.
So, after receiving the summoning letter, I lost immediately interest in such imaginary organization and never contacted them.
The edge of 太玄 cannot be defined, for it is beyond every aspect of design
(Score: 1) by melyan on Monday April 12 2021, @09:36PM (21 children)
That's a lot of words to say your ego was too afraid to take the Mensa test.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Mojibake Tengu on Monday April 12 2021, @10:00PM (14 children)
I feel just fine at my absolute IQ >160. No offence.
The edge of 太玄 cannot be defined, for it is beyond every aspect of design
(Score: 1) by melyan on Monday April 12 2021, @10:08PM (13 children)
My IQ is > 132--mensa didn't give a value, just a pass. Your IQ is unknown until you take a test. No offense.
(Score: 2) by Mojibake Tengu on Monday April 12 2021, @10:19PM (12 children)
Your current tests are much weaker than those in 1988 then.
160 was a valuation for a complete admission test, in this country, in 80's.
The edge of 太玄 cannot be defined, for it is beyond every aspect of design
(Score: 1) by melyan on Monday April 12 2021, @10:30PM (8 children)
Mensa is top 2%. Did you take an official, timed exam that said you are in the top 2%? I did. It was fairly easy, and I'm probably in the top 1024 on the planet in IQ.
(Score: 2, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 12 2021, @11:44PM (1 child)
Come on. We all know you joined "meesa" - the Jar Jar Binks fanclub.
(Score: 2) by Subsentient on Tuesday April 13 2021, @07:55AM
https://i.imgur.com/5Ixnmdn.png [imgur.com]
"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." -Jiddu Krishnamurti
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 13 2021, @12:19AM (4 children)
I think you suffer from delusions of adequacy.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 13 2021, @01:52AM (3 children)
(Score: 1) by melyan on Tuesday April 13 2021, @03:20AM (2 children)
Pregnancy tests?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 13 2021, @01:23PM (1 child)
(Score: 1) by melyan on Wednesday April 14 2021, @12:11AM
Don't worry--your mom is at work on the incel problem.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 13 2021, @12:54AM
Yet you hang around here and expect people to clap for you.
(Score: 1) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday April 13 2021, @12:40PM (2 children)
Different approved tests give reliably different scores. The two major ones used by head shrinkers give results over ten points different for the same individual.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by martyb on Tuesday April 13 2021, @01:18PM (1 child)
Have no reason to doubt it, but would love to see attribution.
Relatedly (and only from memory -- sorry no links), I recall reading that the same person taking the same test but on different days (unsure of time separation) can also vary just as much.
Wit is intellect, dancing.
(Score: 1) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday April 14 2021, @03:43AM
Check mensa's site. They list two different professionally administered tests last I looked and give different minimum scores for each for this reason. You can follow the rabbit hole as far as you like from there.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 12 2021, @11:43PM (5 children)
Why would someone who claims to have no ego take the Mensa test and announce the results?
(Score: 1) by melyan on Monday April 12 2021, @11:48PM (4 children)
I took the mensa test to see if I'm in the top 2%. I announced it to inform people.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 13 2021, @12:21AM
And what are we supposed to do with that information? Bow down to your <sarcasm>rarified intellect</sarcasm>?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 13 2021, @01:56AM
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 13 2021, @01:30PM (1 child)
In other words, you were demonstrably wrong both on your claim to have no ego and to be a genius. Way to go, “genius”.
Anyone of evern average intellect could have predicted that you would be called to account for this bs. You’ve just marked yourself as an internet moron.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 13 2021, @07:20PM
And, genius that I am, I'm going to predict that no one was surprised. So, what's my prize? What did I win?
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 13 2021, @01:49AM
Mensa is faux king joke.