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Reducing poverty can actually lower energy demand, finds research:
[...] We found that households that do have access to clean fuels, safe water, basic education and adequate food—that is, those not in extreme poverty—can use as little as half the energy of the national average in their country.
This is important, as it goes directly against the argument that more resources and energy will be needed for people in the global south to escape extreme poverty. The biggest factor is the switch from traditional cooking fuels, like firewood or charcoal, to more efficient (and less polluting) electricity and gas.
In Zambia, Nepal and Vietnam, modern energy resources are extremely unfairly distributed—more so than income, general spending, or even spending on leisure. As a consequence, poorer households use more dirty energy than richer households, with ensuing health and gender impacts. Cooking with inefficient fuels consumes a lot of energy, and even more when water needs to be boiled before drinking.
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Monday June 07 2021, @04:56PM (5 children)
Wow, being a lower class person in our society is "torture."
You just admitted something I don't think you intended!
The question is: Is it moral to allow the less fortunate than you to be "tortured?"
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 07 2021, @11:52PM (1 child)
Heh, good catch, but libertarians believe the less fortunate should bootstrap their way up and the suffering is the driver. Sociopathy as political party. Of course the REAL libertarians have compassion and understand the need for government interventions, but they believe we should minimize the necessity of government. So far khallow is just cosplaying a libertarian, more like an atheist republican.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday June 08 2021, @03:50AM
No, simply that the allegedly "less fortunate" should take care of their own wants and needs as they see them - rather than some poorly informed government bureaucracy deciding what our wants and needs are (or often just deciding to benefit themselves), and then taking actions that often are irrelevant or even harmful. It's not about suffering, it's about people taking care of themselves responsibly without require government intervention.
Indeed, but when will anyone in this thread mention such a need? Something like national security or emergency services are such needs. A fantasy [soylentnews.org] about 21st Century infrastructure materializing by magic is not such a need. Forcing people to live in the conditions of the poorest on the planet (which incident is a common application of government) is not such a need.
Perhaps instead of constructing straw men arguments, you could provide a REAL argument?
(Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday June 08 2021, @02:51AM (2 children)
Strangely enough, I've been a lower class person before in our society and it wasn't torture. Maybe the narrative needs some work?
I checked that box and picked up said lesson in humanity. But this would-be teacher is still pushing the same, old lesson plan. It's time to move on.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Thursday June 10 2021, @11:38PM (1 child)
You very clearly did not learn it, else you wouldn't be saying well over 90% of the shit you do about politics and the economy. You never learned, and the fact that you admitted you were in a position to learn but didn't says all anyone needs to know about you. Ignorance I can (usually) forgive; willful stupidity is another matter entirely.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday June 12 2021, @12:53AM
Last I checked, we agreed (when you actually would say something concrete rather than spin fantasies) on a lot more than 10% of my shit.