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posted by mrpg on Monday July 19 2021, @04:14AM   Printer-friendly
from the 35°C-TW dept.

How hot is too hot for the human body?:

Some climate models predict that we're going to start hitting wet-bulb temperatures over 95 °F by the middle of the 21st century. Other researchers say we're already there. In a study published in 2020, researchers showed that some places in the subtropics have already reported such conditions—and they're getting more common.

While most researchers agree that a wet-bulb temperature of 95 °F is unlivable for most humans, the reality is that less extreme conditions can be deadly too. We've only hit those wet-bulb temperatures on Earth a few times, but heat kills people around the world every year.

[...] Heat acclimatization builds up over time: It can start in as little as a few days, and the whole process can take six weeks or longer, Hanna says. People who are more acclimatized to heat sweat more, and their sweat is more diluted, meaning they lose fewer electrolytes through their sweat. This can protect the body from dehydration and heart and kidney problems, Hanna says.

Acclimatization is why heat waves in cooler places, or heat waves early in summer, are more likely to be deadly than the same conditions in hotter places or later in summer. It's not just that places like Canada and Seattle are less likely to have air conditioning, although infrastructure is another big factor in how deadly heat waves will be. Residents of cooler places are also just less acclimatized to the heat, so wet-bulb temperatures below 95 °F can be deadly.

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  • (Score: 2) by fakefuck39 on Sunday July 25 2021, @12:48PM (11 children)

    by fakefuck39 (6620) on Sunday July 25 2021, @12:48PM (#1159755)

    I contributed quite a bit. Showed graphs, data, and explanations, and why I think one group is right and the other is not. Your contribution was "data is wrong, scientists are wrong."

    >I see evidence that CO2 levels and global mean temperature correlate
    this explains a lot actually. the physical defect in your brain is your eyes see one thing, and it gets distorted by the time it gets to your brain - bad wiring.

    correlate means when one goes up, so does the other. when one drops, so does the other. the graph I linked does not do that. your conclusion: they correlate. also your conclusion: the data is wrong.

    >greenhouse gases warming
    yes sherlock. there's the eye thing. the geologists think there is a weak correlation. As in you double the CO2 and temp goes up 1%. while the other 99%, as shown by the graph, comes from something else.

    >The size of the tribe or the length of study doesn't make someone more or less right.
    I see, so how long you study and collect the evidence, and how many scientists agree on a certain viewpoint doesn't make it right. In fact, it's meaningless, because you feel a certain way. That was pretty clear. People with autism are usually ruled by emotion.

    >I'll note that the model also explains well warming over the past century
    strangely, if you look on the graph for the last million years, where we do have more granular data, we've been through global warming 7 times already. before cars, before cows, before people.

    But I do love this insight into your brain defect - it entertains me. It's like in your head is a rotting kitchen sponge, just making up anything you want to feel about the world around you. words, pictures, probably sounds. That and complete rejection by society at large, it's like you're being punished by god for existing. Every day. And it will never stop.

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  • (Score: 0, Redundant) by khallow on Monday July 26 2021, @08:38AM (10 children)

    by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Monday July 26 2021, @08:38AM (#1159934) Journal

    graphs, data, and explanations

    Those can be evidence, but you need more than their mere existence. Even badly wrong theories have figured out how to use these things. Let's review the key graph [wikipedia.org] that's holding you back. It's a graph of CO2 concentration in atmosphere and temperature. There's a very high correlation between the two, for example, peaks and troughs between the two. Any peak in CO2 (that remains a peak for say 50k years) has a peak in temperature nearby and vice versa. Troughs don't correlate quite as well, but it's pretty close too with low parts in one data set matching the low parts in the other.

    Right there, I have graphs, data, and an explanation. What makes yours better than mine especially when your data is better explained by my explanation?

    • (Score: 2) by fakefuck39 on Monday July 26 2021, @08:44AM (9 children)

      by fakefuck39 (6620) on Monday July 26 2021, @08:44AM (#1159938)

      >Right there, I have graphs, data, and an explanation.
      you have actually provided none of that - all you've done is claim "data is wrong because datapoints are 10k years apart" - why does that make it wrong? Oh because. But let's say you weren't a dense and autistic social reject.

      What I said was, I was first on the side of the meteorologists, then looked at what the geologists were saying and now agree with this other group of scientists. I then invited people to change my mind with their explanations, as I'm fully onboard with that. You then went on a 50-response autistic garble of nothing.

      Which, again, is what I'm here for. I would never actually have an intellectual discussion with someone like you, or on this site. I am here so you can say autistic things, and I can then call you an autist. Repeatedly, and neverending - like your autism.

      • (Score: 0, Redundant) by khallow on Monday July 26 2021, @08:47AM (8 children)

        by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Monday July 26 2021, @08:47AM (#1159940) Journal

        you have actually provided none of that

        An ice core study going back 800k years or so says otherwise.

        • (Score: 2) by fakefuck39 on Monday July 26 2021, @09:09AM (7 children)

          by fakefuck39 (6620) on Monday July 26 2021, @09:09AM (#1159951)

          It's strange. You can clearly go back and reread my responses to that, yet you choose to keep being called an incel and repeating the conversation. Cool.

          The study shows we have had this climate change 7 times already in the last 800k years. My claim, as is the geologists' is that Human climate change is tiny, and the rest is caused by something else. It is that CO2 does cause climate change, on a tiny scale. You are moving your goal posts, because your autistic incel brain needs to be right, and you're too dumb to actually provide the reasoning.

          The argument is against the climate change being caused by Humans. You provide a graph with the same climate change we have now, happening 7 times before there were any humans around. Good job retard.

          • (Score: 0, Redundant) by khallow on Monday July 26 2021, @04:00PM (6 children)

            by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Monday July 26 2021, @04:00PM (#1160028) Journal

            My claim, as is the geologists' is that Human climate change is tiny, and the rest is caused by something else.

            Tiny is a matter of opinion. But we can say that human climate change causes significant, observable changes in climate.

            For example, about 10% of the Earth's surface (about 40% of land area) has been modified for human use (such as agriculture, pastureland, roads, and urban areas) and we have significant movement and extinction of organisms which can affect climate on a continental scale (ant and rodent invasive species, large mammal extinctions, invasive plants that increase fuel load for wildfires - anything that can change albedo on that scale). As I've noted before, CO2 concentrations are higher now than we've observed from those ice cores (with isotope analysis indicating most of that new CO2 likely comes from human activity).

            We have a solid physical model that predicts about three quarters of the observed global warming of the past 150 or so years comes from human activity, given our estimates of human contributions to CO2 and other greenhouse gases concentrations in the atmosphere. On that last point, what's the better model? When climatologists add more complexity, they predict a lot more heating (the consensus of 3 C long term warming per doubling of CO2 is twice the warming predicted from the above model and some models predict a lot more than that). Nobody has a model that predicts less warming than the Arrhenius base model - not even the climate skeptics.

            There's not much point to data like the hundreds of millions scale data that ignores a variety of confounding factors (continental-scale geology, evolution of plant cover, and atmospheric pressure/density) as well as the absence of the human-driven dynamics of present day climate change.

            You provide a graph with the same climate change we have now, happening 7 times before there were any humans around.

            The fact that climate changes doesn't indicate the impossibility of significant human-caused climate change. Indeed, it shows the opposite, that such is possible.

            • (Score: 2) by fakefuck39 on Monday July 26 2021, @07:26PM (5 children)

              by fakefuck39 (6620) on Monday July 26 2021, @07:26PM (#1160123)

              >continental-scale geology, evolution of plant cover, and atmospheric pressure/density
              we know all of those things lol

              >observed global warming of the past 150 or so years
              yes, because when we're talking long-term climate change for an entire huge planet in a solar system, we want to look at the day to day, not the millions of years of history. again, lol.

              >climate changes doesn't indicate the impossibility
              and it doesn't indicate the impossibility of 5th dimension flying unicorns either. the autist's conclusion from this is apparently "see, proof of flying unicorns." you should start a religion for the tards.

              • (Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday July 27 2021, @05:28AM (4 children)

                by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday July 27 2021, @05:28AM (#1160290) Journal

                and it doesn't indicate the impossibility of 5th dimension flying unicorns either.

                Really? Sounds like it's not good for much then!

                The problem is that not demonstrating what you want to show is a more serious problem than those 5-dim unicorns.

                • (Score: 2) by fakefuck39 on Wednesday July 28 2021, @06:11PM (3 children)

                  by fakefuck39 (6620) on Wednesday July 28 2021, @06:11PM (#1160721)

                  It takes a real dense dimwit to not realize the unicorn is your conclusion. You know, because you literally used that exact wording about impossibility. But I'm glad you agree with me that you're completely full of crap.

                  >The problem is that not demonstrating what you want to show
                  right - when the data demonstrates the opposite of what you want to show, you just call the data wrong or useless. whatever keeps you in your little world, refreshing tabs, switching vpn connections, and posting little ac freakout songs all over the place. the effort you make, just to talk online - knowing you make that effort, just for me, is very gratifying. thank you autistic incel - never change. are you watching japanese unicorn girl cartoon porn today, or does the japanese rubber doll need some lovin? do you think of creaming creimer when you make love to the doll?

                  • (Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday July 29 2021, @05:22AM (2 children)

                    by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Thursday July 29 2021, @05:22AM (#1160927) Journal

                    It takes a real dense dimwit to not realize the unicorn is your conclusion.

                    Apparently, it takes more commonsense than you have to notice that you're the one who brought up the unicorns.

                    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 29 2021, @05:33AM (1 child)

                      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 29 2021, @05:33AM (#1160930)

                      me: you're arguing proving a negative, like that flying unicorns don't exist
                      you: i'm autistic and have trouble reading when i don't take my pills. now go away, my asian rubber doll awaits sex
                      me: yes, however the physical brain defect caused by your autism is not curable, and you will be a dense incel for the remainder of your days. what's it like to live in a brain fog, unable to understand basic sentences? what's it like having sex with dolls? what's it like to be insanely ugly and disgusting to the opposite sex?

                      • (Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday July 29 2021, @05:43AM

                        by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Thursday July 29 2021, @05:43AM (#1160932) Journal

                        me: you're arguing proving a negative, like that flying unicorns don't exist

                        Except, of course, the scenario would be that you would give seven examples of flying unicorns being made naturally, and then arguing that somehow shows that humans can't make them too.

                        In other words, climate change has nature cooties so humans can't do climate change.