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posted by janrinok on Thursday June 10, @02:24AM   Printer-friendly
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Vivaldi 4.0 launches with built-in email and calendar clients, RSS reader – TechCrunch:

Vivaldi has always been one of the more interesting of the Chromium-based browsers, in no small part thanks to its emphasis on building tools for power users in a privacy-centric package, but also because of its pedigree, with Opera's outspoken former CEO Jon von Tetzchner as its co-founder and CEO. Today, the Vivaldi team is launching version 4.0 of its browser and with that, it's introducing a slew of new features that, among many other things, include the beta of new built-in mail, calendar and RSS clients, as well as the launch of Vivaldi Translate, a privacy-friendly translation service hosted on the company's own servers and powered by Lingvanex.

Vivaldi isn't new to email clients. The company has long offered a webmail service, for example. But building an offline email client into the browser — as well as a calendar client — almost feels like a return to the early days of browsers, like Netscape Navigator and Opera, when having these additional built-in features was almost standard. Von Tetzchner argues that for a lot of browser vendors, doing away with those features was about steering users into certain directions (including their own webmail clients).

"We've chosen to say, 'okay, we don't want to have the business model decide what we do. We rather focus on what the users want.' And I think there's a significant value [in a built-in email client]. Most all of us use email — at varying levels, some of use it a lot, some less, but everyone basically has at least one email account," he said. "So having a good client for that, that's kind of where we're coming from. And, I mean, we obviously did a lot of those things at Opera — some of them we didn't — and we are filling a gap with what Opera used to be doing. And now at Vivaldi, we are doing those things, but also a lot more. We never did a calendar at Opera."

(...) As of now Vivaldi isn't profitable. It generates some revenue from preinstalled bookmarks and search engine partnerships. But von Tetzchner argues that Vivaldi just needs to increase its user base a bit more to become a sustainable company. He seems comfortable with that idea — and the fact that its per-user revenue is relatively low. "We've done this before and we've seen this work. It takes time to build a company like ours," he said. "I hope people are liking what we're building — that's kind of the feel I get — people are really liking what we're building. And then kind of gradually, we'll get enough users to pay the bills and then we take it from there."

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  • (Score: 3, Informative) by Kunasou on Thursday June 10, @12:30PM (2 children)

    by Kunasou (4148) on Thursday June 10, @12:30PM (#1143857)

    In 3.8 they've really messed up bookmarking.

    When Control+D is pressed it displays that it has saved the bookmark. But... You have to click inside the notification to select the correct folder and it's quite messy.

    Still... They've tried to fix it a bit in 4.0:
    - The bookmark added dialog can be enforced in the settings ("Always Open Bookmarks Dialog").

    - The search thing didn't work correctly in 3.8 . I have a lot of subfolders, subsubfolders with shared names, things like:

    -> Toolbar -> TV -> Channels
    -> Dial -> Gaming -> Channels.

    I searched for "Channels" and two folders with the same name appeared... But I couldn't tell which one was the correct!

    The good thing is that in 4.0, the whole tree appears in the results allowing to pick the one I want.

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  • (Score: 4, Interesting) by RS3 on Thursday June 10, @05:47PM (1 child)

    by RS3 (6367) on Thursday June 10, @05:47PM (#1143981)

    Yeah, thanks. I'm not sure if the whole bookmarks interface is Vivaldi's, or google chrome.

    I wish someone would (or even could) explain to me how things like that happen. It can be physical / hardware, or software. Something is working perfectly, does not need any changes at all, and someone comes along and maybe just for the sake of change, they break it. I'm sure there are lots of mechanisms for this, but you'd hope there'd be beta testers, other developers, product managers, someone who would say "oh, this is incredibly stupid, no just no". Linux is so good because Linus is pretty good at enforcing sanity.

    In general, besides the heavy slow bloated pig Vivaldi and other chrome derivatives have become, bookmarks handling is probably what I hate the most in Vivaldi. Old Opera: add bookmark dialog shows you tree, and actually lets you create new folders! Woa dude! Vivaldi has never given that option. And, the bookmarks editor is horrible (IMHO). And, bookmarks are stored in a huge binary blob file. Whenever you add a bookmarks, or edit bookmarks, the CPU saturates for several seconds and Vivaldi is unresponsive. The bookmarks blob pig is full of various picture files, including thumbnails, icons, etc. Incredibly stupid. Old Opera stores them in their own folder. You can delete individual ones if you like, or clean out the whole folder. How is coding going backwards?

    When I get some free time (probably never) I'll try 4.x, and thank you for giving me some hope. :)

    • (Score: 3, Informative) by Kunasou on Thursday June 10, @09:29PM

      by Kunasou (4148) on Thursday June 10, @09:29PM (#1144082)

      I think is something Vivaldi redid since Chromium works the way it's used to for a few years.
      After the 4.0 fixes I actually prefer the current Control+D behavior.
      Having a proper working folder search backed in is a nice thing (Chromium needs an additional popup).
      You can create folders on the fly with the "new folder" icon located at the top right of the folder tree view.
      The bookmarks slowdown is something I never seen since I only have 1000 bookmarks (well, someone should create 1 million on a clean profile someday if it can be automated).
      But UI slowdowns are the pain of Vivaldi... Maybe they should use something different instead of React or the codebase is quite bad (maybe that's why they don't open source it?).

      For me this days it's just changing stuff just for the sake of change. It's like cable operators fixing one cable and breaking another (used to happen in my country)... An ugly way to keep work going stable for years.
      Another example is Firefox, they broke their interface with Australis, somehow fixed it with Quantum (but they killed a great part of their addon ecosystem), messed it a bit with Photon and messed up with Proton.
      They don't care about betatesters complaining, their think that their view is either great or superior and other people should adapt to it.
      So, people get tired of this and where possible they just go away (ie, that cable company is losing a lot of clients, Firefox's marketshare is plummeting) or if there's a monopoly they just accept (angrily) the changes that are force fed to them (Adobe tools or Chrome at workplace).

      You're welcome :)!