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posted by martyb on Tuesday July 06 2021, @10:22PM   Printer-friendly
from the product-name-fits? dept.

Audacity facing scrutiny after new privacy policy allows data collection, makes app 13+

Muse Group (the owners of MuseScore and Ultimate Guitar) recently acquired Audacity in early May. On July 2nd, a new privacy policy for the app was posted to the app's website. Audacity did not previously have any sort of privacy policy in place for the app on their website, so there is no prior archived version of this page before its original publishing on July 2nd.

Much of this new privacy policy is harmless and, realistically, only exists for protecting the interests of Muse Group in any instance of legal trouble. However, users are frustrated over some of the choices made in this document.

Notably, the privacy policy includes the following: "The App we provide is not intended for individuals below the age of 13. If you are under 13 years old, please do not use the App." [...] In addition to the concerns raised by educators, the privacy policy seems to imply that if contacted by law enforcement, there is no limitation on what data they may collect.

See also: Audacity has been acquired by Muse Group, which also owns MuseScore and Ultimate Guitar (May 4)
Audio editor Audacity has the audacity to add telemetry collection -- and users are not happy (May 8)
Telemetry Debate Rocks Audacity Community In Open Source Dustup (May 17)
Audacity reverses course on plans to add opt-in telemetry after outcry (May 17)
Audio editor Audacity denies spyware accusations (June 6)


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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 06 2021, @10:30PM (2 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 06 2021, @10:30PM (#1153473)

    until a fork comes out victorious! there can only be one...

    • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 06 2021, @11:59PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 06 2021, @11:59PM (#1153495)

      There is a fork on github. [github.com] It should be seen as a bargining chip. Tantacrul did good work on Musescore, his sybillius videos were brilliant. [youtube.com] Seems like a decent guy so I'm hopeful he can work with the new owner to fix the privacy issues with telemetry.

      Audacity is clunky anyway, someone should update Sweep. [metadecks.org]

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 07 2021, @12:58AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 07 2021, @12:58AM (#1153518)

      That onky works on 13 of the 436 current Linux distros...

  • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 06 2021, @10:33PM (2 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 06 2021, @10:33PM (#1153474)

    Why did they buy audacity in the first place? What do they want out of it?

    • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 06 2021, @10:53PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 06 2021, @10:53PM (#1153480)

      Because it's considered the dumber of the two most popular DAWs (the other being Ardour), and being dumb appeals to Mac-faggots who did all their work in GarageBand but are too broke to afford a new Mac to show off to those around them.

      Now let's talk about Ardour -- they make you pay for the precompiled version. Looks like Linux is no longer "free as in beer" if you want to do anything other than browse the web or edit text files, unless you want to spend more time researching and tweeking than actually using the program. Welcome to 2005!

      If you want to record music on Linux without either of those two, for free, then you're stuck with the typical Linux compromise of shitty and cryptic UI's, crash-causing bugs, drum machines without time signatures, and incompatibility with all the third-party plugins you like...although it's not like Audacity and Ardour also don't have those problems to some degree.

      That is the kind of world you get when Purple-haired Jewish trannies dominate your OS/app ecosystem. Modern Linux is like the COVID vaccines, only greedy salivating Jews are pushing it, but there are a lot of those noisy fuckers to create the illusion of consensus (when, in fact, it's consensus by gunpoint since the woke mob took over). The rest moved back to Windows, where shit just works, or on to something else like BSD that has all the functionality of 2002-era Linux.

      • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Wednesday July 07 2021, @02:27AM

        by fustakrakich (6150) on Wednesday July 07 2021, @02:27AM (#1153539) Journal

        Now let's talk about Ardour -- they make you pay for the precompiled version.

        Personally, I think you are full of shit mistaken [slackware.nl], but I was amused

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  • (Score: 2, Interesting) by Gaaark on Tuesday July 06 2021, @10:52PM (4 children)

    by Gaaark (41) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday July 06 2021, @10:52PM (#1153479) Journal

    did Audacity ever do music over a network? My memory says no.

    For playing music, i just use Plex: wireless it to my headphones and cut the grass or whatever. Easy peasy since i already have it set up for TV, movies...

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    • (Score: 2) by Tork on Tuesday July 06 2021, @10:53PM (2 children)

      by Tork (3914) on Tuesday July 06 2021, @10:53PM (#1153481)
      I'm too lazy to look it up but wasn't it an audio recording/editing app, not a player?
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      • (Score: 2, Disagree) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday July 06 2021, @10:59PM (1 child)

        by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday July 06 2021, @10:59PM (#1153482) Homepage Journal

        Audacity is a multi-track audio editor for Linux/Unix, MacOS and
        Windows. It is designed for easy recording, playing and editing of
        digital audio. Audacity features digital effects and spectrum
        analysis tools. Editing is very fast and provides unlimited
        undo/redo.

        In some of my distro hopping, Audacity was installed by default, instead of something like VLC or whatever. Yeah, it's an editor, but it's also a player.

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        • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 06 2021, @11:26PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 06 2021, @11:26PM (#1153489)

          It's as much a music player as Microsoft Word is a txt file reader.

    • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 07 2021, @09:25PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 07 2021, @09:25PM (#1153829)

      plex! lmao. what a fag.

  • (Score: 3, Funny) by Rosco P. Coltrane on Tuesday July 06 2021, @11:01PM (2 children)

    by Rosco P. Coltrane (4757) on Tuesday July 06 2021, @11:01PM (#1153484)

    Screw Audacity. Real men make music in Emacs [vimeo.com].

    • (Score: 2) by RS3 on Wednesday July 07 2021, @12:04AM

      by RS3 (6367) on Wednesday July 07 2021, @12:04AM (#1153498)

      I use ed. :-} Too nerdy?

    • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 07 2021, @12:52AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 07 2021, @12:52AM (#1153516)

      E-what? I bang rocks.

  • (Score: 4, Insightful) by RS3 on Tuesday July 06 2021, @11:58PM (7 children)

    by RS3 (6367) on Tuesday July 06 2021, @11:58PM (#1153494)

    Gave up on Audacity, Ardour, etc., long ago.

    I've been using Reaper a lot for recording / editing. Can be a great player too.

    Foobar2000, MediaMonkey are great players if you need some fancy features. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_audio_player_software [wikipedia.org]

    I usually just use VLC. Does great transcoding, like from .mp4 to .mp3, although UI is wonky. Sometimes it just does nothing and you have to try try again.

    • (Score: 2) by epitaxial on Wednesday July 07 2021, @12:10AM (2 children)

      by epitaxial (3165) on Wednesday July 07 2021, @12:10AM (#1153500)

      I still play mp3s with Winamp.

      • (Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 07 2021, @04:27AM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 07 2021, @04:27AM (#1153581)

        I still play mp3s with Winamp.

        It really whips the llama's ass!

        • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 07 2021, @09:54AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 07 2021, @09:54AM (#1153632)

          A distant relative of mine owns an event space and DJs from time to time just for the fun of it. As a joke at his own wedding there, they kept playing that clip randomly in the mix. It was often enough that you definitely noticed at least once but not too much that it felt overdone after you did. As people got drunker, they literally started cheering when the DJ played it.

    • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 07 2021, @12:17AM (3 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 07 2021, @12:17AM (#1153503)

      Think of all the "fun" [github.com] you're missing!

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 07 2021, @08:46PM (2 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 07 2021, @08:46PM (#1153809)

        Let me get this straight, the fuckwits at 4chan tried to murder the lead Tenacity developer because it conflicts with their joke fork? They are making it very hard to oppose the death penalty.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 08 2021, @09:08AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 08 2021, @09:08AM (#1153942)

          From one of the threads he linked:

          This dude tried to report my Twitter account for calling him a baby

          He is not trolling or pretending. He's just a pathetic attention whore

          I love that Germans can't report anyone on Twitter without the reported user being notified

          That's more believable than the story about 4chantards banging on his windows in Palo Alto.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 10 2021, @12:58PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 10 2021, @12:58PM (#1154586)

          That "lead developer" is a liar and/or schizo. Nobody banged on his windows or stabbed him in the arm.

          https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/events/sneedacity-tenacity-harassment-controversy [knowyourmeme.com]

  • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 07 2021, @02:48AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 07 2021, @02:48AM (#1153548)

    It sounds like they said "crap, we need a privacy policy. Grab some boilerplate apps are using these days"

  • (Score: 3, Funny) by Eratosthenes on Wednesday July 07 2021, @03:32AM (1 child)

    by Eratosthenes (13959) on Wednesday July 07 2021, @03:32AM (#1153568) Journal

    So, some descendant of the Korean royal family (defunct) purchases something, that was an open-source free software thing, and now it is being filled with white space and whored for profit? What do we do, Soylentils? And When do we do it?

    AuckFudacious! (OK, not quite the same ring to it, needs more cowbell.)

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    • (Score: 2, Informative) by Eratosthenes on Wednesday July 07 2021, @04:49AM

      by Eratosthenes (13959) on Wednesday July 07 2021, @04:49AM (#1153583) Journal

      Oh, what sad days are these, when even a appeal to the founding cry of Soylentils can be modded Flamebait! Someone should be asshamed of their self.

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  • (Score: 3, Informative) by Fnord666 on Wednesday July 07 2021, @04:50AM (6 children)

    by Fnord666 (652) on Wednesday July 07 2021, @04:50AM (#1153584) Homepage
    No, open source Audacity audio editor is not “spyware” [arstechnica.com]

    Over the fourth of July weekend, several open source news outlets began warning readers that the popular open source audio editing app Audacity is now "spyware."

    This would be very alarming if true—there aren't any obvious successors or alternatives which meet the same use cases. Audacity is free and open source, relatively easy to use, cross platform, and ideally suited for simple "prosumer" tasks like editing raw audio into finished podcasts.

    However, the negativity seems to be both massively overblown and quite late. While the team has announced that Audacity will begin collecting telemetry, it's neither overly broad in scope nor aggressive in how it acquires the data—and the majority of the real concerns were addressed two months ago, to the apparent satisfaction of the actual Audacity community.

    [...] The May 7 update states that "telemetry is strictly optional and disabled by default" (emphasis crsib's), that telemetry only works in builds made by GitHub CI from the official repository, and that anyone compiling Audacity from source will be given a CMake option to enable the telemetry code—but that the option, and therefore building the telemetry functions, would be off by default.

    This three-days-later update to a still-provisional telemetry policy removed the only reasonable sticking point: whether users' data might be collected without their specific approval. Not only is the data collection opt-in, the functions used to collect that data in the first place are extremely easy to remove, are designed to be easy to remove, and are in fact removed automatically for anyone building the source code themselves (which would include Linux distribution repositories).

    • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 07 2021, @05:43AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 07 2021, @05:43AM (#1153594)

      This whole article is weird, trying to argue against this weekend's problem with the previous problem's various outcomes from several weeks ago.

      This weekend, there are problematic things with the privacy policy, and everyone claiming it's not a problem is arguing for/against the previous case with telemetry.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 07 2021, @02:27PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 07 2021, @02:27PM (#1153698)

      For now...

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 07 2021, @09:34PM (3 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 07 2021, @09:34PM (#1153832)

      Where is the option to get the version with no telemetry? If there is no such thing, then telemetry is not optional.

      • (Score: 2) by Fnord666 on Thursday July 08 2021, @12:20AM (2 children)

        by Fnord666 (652) on Thursday July 08 2021, @12:20AM (#1153866) Homepage

        Where is the option to get the version with no telemetry? If there is no such thing, then telemetry is not optional.

        [...] The May 7 update states that "telemetry is strictly optional and disabled by default" (emphasis crsib's), that telemetry only works in builds made by GitHub CI from the official repository, and that anyone compiling Audacity from source will be given a CMake option to enable the telemetry code—but that the option, and therefore building the telemetry functions, would be off by default.

        Unless I'm misinterpreting this statement, it sounds like if you build from source the telemetry functionality will not be compiled in at all.

        • (Score: 3, Insightful) by DeVilla on Friday July 09 2021, @06:19AM (1 child)

          by DeVilla (5354) on Friday July 09 2021, @06:19AM (#1154209)

          But if some windows user just downloads it from the official website, they get the voyeur enhanced version. Now I can't recommend friends download it any more. They aren't going to have a toolchain installed much less know how to use it.

          • (Score: 2) by Fnord666 on Saturday July 10 2021, @03:24PM

            by Fnord666 (652) on Saturday July 10 2021, @03:24PM (#1154614) Homepage

            But if some windows user just downloads it from the official website, they get the voyeur enhanced version. Now I can't recommend friends download it any more. They aren't going to have a toolchain installed much less know how to use it.

            This is true. My hope would be that someone would do a voyeur free build and make it available for download. Hard to know who to trust though i guess when you're downloading binaries.

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