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The New York Times has coverage on the phenomenon of Developer Bootcamps, that claim to do in a matter of a couple of months what used to take at least a couple of years for an associate's degree. These cram courses are apparently getting about a 75% job placement rate.
Have any Soylentils either gone through these programs, or worked with others who have? If so, what are your experiences?
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(Score: 2) by PizzaRollPlinkett on Wednesday October 15 2014, @04:22PM
Yeah, all that matters is cheap. Quality doesn't matter. Experience doesn't matter. Careers are becoming impossible. Just churn out as many barely-functional "coders" to make unmaintainable code that will have to be rewritten to be improved in the future. No one cares about anything but getting sloppy, barely-functioning code working as cheaply as possible. Really sad, because I've basically devoted my working life to writing solid, maintainable, robust, well-designed code that can be extended and built upon. And that's basically worthless these days. It's getting to where a career isn't possible in software development, because no one wants experience. All that matters is cheap. Do it cheap today, and rewrite it cheap tomorrow if changes are needed. "Coders" are not professionals with careers, they're people who have minimal training and are used and discarded by companies. How many of these bootcamp people will be around in a few years? Probably none. But there will be a new batch going through these bootcamps, taking free online courses, and so on. I never thought I would see the software development career field turn into this.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 15 2014, @04:30PM
and what exactly is the problem with this?
We real world developers are just getting more job security.
Who else is going to fix all the fuckups?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 15 2014, @05:27PM
Who else is going to fix all the fuckups?
The consulting group in india. They have years of experience doing exactly that. They just dont tell you they have no one that has years of experience doing it but the company does!
I did not know how bad it was until I had to 'mange a group from india'. We hired 5 people for 20k. Out of that 5 maybe 1 or 2 were any good. I could flip out the crappy ones for better ones until I had a decent crew. 20K... That is what you are competing against.
(Score: 2) by Sir Garlon on Wednesday October 15 2014, @05:48PM
I remain convinced that software is the critical infrastructure of modern society and there will always be a place for professionals who can design and implement reliable software. It's just that there is also a place for slapdash "coders" who throw together crappy Web apps or iPhone apps and then move on to the next thing.
To draw an analogy with the building trades, I see a lot of builders who do cheap work on houses hiring low-skilled crews who can't (or don't) make the floors level and the walls plumb. Those contractors are not the same contractors who do heavy construction: bridges, dams, large buildings. The fact that a lot of houses are thrown together as cheaply as possible does not threaten the careers of the civil engineers and licensed welders and architects and electricians who work on the big projects.
If you are an engineer or a craftsman who finds himself working for a fly-by-night company, then your only problem is that you have to move to somewhere that will respect your professionalism. But that's in your best interest anyway.
[Sir Garlon] is the marvellest knight that is now living, for he destroyeth many good knights, for he goeth invisible.
(Score: 1) by ghost on Wednesday October 15 2014, @07:14PM
(Score: 2) by VLM on Wednesday October 15 2014, @11:59PM
Exactly.
claim to do in a matter of a couple of months what used to take at least a couple of years for an associate's degree.
I don't live in the bay area and my associates wasn't / isn't worth toilet paper. (What it was worth was 56 of the cheapest transfer credits I ever earned toward the eventual BSCS but thats another topic)
Even worse I don't think the bubble has the half year left that it would take to get the piece of toilet paper.