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posted by Fnord666 on Wednesday May 26 2021, @01:13PM   Printer-friendly
from the vendor-capture dept.

There are still a few months to fix this, but for now the US Patent and Trademark Office's (USPTO) Acting Commissioner for Patents, Andrew Faile, and Chief Information Officer, Jamie Holcombe, have announced that starting January 1st, 2022, the USPTO will institute a surcharge for applicants that are not locked into Microsoft products via the proprietary DOCX format. From that date onwards, the USPTO will move away from PDF and require all filers to use that proprietary format or face an arbitrary surcharge when filing.

First, we delayed the effective date for the non-DOCX surcharge fee to January 1, 2022, to provide more time for applicants to transition to this new process, and for the USPTO to continue our outreach efforts and address customer concerns. We've also made office actions available in DOCX and XML formats and further enhanced DOCX features, including accepting DOCX for drawings in addition to the specification, claims, and abstract for certain applications.

One out of several major problems with the plans is that DOCX is a proprietary format. There are several variants of DOCX and each of them are really only supported by a single company's products. Some other products have had progress in beginning to reverse engineering it, but are hindered by the lack of documentation. DOCX is a competitor to the fully-documented, open standard OpenDocument Format, also known as ISO/IEC 26300.

DOCX is not to be confused with OOXML, though it often is. While OOXML, also known as ISO/IEC 29500, is technically standardized, it is incompletely documented and only vaguely related to DOCX. The DOCX format itself is neither fully documented nor standard. So the USPTO is also engaged in spreading disinformation by asserting that it is.

Previously:
(2015) Microsoft Threatened the UK Over Open Standards


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  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by JoeMerchant on Wednesday May 26 2021, @05:00PM (10 children)

    by JoeMerchant (3937) on Wednesday May 26 2021, @05:00PM (#1139004)

    I'm sorry, hasn't Libre Office supported .docx format for like the last 15 years or something? It's not exactly a lock-in format if you can access it with well supported FOSS.

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  • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 26 2021, @08:45PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 26 2021, @08:45PM (#1139089)

    Sort-of. I had a resume done professionally, and the final product included a pdf and a docx. The latter was not at all usable in Libre Office thanks to all the fancy formatting. I could open the docx to look at it, but that was about it, and the layout didn't match the pdf.

  • (Score: 2) by Gaaark on Wednesday May 26 2021, @09:04PM (1 child)

    by Gaaark (41) on Wednesday May 26 2021, @09:04PM (#1139093) Journal

    But why say "Hey, if it won't open in MS-Office, just open it in Libreoffice." when you could just say "Hey, everyone just use Libreoffice and fuck MS0Office."

    Why make everyone use MS-Office, but sometimes you'll have to use Libreoffice, especially when you'll have to use it for older docs? Why not just Libreoffice from the start?

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    • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Thursday May 27 2021, @01:22AM

      by JoeMerchant (3937) on Thursday May 27 2021, @01:22AM (#1139142)

      There was a time around 2005 when I was using Open Office because M$ office couldn't f-ing handle what I was trying to do (embed more than 6 high resolution photographs in a single document.) Same format, but if I edited it in "real" MS Office, it would lock up or crash, but the same document with 12+ embedded photos from my digital camera would edit save and print just fine from Open Office, and ironically after creating it in Open Office you could even view it in MS Office O.K. but just don't mess with the embedded photos in Office 2004 or whatever it was unless you wanted to see a BSOD.

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  • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Wednesday May 26 2021, @09:17PM (6 children)

    by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday May 26 2021, @09:17PM (#1139098) Journal

    I'm sorry, hasn't Libre Office supported .docx format for like the last 15 years or something?

    That is not an excuse to require important public documents to be locked in to a format belonging to one company.

    PDF viewers are more widely supported than anything that can read DOCX.

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    • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Wednesday May 26 2021, @11:41PM (5 children)

      by JoeMerchant (3937) on Wednesday May 26 2021, @11:41PM (#1139122)

      I guess the point is that M$ doesn't exactly own the format.

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      • (Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Thursday May 27 2021, @12:30AM (4 children)

        by PartTimeZombie (4827) on Thursday May 27 2021, @12:30AM (#1139134)

        But they do, and it's pointed out in the summary:

        There are several variants of DOCX and each of them are really only supported by a single company's products. Some other products have had progress in beginning to reverse engineering it, but are hindered by the lack of documentation.

        Which is Libreoffice's problem. If Microsoft documented the format then Libreoffice could support it properly, which is why Microsoft don't document it properly.

        • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Thursday May 27 2021, @01:19AM (3 children)

          by JoeMerchant (3937) on Thursday May 27 2021, @01:19AM (#1139140)

          Well, from a practical aspect, I have submitted .docx documents to all kinds of people over the past decade+ without ever paying for a M$ license. Stay away from the fancy formatting and it renders fine on both sides.

          Is it right? No. There should be an open standard that both sides support 100%. Will that happen? Doesn't seem likely- but from a practical view: you can submit all kinds of .docx documents without ever paying the M$ tax - and as others have pointed out: 95%+ of patent applications are submitted by lawyers who 99.9%+ have M$ licenses anyway. Is it right? No. Does it matter? In all ways but the idealistic, no.

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          • (Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Thursday May 27 2021, @01:45AM (2 children)

            by PartTimeZombie (4827) on Thursday May 27 2021, @01:45AM (#1139150)

            Stay away from the fancy formatting and it renders fine on both sides.

            While that is largely true, but if Microsoft documented the format properly that wouldn't matter either.

            • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Thursday May 27 2021, @02:15AM (1 child)

              by JoeMerchant (3937) on Thursday May 27 2021, @02:15AM (#1139158)

              if Microsoft documented the format properly that wouldn't matter either.

              Yeah, M$ hasn't been properly documenting their shit since forever. In 1991 I got a persistent "Error 67" from MS DOS 3.whatever it was. Thing was, the printed manual only described up through error 64.

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              • (Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Thursday May 27 2021, @03:06AM

                by PartTimeZombie (4827) on Thursday May 27 2021, @03:06AM (#1139171)

                You're right, and that is the point. If they documented stuff they'd open themselves up to competition.