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posted by mrpg on Sunday June 06 2021, @08:16AM   Printer-friendly
from the 89?! dept.

Firefox 89: Can this redesign stem browser's decline?:

Mozilla has released Firefox 89, proclaiming it a "fresh new Firefox," though it comes amid a relentless decline in market share.

Firefox matters more than most web browsers, because it uses its own browser engine, called Quantum, and its own JavaScript engine, called SpiderMonkey. By contrast, most other browsers, including Chrome and Chromium, Edge, Brave, Opera, and Vivaldi use the Google-sponsored Blink engine, while Apple's Safari uses WebKit (from which Blink was forked). The existence of multiple independent implementations is important for web standards, helping to prevent a single vendor from pushing through changes without consensus, and ensuring that the standards are coherent.

A glance at a statistics site like W3Counter is telling. In April 2008, Microsoft enjoyed a 63 per cent market share with Internet Explorer, and with Firefox performing strongly behind it at 29.3 per cent. By April 2010, IE was down to 48.6 per cent, Firefox up to 32.7 per cent, and Google's newer Chrome was starting to make an impact, at 8.3 per cent.

In April 2012, the three were almost on a par, though Chrome (26.8 per cent) had overtaken Firefox (25 per cent). Today, Chrome is at 65.3 per cent, Safari second at 16.7 per cent, IE and Edge has 5.7 per cent, and Firefox has just 4.1 per cent share. Despite numerous updates, Mozilla's browser has declined from 6.1 per cent share a year ago. Statcounter tells a similar story, reporting a 3.59 per cent share for Firefox, down from 4.21 per cent a year ago.


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  • (Score: 4, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 06 2021, @10:27AM (24 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 06 2021, @10:27AM (#1142323)

    If you want to understand why Mozilla is declining just go look at the Mozilla Developer Network on YouTube.

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  • (Score: 4, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 06 2021, @10:40AM (3 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 06 2021, @10:40AM (#1142324)

    Wow... there are so many LGBTQUX in one place that I thought I'd accidentally gone to the Gay Pride Month channel.

    • (Score: 5, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 06 2021, @11:39AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 06 2021, @11:39AM (#1142336)

      Is that how we should describe Firefox? It sucks and it's fucked in many non-traditional ways.

    • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 06 2021, @04:13PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 06 2021, @04:13PM (#1142391)

      I didn't go there but I can imagine the gush of Wellness and Healing and Heathful Diet advice.

      • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 06 2021, @07:35PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 06 2021, @07:35PM (#1142447)

        Oooh troll mod. Somebody needs to practice Mindfulness(tm) and attend a Yoga Webinar(tm).

  • (Score: 5, Informative) by EEMac on Sunday June 06 2021, @01:20PM (4 children)

    by EEMac (6423) on Sunday June 06 2021, @01:20PM (#1142351)

    The LGBTQUX thing doesn't bother me. But the level of content is worrying.

    Mozilla Developer Network [youtube.com]:
    * Where do browser styles come from?
    * What does "revert" CSS do?
    * Why is CSS so weird?
    * Inspecting the CSS cascade
    * Did you know you can screenshot web pages?
    * We just updated underline styling together

    Google Chrome Developers [youtube.com]:
    * The Web Audio API
    * Building a web application with Angular and Firebase
    * Building user-adaptive interfaces
    * How to monetize your progressive web application
    * Structured data for developers
    * Connecting hardware devices to the web
    * WebAssembly threads

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 06 2021, @06:13PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 06 2021, @06:13PM (#1142421)

      You're both saying the same thing, indirectly.

      Almost nobody has a problem with companies hiring or working with folks that go against the stereotypes for a given role. The problem is that when that hiring starts to become a defining position of a company, they're left disproportionately (if not *only* as optics would suggest of the Mozilla Developer Network) hiring people that fall outside the stereotype of a role. The natural consequence of this is that you end up picking from a much smaller population.

      That already poses a major problem, and then pair it with the fact that the distribution of the subpopulation may itself already be worse than the stereotyped population. The negative bias is not because of their identity, but because what it's in lieu of. Somebody who goes to great efforts expressing and demonstrating their sexuality, "queerness", or whatever else is, on average, going to have a different set of skills and abilities than somebody who considers a great weekend to be 2 boxes of pizza and 40 hours of code, and they look like it.

    • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 06 2021, @06:30PM (2 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 06 2021, @06:30PM (#1142430)

      The LGBTQUX thing doesn't bother me.

      It should, irrespective of whatever your views on it are.

      It has become the yranac, the more you see a project/organisation making an issue of it , the more toxic that project/organisation has become. As manglement think the need to be seen to pander to the current fetish of (insert this week's alphabet string here) ideology has become a greater organisational concern than the need to hire people cabable of productively filling positions within their organisation, you eventually end up with an increasingly useless organisation top heavy with mediocre (but alphabetically correct ) personnel.

      Which is why you end up thinking

      But the level of content is worrying.

      When you look at their output.

      • (Score: 2) by tangomargarine on Monday June 07 2021, @06:57AM (1 child)

        by tangomargarine (667) on Monday June 07 2021, @06:57AM (#1142664)

        It has become the yranac

        The what? Is this really an obscure Star Trek TNG reference you expect anyone to get, or something else?

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        • (Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 07 2021, @02:06PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 07 2021, @02:06PM (#1142733)

          Reverse canary,
          The yranac is a bird which thrives in increasingly toxic atmospheres, the more toxic the atmosphere, the happier and quieter they become, as opposed to your traditional canary, which screams blue murder with the increasing toxicity.

          I'd been using it that sense for years, decades actually, got it from an ex-army colleague down in London who basically initially described it to me as 'it's that usually awkward bastard you keep an eye on, and if they suddenly go all quiet and start looking smug, then it's a sign that shit is about to happen..and happen to everyone but him'.

          As far as organisations are concerned, it's when they say or do something obviously idiotic/irrational to everyone outside the organisation, yet there's no apparent internal voice of dissent from people who should know better..a sure sign that something's wrong somewhere internally within that organisation.

          I couldn't figure out the ST:TNG reference, didn't watch it, so googled it...I can see your confusion.

          Weird, it must have been a very specific army unit slang term, then again, the guy I got it from had a rather interesting 'post' military career, e.g. how many people do you come across in life who, as a 'civilian', had a document which authorised him to have the full co-operation of the police and military of a dictatorship in any matter he cared? (then you find out that a very well-known rock guitarist is his cousin's son in the course of a conversation about a curious contract he was once offered in closing acts of the Vietnam war)

  • (Score: 1, Interesting) by VLM on Sunday June 06 2021, @04:26PM (14 children)

    by VLM (445) Subscriber Badge on Sunday June 06 2021, @04:26PM (#1142396)

    I know its kind of a chicken vs egg thing but dying organizations always go far left as part of the death process. Look at legacy media for example, or boomer-era pro sports that are literally dying off.

    So Mozilla being far left is more a symptom than a cause, but whatever, its the same end result eventually anyway.

    • (Score: 2, Interesting) by maxwell demon on Sunday June 06 2021, @05:21PM

      by maxwell demon (1608) on Sunday June 06 2021, @05:21PM (#1142408) Journal

      Actually it makes sense: As things go bad, tensions in the organization rise and therefore the work climate gets worse. Management notices the work climate getting worse, and sees the need to do something about it. Therefore they install some code of conduct that is intended to fix the issue. It of course doesn't fix the issue because the issue is that the core business is not working well, instead the climate gets even worse as people start fighting over the CoC. Which to the management proves that there are “toxic” people who need to be removed. Too bad if they were those doing the actual work or holding essential knowledge, and without them the decline is even worse. Wash, rinse, repeat.

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    • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday June 06 2021, @06:26PM (10 children)

      by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Sunday June 06 2021, @06:26PM (#1142426) Journal

      So explain the GOP then?

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      • (Score: 0, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 06 2021, @06:59PM (2 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 06 2021, @06:59PM (#1142440)

        Democrats made 'em do it. They can frustrate people into doing anything, even vote for Trump.. again

        • (Score: 2, Funny) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday June 06 2021, @07:59PM (1 child)

          by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Sunday June 06 2021, @07:59PM (#1142455) Journal

          You forgot to log in, fistula-crack-itch.

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          • (Score: 0, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 08 2021, @03:10AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 08 2021, @03:10AM (#1143017)

            Wow! I can get you to believe anything!

      • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 07 2021, @12:20AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 07 2021, @12:20AM (#1142540)

        History shows that the GOP was a socialist party that ruined itself, as leftists always do. Ho ho ho.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 07 2021, @12:40AM (5 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 07 2021, @12:40AM (#1142556)

        He said dying organizations. As much as you might hate them, the Republican party is not dying. It might get torn in two by Trump, but that is different to a slow death from cancer.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 07 2021, @02:54AM (4 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 07 2021, @02:54AM (#1142605)

          The percentage of individuals that self identify has Republican has fallen steadily (including "leans") over the years. Moreover, the trend seems to be accelerating thanks to demographic shifts. The party (both of them really) seem to be in trouble and have been for decades, Trump just exacerbated a problem that already existed and made it much more visible with what was essentially the Tea Party 2.0.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 07 2021, @03:24AM (2 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 07 2021, @03:24AM (#1142622)

            Which is why at the last election Republicans got the highest vote count they have ever gotten. Whatever problems they have, a dying party is not one of them.

            • (Score: 2) by tangomargarine on Monday June 07 2021, @06:54AM (1 child)

              by tangomargarine (667) on Monday June 07 2021, @06:54AM (#1142663)

              Which is why at the last election Republicans got the highest vote count they have ever gotten.

              Didn't the last election set records for both sides, for total vote counts?

              Going from 100k to 1m voter turnout, two-party system, one side could go from 50% of the vote to 6% and still have the "best turnout ever" (50k vs 60k).

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              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 07 2021, @09:34PM

                by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 07 2021, @09:34PM (#1142913)

                Plus there is the per capita adjustment and the rising number of apathetic and roll off voters. And you have to factor in the fact that in a two party system, you may not lean towards a party, but you can vote against a party. Or you can vote based on the particular candidate. How many times have you heard, "I don't like {particular party or person} but it's better than the alternative, in your life? Those votes count for that candidate and their party, but it certainly wasn't "for" that candidate or their party. That is part of the reason why the tactics they're increasingly using have adopted that sort of messaging, even beyond generic fear and negative ads.

          • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Friday June 11 2021, @03:07PM

            by fustakrakich (6150) on Friday June 11 2021, @03:07PM (#1144257) Journal

            The party (both of them really) seem to be in trouble and have been for decades

            You haven't paid attention to the vote count.

            2016 Trump/Clinton received 94.3%
            2020 Trump/Biden.. received 98.2%
            Over 98% of congress was reelected

            The Party is doing better than ever, and overflowing with money. You needn't fret over them.

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    • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 07 2021, @02:21AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 07 2021, @02:21AM (#1142592)

      Legacy media is right of center. How else do you explain their love of Biden?

    • (Score: 5, Interesting) by GlennC on Monday June 07 2021, @12:38PM

      by GlennC (3656) on Monday June 07 2021, @12:38PM (#1142716)

      I wouldn't necessarily label it as "far left" as much as "extremist".

      It seems to me that as an organization decays, more and more people leave until those who remain are the "true believers" and their philosophy becomes more disconnected with reality.

      It's more of an "us versus the world" thing as opposed to "left versus right."

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