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posted by martyb on Tuesday April 13 2021, @02:31AM   Printer-friendly
from the ⌘-Z dept.

Developer Tim Bray, of XML fame, has written an ode to The Sacred "Back" Button.

Younger readers will find it hard to conceive of a time in which every application screen didn't have a way to "Go Back". This universal affordance was there, a new thing, in the first Web browser that anyone saw, and pretty soon after that, more or less everything had it. It's a crucial part of the user experience and, unfortunately, a lot of popular software is doing it imperfectly. Let's demand perfection.

Why it matters · Nobody anywhere is smart enough to build an application that won't, in some situations, confuse its users. The Back option removes fear and makes people more willing to explore features, because they know they can always back out. It was one of the reasons why the nascent browsers were so much better than the Visual Basic, X11, and character-based interface dinosaurs that then stomped the earth.

Thus I was delighted, at the advent of Android, that the early phones had physical "back" buttons.

[...] Nowadays Android phones don't have the button, but do offer a universal "Back" gesture and, as an Android developer, you don't have to do anything special to get sane, user-friendly behavior. I notice that when I use iOS apps, they always provide a back arrow somewhere up in the top left corner; don't know if that costs developers extra work.

[...] People using your software generally have a well-developed expectation of what Back should do at any point in time, and any time you don't meet that expectation you've committed a grievous sin, one should remedy right now.

The undo function has been around since the beginning, though invented and reinvented several times. Some systems got it much later than others, but now its presence is universally expected.


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  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by hemocyanin on Tuesday April 13 2021, @03:59AM (7 children)

    by hemocyanin (186) on Tuesday April 13 2021, @03:59AM (#1136837) Journal

    Everyone knows I'm an old fogey by now and as an old fart, I get to rant -- "modern" browsers are getting more annoying and I fully expect them to remove the back button at some point simply because it is useful and convenient as they try to phonicate everything in the world. Kind of like how the menu in Brave is gone and apparently there is no way to get it back except by adding in some extension. So instead of a fast low effort user interface with a logically divided menu instantly accessible, you have to click the little square in the upper right to reveal a drop down menu, then find your menu item in that drop down, then proceed. No more click, bang, done. And it isn't like we're all stuck on EGA monitors -- there's plenty of real estate for a menu.

    Even with websites though -- I'm thinking of a financial site I have to go to -- the back button fails to work for a lot of the areas. The only way to go back is to go forward in a circle until you're where you wanted to be -- it turns what would be one step to go back, into three steps forward to get back to where you want to be. I hate that too.

    And then there's my lawn ...

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  • (Score: 2) by istartedi on Tuesday April 13 2021, @04:18AM (2 children)

    by istartedi (123) on Tuesday April 13 2021, @04:18AM (#1136846) Journal

    The only way to go back is to go forward in a circle until you're where you wanted to be

    Welcome to the web browsing wizard. This wizard will guide you through the process of surfing web pages. Click next to search for a web page.

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 13 2021, @04:39AM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 13 2021, @04:39AM (#1136856)

      ...web browsing wizard...

      Why do I now have the image of Gandalf behind a console and it won't get out of my head?

  • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Tuesday April 13 2021, @04:33AM (1 child)

    by fustakrakich (6150) on Tuesday April 13 2021, @04:33AM (#1136853) Journal

    the back button fails to work for a lot of the areas.

    Like trying to find reverse in a Soviet tank, eh?

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    • (Score: 2) by kazzie on Tuesday April 13 2021, @08:01AM

      by kazzie (5309) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday April 13 2021, @08:01AM (#1136906)

      You'd be better off trying an Italian tank. 1 forward gear, 4 reverse!

  • (Score: 3, Informative) by driverless on Tuesday April 13 2021, @08:54AM

    by driverless (4770) on Tuesday April 13 2021, @08:54AM (#1136913)

    So instead of a fast low effort user interface with a logically divided menu instantly accessible, you have to click the little square in the upper right to reveal a drop down menu, then find your menu item in that drop down, then proceed.

    Also known as escape-room UI. Very popular in the last ten years or so, particularly on mobile devices.

  • (Score: 2) by Reziac on Wednesday April 14 2021, @02:48AM

    by Reziac (2489) on Wednesday April 14 2021, @02:48AM (#1137262) Homepage

    Here, you can use my soapbox, and my megaphone, and my lawn... absolutely hate this "modernization" of what was once perfectly usable software. Gimme back my damn menus. And my BACK button.

    Oh, know why the Moz family, when the mouse pointer is over an image, has no BACK option in the context menu? Cuz back in the 1.x era, whichever dev was in charge didn't like "clutter" (that's what he called it), and removed it. There was an uproar in the newsgroup and someone took a vote: 700 for keeping BACK, 2 for removing it (one of which was the aforementioned dev). Dev said "I like it this way so this is how it stays." (In just about those words.)

    May seem trivial but enough of these "trivial" changes and it progresses from nuisance to annoying to unusable.

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