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The House voted Thursday to repeal the 2002 legal authorization for the war in Iraq, marking what the bill's backers hope is a first step to curbing the President's expansive war powers enacted after the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.
The House voted 268-161 to repeal the authorization, with 49 Republicans joining Democrats to back the measure authorized by Rep. Barbara Lee, a California Democrat. One Democrat voted against the bill.
The vote occurred after the White House said this week that it supported repealing the 2002 war authorization -- the first time the Executive Branch has explicitly backed the effort -- saying that the legal authority in Iraq was no longer necessary.The Senate is taking up similar legislation in the Senate Foreign Relations Committee next week, and Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer said he planned to put that legislation on the Senate floor this year. It's still not clear whether the measure would be able to gain enough support from Senate Republicans to reach the 60 votes needed to pass, however, as Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell expressed his opposition on Thursday.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Thursday June 17 2021, @06:47PM (22 children)
Manchin is the obstruction, not McConnell.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Thursday June 17 2021, @06:58PM (19 children)
So we can't find even a single Republican who wants to take power away from a Democratic President?
They really have that much of a war boner?
Just remember this vote when all the conservatives come out of the woodwork next time acting like they don't like "Forever Wars."
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 17 2021, @07:02PM
Sheesh DM, conservatives no longer matter and it is all the dems fault. Do you even pay attention to fustakrach?
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Thursday June 17 2021, @07:21PM (17 children)
Doesn't matter what they have. They don't have enough to block the repeal without Manchin's help. They don't have enough to block anything without Manchin's help. He's the man... He runs the show, has more power than Biden
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Thursday June 17 2021, @07:28PM (6 children)
Or, a mere 20% of Republicans could vote for the right thing for a change.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 17 2021, @07:38PM (4 children)
More than 20% of House Republicans voted to do the right thing. If Senate Republicans, who should be more moderate, voted the same way, this would pass with no problem at all.
Republicans screamed about Biden ordering airstrikes against Syria earlier this year. Biden and most other Democrats want to repeal one of the laws that granted such authority, but now Republicans are against it. That makes no sense.
My only regret is that the other AUMF from that era isn't also being repealed and, if needed, replaced.
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Thursday June 17 2021, @07:53PM
Looks like it was 23% of Republicans in the House. 49/211
I have a feeling the Senate is going to be a lot more in lock-step for their vote, though.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Thursday June 17 2021, @08:02PM
Too many dems still go along with that one
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Thursday June 17 2021, @10:02PM (1 child)
Rep. Barbara Lee (D) has also introduced a bill to repeal the 2001 authorization.
Lee has also introduced a bill to repeal the 2001 authorization, and said that "we must keep up our fight to repeal the 2001 AUMF so that no future president has the unilateral power to plunge us into endless wars." [cbsnews.com]
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Thursday June 17 2021, @10:09PM
Yeah, let's see how many dems sign on to that one
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Thursday June 17 2021, @07:39PM
You still believe they are there to serve? Well, they do, they serve the people that reelect them, in a way. Doing the "right thing" is utterly irrelevant
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 17 2021, @07:32PM (9 children)
There are long term consequences to eliminating the filibuster. It may make it easier to advance your agenda, but the other party will have an easier time repealing it when they get power. Blaming Manchin on this particular bill is moronic. If anything, the House is more ideologically polarized than the Senate. A lot of times when people say that a bill has bipartisan support, it means that one or two people from the opposite party supported the bill. The House vote, however, can legitimately be called bipartisan, given that a non-negligible amount of Republicans voted with the Democrats. This is common sense that an AUMF from 19 years ago that has been stretched to absurd proportions probably ought to be repealed. Otherwise, when something is so overly broad as the AUMF, it will be stretched and abused just like the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution was. Republicans complained loudly about airstrikes Biden ordered earlier this year. Democrats are advancing legislation that would help to prevent a recurrence. If this can't pass the Senate, if it doesn't get bipartisan support, it should be blamed on asinine warmongering by Senate Republicans.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Thursday June 17 2021, @07:48PM
Democrats lose elections due to "compromise" with republicans, it is actually complicity. That is what cost them so big in 2010. If the democrats actually oppose the republicans, it will inspire more people to vote for them. Because now, they're just "moderate" republicans, keeping the chair warm for the next one
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 17 2021, @08:08PM (5 children)
Somebody trying to being rational and also supportive of the DNC? That's a rare sight, so hello to whomever you are. However, there's one simple thing I'd add to your analysis here. Political parties very rarely, if ever, voluntarily concede power. The Gulf of Tonkin was a coerced concession and even as it was being passed Nixon was effectively stating 'Whatever, this changes nothing.'
So I see two options here:
1) This is a song and dance routine. The DNC, who also has no interest in this, is only proposing it because they know it'll fail. So they get the PR without having to give anything up, and even get to further divide America which has become a cornerstone of modern politics. To elaborate there, how many voted for Clinton in 2016 thinking she was a great person who really stood for what they believed in? How many did so because they hated/feared the alternative? And the same was largely true of Trump voters as well. Quite a remarkable system - getting tens of millions of people to vote for people they don't even like. Divide and conquer truly is a universal strategy.
2) As Nixon said, 'This changes nothing.'
Of course I also have to acknowledge the third option that I'm simply wrong and the DNC is inexplicably choosing to concede power, but I think the chances of this being the case are very near 0. I think this possibility would have a greater chance of being true if this was an 'October Surprise' of sorts on the eve of a razor-thin election. But, well, it's not.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 18 2021, @03:02AM (4 children)
I voted for her because she is an inspiring person, and I think it's time we put a woman in the most powerful office in the world. A female POTUS would instantly shatter the misogynist stereotype that women are gentle, docile, motherly and all that horse hockey.
What I found most interesting about her presidential campaign was the MSM. I watched as the same MSM that had been printing misogynerd shit suddenly began to embrace FUD, borderline anti-feminist memes like concern about her health. Trump's buttery male privilege was on display given the lack of concern about the adverse health effects of eating steak with ketchup!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 18 2021, @05:09AM (3 children)
She voted for the Iraq War, supported the drug war, supported the Unpatriotic Act, supported mass surveillance, supported the TPP, supported the persecution of whistleblowers, supported disastrous neoliberal economics, supported endless war, and took corporate bribes. How is that inspiring? Her corrupt brand of politics led us to Trump, a corrupt fascist rodeo clown who pretends to be a populist.
Someone like Nina Turner would be a much better pick.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 19 2021, @03:55AM
(Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 19 2021, @01:49PM (1 child)
I don't think you understand. Those are precisely the qualities that inspire Democrats. They'll virtue signal each other for public consumption, while busing another 100,000 dark-skinned people to prison for violating unconstitutional laws. Drugs, guns, whatever they can get them on is good enough.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 21 2021, @11:12PM
Gaslight
Obstruct
Project
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 18 2021, @05:02AM
You could make it into a talking filibuster, and require that there be at least 40 people who want to see the filibuster continue. That's the decent compromise position. Then, if someone feels strongly enough to filibuster a bill, they can still do so, but they have to actually speak in a way that the public can see them. Manchin previously said he was for this, but now talk about that has almost disappeared.
Also, the filibuster benefits Republicans far, far more than it does Democrats. The only goals of the GOP are to break the government, deregulate, and do tax cuts for the rich and corporations. The latter two can either be done via reconciliation or via the executive branch, and the filibuster makes breaking the government all too easy. The filibuster aids fascism.
(Score: 2, Offtopic) by Runaway1956 on Friday June 18 2021, @12:27PM
Ahhh the Gulf of Tonkin. Tonkin 1 was unremarkable - 3 Vietnamese gunboats were sunk when they got too close to a destroyer looking for trouble. Tonkin 2 is more interesting. That's when the Red CIA attacked the Blue CIA and sank some worthless bit of debris that nobody placed any value on. Ghost guns on ghost boats with ghost crew using ghost radar and ghost propaganda. And, don't forget the ghost torpedoes, ghost missiles, and even ghost bodies floating in the water.
It all makes sense now, why our Fearless Leaders are fighting the ghost gun epidemic on our streets today. You can never let your guard down against the ghosts!!
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Freeman on Thursday June 17 2021, @09:19PM (1 child)
49 republicans backed the bill, might get a couple of republicans in the Senate too. Doesn't need much. Reducing the President's ability to act like a dictator is a good thing.
Joshua 1:9 "Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the Lord thy God is with thee"
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Thursday June 17 2021, @09:59PM
President just has to sign the bills. He's not "dictating" anything, he's there to approve what congress passes to him. Manchin is the one setting the agenda, and he sides with the republicans, may as well hand the gavel back to McConnell.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 17 2021, @06:59PM (15 children)
One part of congress or the other voting for something is often just theater when they know it will fail in the other, letting both parties keep up the "we'd do everything we said we would, but those pesky [other party] keep stopping us from doing anything" or, as necessary, "President Manchin keeps vetoing everything".
It's all irrelevant song and dance until it actually becomes a law.
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Thursday June 17 2021, @07:08PM (14 children)
Or, you could blame the people who are voting against the things you want for them not passing?
Seems a bit simpler than blaming the people who are voting FOR the things you want!
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Thursday June 17 2021, @07:23PM (2 children)
Oh please, you can stop pretending you don't know what "villain rotation" is.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Thursday June 17 2021, @08:14PM (1 child)
I haven't heard that term. I guess it is to keep villains fresh.
The Electoral College voting is an affirmative action program for low populated states.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Thursday June 17 2021, @08:56PM
:-) Uh huh...
It's an old trick [urbandictionary.com]
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 17 2021, @07:31PM
I refuse to believe you are this unaware of the most basic political stratagems for somebody who seems to have dedicated the remainder of his life to ranting and raving on it.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Thursday June 17 2021, @07:35PM (9 children)
Fusty is right, you know. It's all theater. How many times have we seen a football passed from the house to the senate, and back again? The object is to keep the ball in play, not to score a goal. Oh, did I spell 'bill' wrong?
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 17 2021, @07:42PM (8 children)
This doesn't seem to be getting through to you and fusty.
Democrats want to repeal the AUMF. Biden supports repealing it. Democrats in congress overwhelmingly support repealing it.
It's your party, Republicans, who are standing in the way. But you're blaming the party that actually is voting to repeal the AUMF. Weird.
Back in February, Republicans through a fit when Biden order airstrikes against Syria. The current military action in the Middle East and surrounding areas is authorized by two Bush-era AUMFs. They have been stretched to ridiculous proportions to justify military actions that Congress never intended to occur back in 2001 and 2002. When Democrats try to repeal one of those AUMFs, now most Republicans are voting against it.
But you ignore the hypocrisy on your side and blame Manchin because he won't go along with eliminating the filibuster.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Thursday June 17 2021, @07:52PM
We blame Manchin because he is to blame for all obstruction in congress right now. It's that simple. The republicans are irrelevant. And I can assure you that if the dems had a bigger majority, they would find a few more "Manchins" to block (re: 111th congress). This is how the game is designed. Why do you insist it's something else?
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Thursday June 17 2021, @07:58PM (6 children)
Yes, yes, yes - most all of us know about the AUMF, the first, and then the second. Both of which passed almost unanimously, in both chambers. They aren't owned by either party, they were bilateral.
Repealing the AUMF and/or any war powers that the president wields isn't likely to happen. The Dems are finding it convenient right now to act like they want it repealed. They don't. Theater, circus, smoke and mirrors. Keep your eyes on the shiny, pay no mind to the shadows behind the curtain. Watch the pretty young lady with the skimpy costume, don't watch the magician's hands.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 17 2021, @09:06PM (4 children)
" The Dems are finding it convenient right now to act like they want it repealed. They don't."
As always you are incapable of criticizing Republicans and holding them accountable is beyond your comprehension, but of course you find a way to slander Dems. This level of trolling is disgustingly fascist, maybe you'll get what you want and finally see the error of your ways. Eh, who am I kidding, you'll be happy something gets "done" for our border issues and won't kick up a fuss when the camps go all genocidal. But dems are the real fascists /s
At least these instances show your true colors, though the jurry is still out on whether you intentionally troll along with it or you are just a brainwashed fool.
(Score: 1, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Thursday June 17 2021, @10:05PM
Fuck your jury. I don't answer to you or your jury. Use your head for something other than a hat rack. Dems control the house, Dems control the Senate, Dems control the White House. The only thing the Dems don't control, is the Supreme Court. If the Dems really want something done, NOW IS THE TIME!
You can't blame the Rs for your Dem's failures.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Thursday June 17 2021, @10:42PM (2 children)
:-) Why all the pearl clutching? There's nothing to get all worked up about. Nobody is "slandering" the dems. We are merely reminding you of their standard blame passing procedure whenever they "fail" to pass a bill that the party does not really want to pass. They find just enough people to vote against it (This year they only need one.), and then blame the other other side.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 18 2021, @12:03AM (1 child)
So what is easier? Getting a few fully corrupt dems to see the light? Or getting a few out of ALL the Republicans to vote right?
Try again you propaganda pushing punks.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Friday June 18 2021, @12:23AM
There is nothing to make "easier". And let's stop pretending there's any opposition. Nothing passes without the Party's approval. Real action starts with reducing the incumbency in congress, to zero in the house would be outstanding
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 18 2021, @01:47AM
Then call their bluff. Make them look like the bad guys you claim they are.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by DannyB on Thursday June 17 2021, @07:36PM (18 children)
Not good news at all!
Can you imagine the billions of dollars the military industrial complex will lose out on if we are not continuously involved in multiple wars. With young poor people as cannon fodder.
Could anyone ever have predicted [youtube.com] the danger of the rise of a vast peacetime standing army?
The Electoral College voting is an affirmative action program for low populated states.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Thursday June 17 2021, @08:04PM (17 children)
Ours? Or theirs? Ours are priced modestly. Theirs are almost free. There's plenty of profit to cover the expenses.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Thursday June 17 2021, @08:11PM (16 children)
Are you taking about cost of Our young service members in terms of dollars or lives?
And "theirs" too.
I don't have a problem with why we went there originally. My enthusiasm wanes when it becomes an endless war. We got bin laden. We got a bunch of people in the long forgotten gitmo until it quietly disappears by attrition one day. In a meaningful sense, we won.
I do believe in a strong national defense. But not endless wars on multiple fronts. We need to pick one battle front, like China, and shout "Ye Ha!"
The Electoral College voting is an affirmative action program for low populated states.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 17 2021, @08:50PM (2 children)
We didn't go to Iraq for Osama.
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Friday June 18 2021, @03:32PM (1 child)
I wasn't thinking Iraq, but Afghanistan and 9/11.
We went to Iraq the 2nd time so that GW Bush could finish daddy's war. Because HW Bush had to agree not to "conquer" Iraq, and other conditions required by some nations, so that an international coalition could be formed against Iraq for invading Kuwait.
The Electoral College voting is an affirmative action program for low populated states.
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Friday June 18 2021, @03:47PM
I should have been thinking of Iraq since that was what TFA was about.
The Electoral College voting is an affirmative action program for low populated states.
(Score: 3, Funny) by Runaway1956 on Thursday June 17 2021, @10:03PM (12 children)
What AC said. We didn't go to Iraq for bin Laden. We didn't go to Iraq to fight Al Queda. We didn't go to Iraq for "weapons of mass destruction". We didn't even go to Iraq to avenge blackened Kurd bodies left lying in the sun after the mustard attacks. We certainly didn't go to Iraq to avenge the atrocities committed in Iran, or in Kuwait.
We went to Iraq because George Bush is an oil baron's son, and we wanted that oil. We went to Iraq because it made George's little pecker hard to think of blowing camel jockeys away with tanks and jets. It was personal for George, and I think it was personal for Georges number one advisor, Cheney. We hanged Saddam Hussein because Bush/Cheney were a pair of evil sons of bitches. And, congress allowed them to do what they did in Iraq because every congress critter at the time was pissing his pants in fear of 9/11, in fear of the Beltway shooter, in fear of the Anthrax scare, and in fear of their own shadows.
And, don't forget the profit motive. Congress critters who were not invested in the Military Industrial Complex were certainly being b̴r̴i̴b̴e̴d̴ lobbied by the MIC.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Friday June 18 2021, @03:14AM (9 children)
:-) That's funny stuff.. And you're still convinced we went into Afghanistan to chase after Bin Laden? I mean, even if he did it, you still think he was there, because the same people that lied about Iraq weren't lying then? That's quite a switch-a-roo there. How does that work? Sorry, it's just that curiosity always gets the best of me
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday June 18 2021, @03:46AM (8 children)
The difference is, bin Laden was in Afghanistan. He was there, and he laughed at us for not having the guts to get into the trenches, and fight, up close and personal.
We've gone over this before. We had reason to go in. We didn't have reason to stay for 20 years, doing fuck-all while we were there.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Friday June 18 2021, @03:51AM (7 children)
:-) Yes, of course he was..
I am truly fascinated by this
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday June 18 2021, @04:28AM (6 children)
I don't think you're fascinated. You're mocking, because you don't think bin Laden was in Afghanistan. Maybe you can explain why bin Laden would not go to Tora Bora? Those caves served him well when he and his Al Queda were fighting the Soviet invasion. Why wouldn't he fight on familiar, home turf?
I don't know - maybe you've forgotten that he financed a good portion of the Afghan war against the Soviet. You've forgotten that he was an experienced fighter. He didn't spend his entire life building highways and highrises, he soldiered as well.
Some reminders:
https://www.newsweek.com/qa-inside-hunt-bin-laden-tora-bora-92419 [newsweek.com]
https://www.americanspecialops.com/operations/delta-force-hunt-bin-laden/ [americanspecialops.com]
https://www.irishexaminer.com/world/arid-30041059.html [irishexaminer.com]
https://www.cnn.com/2015/03/11/world/osama-bin-laden-hideout-photos/index.html [cnn.com]
https://www.brookings.edu/opinions/did-military-misstep-let-bin-laden-escape/ [brookings.edu]
I'll forgive you if you barf on the American leadership's self-congratulatory tone in those articles. They failed, but they pretend to have succeeded - at something. But, I'm quite certain that bin Laden was there, under our noses, and laughing at us.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Friday June 18 2021, @04:42AM
Even if for the sake of argument we was in Afghanistan "under our noses", it can only mean we weren't going after him. If we were after him, it would not have taken ten years to find him. You're so positive we knew he was in Afghanistan, but you couldn't find him? Please.. The whole story is not plausible. It is war mongering bullshit. We had business in Afghanistan that required our immediate attention, and it wasn't Bin Laden. Even you admitted a profit motive for Iraq. Afghanistan is identical. Full of lies
Rumor has it they found him in Pakistan
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Friday June 18 2021, @05:44AM (2 children)
Sorry, couldn't resist:
Yeah, for money. War is a business, just like the highrises. Really, you gotta drop all the ideological *cosmik debris*.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday June 18 2021, @01:55PM (1 child)
https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2015/03/11/tsr-dnt-brown-osama-bin-laden-images.cnn/video/playlists/osama-bin-laden/ [cnn.com]
27 videos - some of them informative
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Friday June 18 2021, @03:19PM
Sorry, not from CNN they're not. Just more produced propaganda and a belligerent's word of mouth, which you are taking at face value. Looks exactly like the vids from the movie. No third/fourth/fifth party verification. You're barking up a tree without a paddle. The invasion was based on a lie, when the only plausible reason is staring you in the face, you choose to believe the lie. Why this one and not the other, I guess we'll never know.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Friday June 18 2021, @03:35PM (1 child)
You should expect that if what you say makes too much sense.
The Electoral College voting is an affirmative action program for low populated states.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Friday June 18 2021, @04:02PM
He's not making sense. The invasion was unjustified. The support of one lie and not another blows up all credibility. And I am curious about the mindset. Reading about it is not the same as seeing it live.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Friday June 18 2021, @03:33PM (1 child)
I wasn't thinking of Iraq.
The Electoral College voting is an affirmative action program for low populated states.
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Friday June 18 2021, @03:48PM
I should have been thinking of Iraq since that was what the topic was about.
The Electoral College voting is an affirmative action program for low populated states.