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posted by janrinok on Thursday June 10, @12:30PM   Printer-friendly
from the this-is-infrastructure dept.

From Spiked:

If life ever returns to normal, one thing no one will miss from the lockdown era is the 'TV goldfish'. For over a year, we've watched the disembodied, pixelated faces of contributors to live TV mouth their words out of sync with their audio, gulping away as if in a private fish tank. This isn't the exception for internet video, it's the norm.

John Day is one of the internet's greybeard founding fathers. For a decade he has been advancing a set of improvements to the current mainstream internet protocols. His proposals – called RINA (Recursive Internetwork Architecture) – revisit and build on Louis Pouzin's founding concept of datagrams (data packets). Simplifying these features allowed the original inter-networking protocols (IP) to get out of the door in the 1980s and 1990s, and allowed for the rapid growth of the internet. But the current system we have – TCP/IP – is holding back new innovation.

See also: Internet outage illustrates lack of resilience at heart of critical services
The Guardian view on the internet outage: we need resilience, not just efficiency


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  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 10, @12:48PM (6 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 10, @12:48PM (#1143860)

    For over a year, we've watched the disembodied, pixelated faces of contributors to live TV mouth their words out of sync with their audio, gulping away as if in a private fish tank. This isn't the exception for internet video, it's the norm.

    Well, haven't seen that in many years. Seems something is wrong with his setup?

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  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Revek on Thursday June 10, @12:59PM (2 children)

    by Revek (5022) on Thursday June 10, @12:59PM (#1143866)

    Agreed. Problems like that are the exception not the rule. Looks like a solution in search of a problem.

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 10, @05:16PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 10, @05:16PM (#1143956)

      Most likely, the author has some fancy setup where their audio goes through about five different daisy chained boxes before it reaches his/her speakers, and with each box adding its own latency, the result is he/she has created their own fishbowl problem.

      The author is probably also the same type who purchase $4,000/foot speaker wire with oxygen free gold wire because it provides a purer sound with more melodic highs and more bassy lows.

      • (Score: 5, Touché) by driverless on Thursday June 10, @05:19PM

        by driverless (4770) on Thursday June 10, @05:19PM (#1143958)

        Most likely, the author has some fancy setup where their audio goes through about five different daisy chained boxes before it reaches his/her speakers, and with each box adding its own latency, the result is he/she has created their own fishbowl problem.

        No, not at all. The author has some elaborate pet-project solution they've been working on for years and now has to invent a problem for it to solve.

  • (Score: 2) by donkeyhotay on Thursday June 10, @10:15PM

    by donkeyhotay (2540) on Thursday June 10, @10:15PM (#1144097)

    Yeah, that's what I thought too. This might happen once in a great while, but I haven't experienced this in years. However, his writing style sounds British. Perhaps this is more of a problem in Right-pondia?

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  • (Score: 2) by Reziac on Friday June 11, @03:05AM

    by Reziac (2489) on Friday June 11, @03:05AM (#1144163) Homepage

    I've seen a few vids lately that weren't quite in sync, but my internet is slow enough to time with an hourglass. And it was unusual enough to notice, even with my shit access. So yeah, sounds like a personal problem...

  • (Score: 2, Insightful) by UncleBen on Friday June 11, @04:08PM

    by UncleBen (8563) on Friday June 11, @04:08PM (#1144271)
    Holy crap you guys, I regularly see streamed content with audio/video out of sync. I've seen it on public displays, off-line streams, hi- and lo-powered devices. I'd guess +90% of content isn't in sync, it's laughably bad on music videos especially yootoob. (Platform independent.)

    Admittedly, I have 20 years experience with syncing separated sound and video so even at my age I can spot a 1/24th sec sync errors. Buy you youths should be spotting 1/60th's reasonably reliably. Especially in your video games. (OY, some of those are PAINFULLY bad...and it's dedicated HW+OS+SW!)

    I suspect y'all calling "nothing to see here" may have gotten adapted. I fully welcome anyone's attempt to get us back to Ye Olde Analog Daze of sync quality.