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Hemmingway Destroys Dem Narrative on Vaccines: 61% of Vaccine Hesitant People are NOT Republicans
Steve Straub By Steve Straub
Published July 19, 2021 at 6:04amDemocrats and their media allies like to claim that the vast majority of vaccine hesitant people are Republicans who get bad information from Fox News or Facebook.
The truth is the exact opposite as Mollie Hemmingway explains to Maura Liasson:
Rather than editorialize further, here’s the transcript of this exchange, it stands by itself:
LIASSON: “Well, you know, what we’ve heard from public health officials who has studied the way to communicate about the vaccine is that people need to hear from medical experts and get their questions answered.
In other words, the vaccine problem is not going to be solved by people calling Fauci a hack or people calling right-wing talk show hosts some kind of — I don’t know what they were calling them, but attacking them for raising questions about the vaccine.
You have to go to people where they are. What I also think is interesting about this whole controversy, it’s a big debate happening without Donald Trump. Donald Trump is proud of what he did to get the vaccines online fast.
A lot of his supporters don’t want to take them. He’s had the vaccine. He’s talked in favor of it. So I think this is kind of interesting. This is a big polarized debate and a it’s missing an element that has been present in almost every polarized debate in the last five years.”
HEMINGWAY: “If I can just point — just really quickly, this is one of the examples that you see, people make it out like it’s the Republicans that don’t want to take the vaccine. In fact, 61% of the people who are hesitant about the vaccines are not Republican. And the more the media make it out that it’s something that’s partisan, that will also going to contribute to the problems.
The more that they fail to remind people that it was President Biden and Vice President Harris, when they were running for office, who said that they didn’t have trust in the vaccine, that also makes people not trust what the media are saying.
So I think we need to be very careful and not have forgetfulness about what was happening during the campaign when the vaccine messaging was very different.”
Mollie Hemmingway really nailed that.
I agree with Mollie Hemmingway that the Biden / Harris team made a major contribution to vaccine hesitancy during the campaign by putting it down if it resulted from a Trump effort.
The administration also continues to contribute via their constant flip-flops, lack of consistency on the benefits of being vaccinated and lately, constant talk of being okay with local mandates.
After all, what ever happened to “my body, my choice?”
The Biden administration would be wise to look inward in trying to figure out why so many are hesitant to take the vaccine instead of blaming Fox News, Facebook and others.
Sadly, we all know by now that the likelihood of that happening is almost zero.
https://thefederalistpapers.org/us/hemmingway-destroys-dem-narrative-vaccines-61-vaccine-hesitant-people-not-republicans
further reading:
https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/americas-vaccine-hesitant-demographics/
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-vaccine-hesitancy-presidential-encouragement/
https://www.aei.org/op-eds/if-biden-wants-to-convince-the-vaccine-hesitant-give-trump-credit-for-the-vaccines/
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/democrats-have-become-the-party-of-anti-vaxxers
https://www.wfae.org/politics/2021-04-17/are-covid-19-vaccination-rates-as-simple-as-republicans-vs-democrats
The AP story notes that polls have shown Republicans to be more vaccine-hesitant than Democrats. It doesn’t mention that some African Americans are wary about being vaccinated, although recent polls show vaccine hesitancy is declining among Black Americans.
The five worst-performing states per the AP analysis are also some of the states with the highest percentage of Black residents. Mississippi is the worst-performing state in terms of vaccine performance; it also has the highest percentage of African American residents. Louisiana has the second-highest percentage of Black residents, and it’s in the bottom five in terms of vaccine performance.
And New Hampshire? It’s one of the whitest states in the Union, where less than 1% of residents are Black.
That is not to say that African Americans are the main reason some states are lagging in vaccines. But it could be a factor.
Louisiana residents could be grouped two ways: Black Democrats and white conservatives. There is no significant constituency of white Democrats – the group that’s most enthusiastic about getting jabbed.
If you buy into simplistic CNN and Democrat explanations for vax hesitancy, you are a fool.
(Score: 2) by Reziac on Monday July 19 2021, @04:04PM
....the voice of "David Seville"....
And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.
(Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 19 2021, @04:18PM (15 children)
OK, so are you and all the other right-wingers going to go out and convince all your Trumper friends to get vaccinated, since being anti-vax is now supposedly a Democrat thing?
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Azuma Hazuki on Monday July 19 2021, @04:20PM (7 children)
I think we all know the answer to that one...
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 19 2021, @04:22PM (5 children)
ditto for you - you can't read, or you didn't read?
(Score: 2, Insightful) by FatPhil on Monday July 19 2021, @05:26PM (4 children)
Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people; the smallest discuss themselves
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Azuma Hazuki on Monday July 19 2021, @07:28PM
LOL, are you serious? That AC was Runaway? What a complete derp-a-saurus that guy is.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 19 2021, @07:42PM (2 children)
You appear to be accusing OP of logging in on a separate account, to post to his own journal? Hmmm - would that separate account be FatPhil?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sock_puppet_account [wikipedia.org]
Naturally, I have no way to verify that AC and Runaway are one and the same. Strange, though, that a member of staff feels it necessary to disclose the confidential information available through administrator's controls. That should give any member pause to think.
Fortunately, I have never logged in directly, so Soylent has no record of my real IP address. Hopefully, all members are logging in via VPN/TOR/proxy so that corrupt staff members can't sell you to the FBI/Mossad/FSB/GCHQ/whatever.
Pick one, and use it Soylentils!! https://www.pcmag.com/picks/the-best-vpn-services [pcmag.com]
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 19 2021, @09:36PM
They also say they believed in "total transparency" but made multiple references to a secret, invite-only channel. That must be where they get the orders from the FBI/Mossad/FSB/GCHQ/whatever handlers. Be sure not to forget about their Bolshevik Jewish cutouts like the ADL and who-knows-what-else. I hope they got paid for my information up front, because there's already a huge stack of vaccine skeptics and possible online racial slur users waiting to be processed and it'll be a while before the Antifa/BLM police stop by. I was starting to wonder how a bot-farm with the same few topics posted in rotation and no real users dissenting under their username was able to stay afloat.
And here I was thinking that they all got their orders from the most recent edition of The Jewish Monthly newsletter (for Jewish eyes only), in which the cover article said, "Okay, fellow Jews, it's time to stop pretending and pull off the mask, after which you will say 'HAHA it really was me all along, do-gooders!' while laughing maniacally and rubbing hands."
Glad the intelligence agencies are hard at work spending our tax dollars watching people who question vaccines and make the occasional racial slur online! I'm glad they have their priorities straight chasing down rope loops in construction sites -- it's not like we have attacks on infrastructure, escalating crime, record corruption in politics, drugs flowing through open borders, rampant espionage, or any other problems they could deal with!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 23 2021, @03:26AM
FatPhil didn't disclose anything, merely suggested that someone sock puppeting in their own journal is silly. I take the opposite position though, if someone sock puppets then they would be more likely to sock puppet in their own journal. Not that I think he was sock puppeting either, with so many Q types around it is hard to differentiate.
(Score: 3, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 20 2021, @12:29AM
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 19 2021, @04:20PM (2 children)
You can't read, or you didn't read?
(Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 19 2021, @05:10PM (1 child)
Can you read?
I see nothing addressing whether runaway will spread the pro-vaxx message.
(Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 19 2021, @05:20PM
Nor is there anything in there that suggests the Creepy Joe administration is reaching out to BLM and Antifa to get vaxxed.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 19 2021, @07:09PM (3 children)
The thing that I continue to find most bemusing is people not only defining their ideology in terms of "anti-whatever-the-other-side-does" but then assuming that "the other side" does the exact same thing.
It's so weird that the idea of people simply thinking for themselves and making their own decisions is something that's a borderline revolutionary concept in the current American political zeitgeist.
(Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 19 2021, @07:24PM (2 children)
That's the whole point. Trumpers very often define their entire political outlook as "Stickin' it to duhh libs!" since they don't actually understand the issues very well. They have done a complete 180-degree turn on many issues, such as Russia (they viewed it as the Great Enemy for decades up till Trump was elected, but now they have forgotten all about that), government spending and the national debt, etc. So all someone would have to do is get on one of the propaganda stations/sites (FOX, OANN, Breitbart, etc.) and tell them: "Duhh libz ain' vaccinatin'! Hilla-ree dun tol' em not to! Go gittit!"
(Score: 0, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 19 2021, @10:44PM (1 child)
You're an idiot. Anti-Trumpers spent 4 years doing nothing more than feeding the "resistance", starting even before Trump was sworn in. That would make Trumpers the anti-anti-resistance I guess? Or, Great-Auntie Resistance?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 19 2021, @10:48PM
What does your post have to do with the parent post? If you have Asperger's Syndrome, my apologies. But either way, here's a clue: Most people know how to stay on subject.
(Score: 5, Informative) by DannyB on Monday July 19 2021, @04:30PM (22 children)
Trump claimed he was doing everything he could to make sure everyone could get vaccinated.
We don't seem to hear much about that from the right wing.
Or has their story changed that Trump was NOT trying to get vaccine for everyone?
If you think a fertilized egg is a child but an immigrant child is not, please don't pretend your concerns are religious
(Score: 0, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Monday July 19 2021, @04:50PM (4 children)
WTF? Relevance? Let me hit you with a medium large cluebat: Trump is history. TDS is no longer a valid response to much of anything today. A more relevant question would be, "WTF is Biden/Harris doing about the African-American community's reluctance to get stabbed in the arm?" I don't see Biden or Harris going down to Orleans Parrish for a vax drive. They certainly haven't gone to Tuskegee to convince black folk to get the vax!
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 2, Redundant) by aristarchus on Thursday July 22 2021, @10:03PM (1 child)
Well, this seems to be happening. Sad.
Georgia couple dies within hours of one another from COVID-19 [wsbtv.com]
(Score: 3, Informative) by Runaway1956 on Thursday July 22 2021, @11:56PM
Agreed, sad.
But, maybe I should point out that Trump had nothing to do with the Tuskegee experiments. It might be interesting though, to track down the responsible people, to find their political party affiliations. Probably Dem, don't you think?
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 25 2021, @04:02PM (1 child)
Lovimg this reversal except it is even more pathetic than we imagined. Thought republicans would figure out how bad trump was and reject him, but instead we get this "forget about our fuckups that is SO ancient history!"
Runaway you chose your name perfectly.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Sunday July 25 2021, @05:53PM
Actually, 5 years ago, republicans figured out how bad the establishment was, and they elected some asshole who was not establishment.
So, when do Dems figure things out? The Party dictates who you may nominate - you can't reject The Party's offerings, all of whom are Old Establishment supporters. Feel the Bern?
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 19 2021, @05:50PM (14 children)
https://time.com/5920134/first-authorized-covid-19-vaccine-us/ [time.com]
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/first-covid-19-pfizer-vaccine-us_n_5fd732dcc5b6218b42ea8472 [huffpost.com]
Since we are giving credit to the administration in charge when the vax was developed and distributed - it appears that Trump did exactly what you state that he claimed. He made it available.
So, why hasn't Creepy Joe's administration sold the public on the vax? Trump did his part, Joe fails to do his part. Imagine that. Maybe we should "Surge the Vax" instead of "Surge the Border"?
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 19 2021, @06:40PM (3 children)
OK. So, have you been vaccinated against COVID yet?
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 19 2021, @08:07PM (2 children)
You go first: have you been vaxxed? And, no, we don't want your word for it, put a copy of your documents online for us to examine. Or, "Papers, please!"
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 19 2021, @09:50PM (1 child)
Yes, I have been vaccinated. No, I'm not going to be posting any documents for you to examine. Go get bent, asshole!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 19 2021, @10:53PM
The "You go first" asshole perfectly illustrates Trump Supporters. Ask them a tough question, and they deflect. "NO U!!1!1!!!" Do you think he will ever actually answer the question?
(Score: 4, Informative) by DannyB on Monday July 19 2021, @07:20PM (9 children)
Conservative hostility to Biden vaccine push surges with Covid cases on the rise [nbcnews.com]
Some in the GOP have felt compelled to reiterate support for getting the shot, with McConnell saying he was "totally perplexed" by the ongoing resistance.
Gee, it sounds like
(A) Republicans are trying to have an anti-vax stance, for purely political purposes
(B) Biden / Harris are trying to push the vaccine
If you think a fertilized egg is a child but an immigrant child is not, please don't pretend your concerns are religious
(Score: 2, Touché) by Runaway1956 on Monday July 19 2021, @08:11PM (8 children)
Cause and effect, right? If people aren't getting vaccinated, then it has to be antipathy of Trump supporters for Biden causing it.
Except - what I've posted above disputes that simplistic claim. It looks like racial background might have more to do with avoiding the vax, than political background. You DID read the bit about Louisiana? There simply aren't a lot of privileged white Democrats in Louisiana - most Dems are black people. And, those Dems aren't getting vaccinated!
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 19 2021, @10:31PM (1 child)
Danny was discussing how the two parties approach the vaccine, but if whataboutism makes you feel better for supporting the Party of Death then you do you baby.
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 19 2021, @10:40PM
Party of death, huh? Did the Party of life resurrect all those dead Americans? Damn! That should have been in the news!!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 20 2021, @07:55PM (5 children)
Black people are 10% of the population. Even if every single one was a D, that wouldn't be "most Democrats".
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday July 20 2021, @08:58PM (4 children)
10% of the population, huh? Your ignorance is showing already. Why don't you use a search engine, correct your ignorance, then maybe come back and try to make your point.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday July 20 2021, @09:58PM (3 children)
To be clear, for those who don't know better - nationwide, blacks are about 14% of the population. In Louisiana, blacks are 30% of the population - give or take a wee bit. Blacks are mostly registered Dem, and whites are mostly registered R. I won't quite go so far as to say "almost all Dems in Louisiana are black" - but it might not be very far wrong to make such a statement.
So, if blacks in Louisiana decide as a block that they will not get vaccinated, that's 1/3 of the overall population, and probably a supermajority of Dems.
Citations? Ask Siri, or Alexa, or check the Louisiana census data, or just google it, then come back and tell me how wrong I am.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 21 2021, @07:04AM (2 children)
Thank you for sharing your Wikipedia education, Runaway! It is so edifying! Perhaps, in the future, you could tell us about guns, or CRT, or abortion, and how to ride the world of nuclear weapons! For self-educated genius like yourself, it should be child's play!
(Score: 1, Redundant) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday July 21 2021, @07:16AM (1 child)
There's nothing to tell about CRT. Find yourself a nice bucket. Sit down, shit in the bucket. Stand up, dump the bucket on your head. You now know all there is to know about CRT. It's up to you to read Marx, and figure out what particular flavor of shit CRT really is - sane men and women aren't that much into scatology.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 21 2021, @07:35AM
Runaway by hisself is a party of death. A shit-bucket party of death. Anti-vax. Anti-science. Anti-American. Anti-human. And, worst of all, anti-Mule.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 19 2021, @07:11PM (1 child)
You seem to misunderstand one important word in your own statement: could.
There is a rather tremendous difference in between making sure everybody can do something, and making sure everybody does do something. One maximizes liberty, one minimizes it.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 20 2021, @04:56PM
(Score: 4, Informative) by FatPhil on Monday July 19 2021, @04:31PM (18 children)
Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people; the smallest discuss themselves
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Runaway1956 on Monday July 19 2021, @04:37PM (17 children)
No, my Fat Pal, there is little if any difference between "hesitancy" and "resistance". If a guy ain't gonna get vaxxed, he ain't gonna get vaxxed. And, it matters little what you've told us - you ain't the boss of nobody!
Now, if you wanted to make noises of any significance, you might go to the predominantly black communities, and convince those black folk that they should obey the orders of privileged white liberals. Because, everybody knows that privileged white liberals know what's best for black folk!!
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 1, Offtopic) by krishnoid on Monday July 19 2021, @05:47PM (5 children)
There's at least a little difference between hesitancy vs. resistance. George Floyd wasn't going with the intention of being asphyxiated, but he got asphyxiated.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 19 2021, @09:56PM (4 children)
See? Resistance kills.. Don't resist, and don't hesitate to comply, and you'll survive until tomorrow
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Tuesday July 20 2021, @01:24AM (3 children)
Too bad Ashli Babbitt didn't...!
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 20 2021, @06:58PM (2 children)
The gun went off.. Shit happens.. Whaddya gonna do?
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Tuesday July 20 2021, @07:33PM (1 child)
But if she'd just complied with the officer's lawful orders...!
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 20 2021, @09:52PM
She was in the bullet's path. It couldn't be helped. Such is life in the big city
(Score: 3, Insightful) by c0lo on Tuesday July 20 2021, @05:42PM (10 children)
O'really? Let's go to the source** [kff.org] and skip the fucking propaganda, those federalist toilet papers don't like my "Do not track" settings anyway.
So vaccine hesitancy going down while vaccine refusniks stay the same.
So 21% Democrats haven't got a vaccine yet (and maybe some of them will) but definitely 29% Republicans continue to refuse any vaccine.
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** Kaiser Family Foundation [wikipedia.org] - the linked report is a lot more detailed, digging into ethnicity and motivations for the choices (including those of the refusniks). The drilldown is a bit painful tho'.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday July 20 2021, @06:23PM (9 children)
And - how is that broken down by race?
Ahhh, they do address racial differences:
Huh - looky heah! It's only 3 in 10 republicans!
Well, I've never researched that idea, but I would have thought that evangelicals were more liberal minded. Oh, never mind - politicans use the term in a somewhat different manner than I do . . . https://www.nae.net/evangelicals-and-politics/ [nae.net] kinda puts that all into perspective. FWIW, I am not, have never been an evangelical - those people are a little warped.
Don't you think there should be 100% availability before you start the wailing and gnashing of teeth? Hey, if you can't get it, you're not going to get it, that much is certain!!
I'll note here that those who fear the potential for long-term side effects aren't demonstrating and picketing to prevent people getting shots. Instead, they've quietly made their own decisions, for their own selves. But, apparently, you aren't cool with that.
Help me out here. You get vaxxed. I don't get vaxxed. I get sick and die. You go on living. How has that harmed YOU? Be specific - how have I harmed you?
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Wednesday July 21 2021, @01:07AM (8 children)
Told ye many times to stop straining your back moving goal posts.
My reply was meant to say:
- fucking go to the source before gulping the shit those people fed you. You should be able to make your mind by yourself. The shit they feed the fact that you like it sicken me less than the fact that you chose to mindlessly vomit it back in larger quantities.
- your assertion is wrong, there *is* a difference between "hesitancy" and "resistance". It actually goes beyond just the two and includes those of "only if required". Correct your views on the issue.
OK, I'll take a shot on the new position of the goal posts.
See, it's your selfish position without good reasons that irks me the most - this world contains more people of value than only you.
- before croaking you and the refusnik herd you so strongly defend are acting as a breeding ground for new mutations
- it would be fine with me if you'd just go a die in the woods, also refusing upfront the care that the society will try to get you before dying. But no, your selfish ass wants to be treated on the expense of others, who will need to reserve you a space and equipment which could be used in treating non-covid conditions and work overtime to do it. Even if this entire thing could have been avoided by the vaccine of which you are feigning to be scared of or to which you object on "muh libhurties" grounds;
- there are also a good number of people who can't get vaccinated and that's where herd immunity was supposed to help. I'll grant you, in the covid19 case, we are past the point we could eradicate it. And you, the selfish "muh libhurties" assholes of this world, have your own part of responsibility in it with your constant refusal to follow the basic public health countermeasures that could made eradication happen earlier. Also, because of the existence of the selfish and greedy segment of the population, the public health guys in USofA needed to lie about the efficiency of masks in the beginning. It was a mistake and they will have to live with the responsibility of this lie, but I can't say their justification doesn't partially ring true.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0
(Score: 1, Offtopic) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday July 21 2021, @01:22AM (7 children)
I haz an idea for ya. Go check out Africa, and their growing immunity to AIDS. Remember when AIDS was teh newest horror of horrors? 'Murica and Europe had money to throw at the problem, and Africa had jack shit, like always. AIDS was going to decimate Africa, again and again and again. Except - it didn't. Really, go read up on that shit. Search for the prostitutes who have been exposed again, and again, ad nauseum - but not one antibody or anything in their blood.
Pandemics die out, immunities happen, whether they be herd or not, and life goes on. COVIDS aren't the end of the world.
I wish all you guys would just give it a break. You realize that you're not getting out of this life alive, don't you? Almost everyone dies the same way - gasping for that last breath that just won't come to them.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 4, Informative) by c0lo on Wednesday July 21 2021, @01:34AM (6 children)
Moving goal posts again, asshole? Let me summarize your batch of brain vomit this time.
"Sure, we are not responsible of anything that happened, it's the Africa. Or prostitutes. Or mother nature. 'Twas gonna happen anyway, one way or the other - we have to do nothing but let it happen (as long as it doesn't happen to us).
Or something, anything but us, the pure lovers of "muh libhurties", we love them so much we fuck them to death. And if you have something to object to, fuck you to, I got mine and I'm the only one that matters"
Fucking cognitive dissonance, keeps Runaway always on the run away from himself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday July 21 2021, @01:52AM (5 children)
I'm not moving goalposts, asshole - I just move faster than you can think.
And your "quoted" inanities aren't even in the field. Want to fall back 20 and punt?
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by c0lo on Wednesday July 21 2021, @02:19AM (4 children)
Whatever. I call it running from yourself once shown your ground is shifting under your irrational position.
I'll end this thread by pointing to you:
1. if you like so much "the natural order of things that happens in Africa long term", go live there. You'll have better opportunities of postfactum rationalizations for your choices.
2. In re your original "if you buy into simplistic CNN", it just happens that I picked the link to the report from a piece on CNN [cnn.com]. I did not stop there, tho'; and you should not have stopped to the level of vomiting back the undigested matter in those those toiler papers from which you lick your shit. Somehow, I don't see you "moving" from them in any way that suggest a "thinking" process - you just mindlessly accept it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday July 21 2021, @03:21AM (3 children)
Damn, boy, you sure getting mean. Are you all of a sudden taking yourself serious? Lighten up, Francis, you're gonna stroke out!
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Wednesday July 21 2021, @03:31AM (2 children)
Sleep deficit and chronic hypoalcoholemia will eventually wear one down, yes.
Winter time during pandemic, not enough occasions to treat the second.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday July 21 2021, @03:38AM (1 child)
Dr. Runaway prescribes an afternoon off, chasing after some timid wallabies.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Wednesday July 21 2021, @03:43AM
No wallabies in a 5km radius. Snap lockdown.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 19 2021, @04:31PM (1 child)
Biden's latest appeal to the black communities, lol!!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 19 2021, @06:48PM
So, for those of us who prefer to identify as "black", there is this:
- BLK presents “Vax That Thang Up” ft. Juvenile, Mannie Fresh, and Mia X [youtube.com]
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 19 2021, @04:49PM (1 child)
"The goal was to 'observe the natural history of untreated syphilis' in black populations..."
Black hesitancy doesn't sound too unreasonable. Some conspiracies are more than theory
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 19 2021, @05:05PM
Also, Tulsa punished the blacks a Republican victory in 1920.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1920_United_States_presidential_election_in_Oklahoma [wikipedia.org]
https://historycollection.com/10-dramatic-facts-didnt-know-1921-tulsa-oklahoma-race-riots/2/ [historycollection.com]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 19 2021, @06:25PM
The genius!
(Score: 5, Informative) by DannyB on Monday July 19 2021, @07:27PM (24 children)
How Biden, Republicans and public health leaders are trying to persuade GOP skeptics to get their Covid vaccinations [nbcnews.com]
Politicization of 'vaccine passports' could aggravate GOP hesitancy, experts warn [nbcnews.com]
Conservative hostility to Biden vaccine push surges with Covid cases on the rise [nbcnews.com]
How Republican Vaccine Opposition Got to This Point [nytimes.com]
Oklahoma is in the bottom 10 states for COVID-19 vaccines. Could politics be to blame? [oklahoman.com]
The partisan divide in vaccinations is starker than you realize [politico.com]
What Drives GOP Resistance to Vaccines? [wsj.com]
And many, many more.
It is pure idiocy. Not science. Not some feigned concern. And the "people say..." about vaccines causing problems. Who? Which people?
Try to pretend it away all you want. Maps of vaccination and red/blue say everything you need to know. Don't give me any bovine excrement about how it is Democrats who aren't doing their part to get vaccinated.
If you think a fertilized egg is a child but an immigrant child is not, please don't pretend your concerns are religious
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 19 2021, @08:34PM
Red states tend [wikipedia.org] to have far higher black populations (per capita) than blue states. So comparing red vs blue is going to be heavily influenced by black behaviors in cases where they are an outlier on a given issue, such as this one.
The media knows this. And they know "you" don't. And you'll still trust them tomorrow. Heh.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by digitalaudiorock on Monday July 19 2021, @08:55PM (22 children)
The insane irony with all this BS from the right is that the U.S. has no vaccination mandates. Nobody is being forced to get vaccinated. Yet the right...most notably Fox News...seems to be be doing a great job of talking people out of getting vaccinated based on sort fabricated political BS that the libs might somehow force you...or something to that effect. It's frankly all to bat shit stupid to even analyze, but whatever it is, it's pure fucking evil. I can't figure out what point Runaway even thinks he's trying to make (especially given that he admits to getting the vaccine), but that to is just too fucking stupid to wast time analyzing.
Carl Segan saw this coming 25 years ago. From his 1996 book "The Demon Haunted World":
The last part about the "kind of celebration of ignorance" is so spot on it's downright creepy.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 19 2021, @10:00PM (1 child)
Yep. It's all unbelievably sad. The tragedy here is that it will be the ones who forgo the vaccine who will suffer the most over the next several months, but they will also take a lot of innocents (e.g., the immunocompromised, etc.) with them as collateral damage. As they fall like dominoes, I have no doubt they will be cheering "sticking it to the libs".
(Score: 2) by digitalaudiorock on Monday July 19 2021, @10:53PM
All sadly true. I'll tell you one thing regarding the collateral damage of this lunacy: Any unvaccinated adult that puts themselves in close proximity to any child that's too young to be vaccinated (and this appears to be happening way too much) needs to simply be taken out and fucking shot.
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Socrastotle on Tuesday July 20 2021, @07:09AM (19 children)
His name is Sagan, and his point and yours are in painfully ironic contradiction. Actually read what he wrote!
There is a lot to question about the current vaccines, but if one does so you are vigorously attacked by the powers that be generally with extreme strawmen, ad hominem, and even overt censorship. To say nothing of our modern digital lynch mobs who, unlike their kin of times past, needn't even be anywhere near remotely near their target to work to try to destroy their lives. This behavior doesn't increase confidence in the vaccines but, quite the opposite, drives suspicion and conspiracy. Because it actively reduces trust in the powers that be and with no knowledgeable voices able to comfortably speak out and engage in an open dialogue, people instead resort to their own home-brew superstitions and conspiracies. And this is becoming the case on many topics.
A society driven by censorship, authoritarianism, and propaganda that invariably relies on exploiting people's emotions (of which fear is one of the strongest), is not anything new. It's precisely how society operated for 99.9% of its existence. And it's only during that 0.1% that we made nearly all progress that defines modern humanity. The reason we're rapidly slipping back into that 0.1% is not because people are suddenly thinking the "wrong" way, but because of how we as a society are starting to pursue the "right" way.
(Score: 2) by digitalaudiorock on Tuesday July 20 2021, @01:57PM
Misspelling of Sagan noted. As to everything else, you need help.
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Tuesday July 20 2021, @02:26PM (17 children)
Like what? Anything remotely substantial? Or remotely statistically realistic?
That's like Trump always resorting to "People say . . .".
Who? What people?
Followed by a lot of handwaving about censorship, authoritarianism and propaganda. You don't provide any examples of substance. A lot of talk about digital lynch mobs. Yet you provide nothing of substance about vaccines. Just a lot of FUD. Nothing remotely substantial. Nothing like, for example, a large portion of vaccinated people die of spontaneous human combustian when in the presence of 5G!
If you think a fertilized egg is a child but an immigrant child is not, please don't pretend your concerns are religious
(Score: 1, Troll) by Socrastotle on Tuesday July 20 2021, @06:38PM (13 children)
The risk of anything plays a primary factor in how it should be handled. You probably know at least that COVID affects different groups of people in different ways, but I think most people don't have any idea of just how big this effect is. This [cdc.gov] table sums things up in a pretty straight forward way, and also provides a comparison. Last year was a year with no vaccines and rampant disregard for mitigation measures fewer than 10,000 people under the age of 45 died of COVID. By contrast there were about 230,000 deaths in the same age group caused by other things.
And a "COVID death" is defined as any death where COVID was noted on the death certificate. So a 400lb diabetic who dies of heart failure and has COVID, is marked as a COVID death. You can see the data on comorbidities from the CDC here [cdc.gov]. Of those 10,000 deaths attributed to COVID, about 20% of the people had diabetes, another 10% had cancer, and so on. The risk posed by COVID for a healthy adult, especially one under the age of 50, is *exceptionally* low.
Presumably you're aware of the mounting number of verified side effects of the vaccines including autoimmune disease (Guillain-Barré Syndrome), heart inflammation, and blood clots. These side effects do not discriminate in nearly the same way as COVID does with regards to age, and they do kill. And in the fine print on the paper you sign prior to vaccination, you waive your right to sue for damages if you do end up being hurt by the vaccines. And now the tide is shifting to booster shots. On top of this the big pharma companies are already busy cooking up a new custom shot designed to offer improved protection against the Indian variant. And as this virus will likely remain with us for at least another year or two - you're ultimately looking at not only shots, but shots for your shots and entirely new shots altogether.
To frame the decision to vaccinate as obvious for a young and healthy individuals is simply ridiculous.
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And of course then an issue that's just icing on top of all of this is trust. If one were to list the entities and individuals they trust on an ethical level, or ones where the benefit of society over self interest prevails - where do you think big pharma and politicians would rank? And we're in a pandemic where literally trillions of dollars are passing hands and billionaires are being made as stocks skyrocket thousands of percents on vaccine profits - these are the sort of temptations that can test the integrity of good people. And we're talking about politicians and big pharma...
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Wednesday July 21 2021, @08:51PM (12 children)
There are side effects to any vaccine. Even sometimes severe ones. Usually in incredibly small numbers. An individual risk that is far lower than the risk of what is being vaccinated against.
Even something as simple as aspirin has risks. But do they affect the vast majority.
As for trust, sure I understand that a lot of money was going to change hands for vaccine mass production. I didn't have a problem with that, so much, as long as it actually works.
If you think a fertilized egg is a child but an immigrant child is not, please don't pretend your concerns are religious
(Score: 1, Troll) by Socrastotle on Thursday July 22 2021, @05:06AM (10 children)
Except in this case the risks are not small. The vaccines have so far had causally confirmed deaths in the hundreds, and not yet causally confirmed cases that are now at 11,000. For the group where COVID kills at a fair rate, this is not a major factor. For the vast majority of people, this is.
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Thursday July 22 2021, @02:20PM (9 children)
Those numbers you cite ARE small. Statistically speaking.
On the other hand we have 610,000 covid deaths over 34 million cases. (from googling just a moment ago)
Many covid cases will result in life long consequences form destroyed lung tissue. It's not just like getting the flu, despite what the once great deer leader and venison overlord may have said.
At present we have over 186 million people who have received first vaccine dose in the US. (population about 382 million) Of those, 161 million are fully vaccinated. Now 11,000 is tiny numbers for someone with tiny hands.
If you think a fertilized egg is a child but an immigrant child is not, please don't pretend your concerns are religious
(Score: 3, Informative) by DannyB on Thursday July 22 2021, @02:25PM (8 children)
By my calculation your 11,000 is 0.0059 percent. Or 0.000059.
From googling, odds of getting struck by lightning are 1 in 300,000. Or 0.00000333. So yes, the chances of bad outcome from vaccine are higher than getting struck by lightning. But not what most people would call dangerous.
So please continue trying to spin 'real concern' about vaccine safety.
It is pure politics. Nothing more. The map of state vaccination rates vs politics is the best picture of this.
If people have become 'concerned' it is because they have been fed a diet of lies from their news sources.
If you think a fertilized egg is a child but an immigrant child is not, please don't pretend your concerns are religious
(Score: 2) by Socrastotle on Thursday July 22 2021, @03:52PM (7 children)
Again, do you not understand the most basic component here? Risk, in a vacuum, is irrelevant. All that matters is risk:reward. Climbing Mt. Everest is definitely on my bucket list. And for about 1% of folks, that's a one way trip. But because it's something that I would personally value and enjoy, I believe that is a very good risk:reward ratio. Does that mean I'd be willing to engage in other activities with a 1% risk of mortality on a whim? No, it would depend on what I get out of the activity. So my risk:reward for the vaccination stuff here is: Last year, terrible mitigation measures taken, mass gatherings, only ~10% people infected. I engage in much better than average precautions. My chances of being infected? Probably somewhere in the ballpark of 0.1%, if not lower.
Odds of a bad outcome if I do get it? Excellent health, relatively young. From the CDC data last year, fewer than 10,000 people under 45 died of COVID and a huge chunk of the deaths involved people in extremely poor health including large frequencies of cancer, diabetes, obesity, etc. And we also know that at least tens of millions of people in this group were infected and probably vastly more since most people with COVID experience no symptoms = no diagnosis. For instance way back in April of last year, random tests in New York showed an overall 13.9% infection rate, including 21.2% in NYC. Today, more than a year later, their official overall infected percent is 11.2%, so obviously there is huge undercounting. So my exact odds? Impossible to really determine but something like 99.999% is reasonable.
Combine those together and my chances of facing a bad outcome are headed into the 1 in a millions territory, comparable if not better than my chances of a bad outcome from the vaccine. And so I'm opting into something that I see negligible benefit from, who continues to see ever new side effects, is providing ever lower reported protection against variants, that you will undoubtedly need ever more boosters and derivatives of, and doesn't even really provide any degree of comfort. Fewer than 60 democrats, most if not all fully vaccinated, travel to DC. They act like idiots including flying and bussing with no masks or distancing. Now 10% of them have COVID. What an amazing vaccine.
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Thursday July 22 2021, @07:42PM (2 children)
When I sent home for lunch today, I saw a clip on TV with a doctor from Florida. She was describing young people getting the Delta variant. Coming to the hospital. The last thing they would say before they were being intubated was begging for a vaccine. She could only say "it is too late for the vaccine".
The vaccine risk, while real, is vanishingly small compared to the bad outcome of the disease.
If you think a fertilized egg is a child but an immigrant child is not, please don't pretend your concerns are religious
(Score: 2) by Socrastotle on Thursday July 22 2021, @08:19PM (1 child)
And don't you begin to wonder whether you're watching propaganda at about that point? This is not to say that what you said is at all fake, propaganda often is true. But it'd be the equivalent of a story focused on and exploiting emotion using the story of Jacob Clynick, an otherwise perfectly healthy 13 year old who got the vaccination, went to sleep, and never woke up. And that's an age group that has had COVID deaths approaching statistical zero. And indeed you can find that sort of stuff on plenty of trash media sites as well. I assure you I hold "both sides" in near equal contempt.
Obviously when you speak of death on any scale, let alone with thousands - you can find plentiful unpleasant stories. This is why I think it's critical to never let yourself be driven by emotion and why I also never resort to such. Because my goal obviously isn't to convince you. I'm not going to change my mind, and neither are you. My goal is to express myself and my logic as clearly as I can. And since you clearly strongly disagree with me, I know you're going to be motivated to prove me wrong. And perhaps you can! It's entirely possible I've made some logical error, or perhaps missed some data, or engaged in some other sort of objective mistake.
And at the same time, perhaps I've introduced you to some similarly objective data you were not aware of. This is not necessarily with the goal of making you change your opinion, but simply furthering the view that knowledge is power. If every American today was aware of all of the facts and data on COVID, I think we would be living in a far more rational time, which again is not some delusional euphemism for 'everybody would agree with me'; I expect many would not. But rather that when people are being driven by fear or other emotions, let alone with media and politicians actively seeking to exploit it, it just leads a society that's acting like a chicken with its head cut off. And that's no good for anybody. Because in the end the vast majority of us all want the same thing - to get passed this little thing and get back to normal life, ideally with as little permanent damage as possible to both the people of this world and to the values that we ought hold true to.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 23 2021, @03:31AM
nice hyperbole, considered a job writing for hannity?
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Thursday July 22 2021, @08:09PM (3 children)
‘It’s too late’: US doctor says dying patients begging for Covid vaccine [theguardian.com]
At least 99% of those in US who died of Covid in the last six months had not been vaccinated, says CDC director Dr Rochelle Walensky
‘It’s too late’: Doctor forced to turn down COVID patients begging for vaccine [nypost.com]
If you think a fertilized egg is a child but an immigrant child is not, please don't pretend your concerns are religious
(Score: 2) by Socrastotle on Friday July 23 2021, @04:43PM (2 children)
The articles I find quite interesting are things such as Pfizer shot only 39% effective against delta infection [forbes.com]. This shouldn't really come as a surprise, but to most Americans who of "faith" (and I am not speaking of the Beyond), it would - because we continue to put out an incredibly misleading narrative around the vaccines.
And just as importantly, this emphasizes that there is no grand social benefit to vaccination. It's becoming increasingly clear that these vaccines are simply ineffective at preventing the spread of COVID, so all vaccinating does is help to reduce your own personal chances of facing a severe outcome if you do get it. That said, an increasingly large number of people who are double vaccinated are dying. In places such as England, they have now become the majority. The reason for this is that the elderly are those primarily dying and they have a high vaccination rate, but it's emphasizing that the US narrative, with no data provided, claiming 99% of deaths are among the unvaccinated is likely, at best, cherry picked. And, at worst, simply a lie. In either case, I expect we will also see some "updates" to this narrative as well. And finally this is all happening at the nearly the exact same time that a heavily publicized and totally-honestly-completely-impartial study [nejm.org] claimed that Pfizer is 88% effective against the Indian/delta variant.
If you want to believe that there is no intent to mislead people, then you must instead accept gross incompetence. In neither case it encourage a desire to participate in this experiment.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 23 2021, @08:07PM
Have you ever considered the possibility that the "gross incompetence" you speak of is within you?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 24 2021, @09:24AM
The Israel study, as even your own article points out, is very suspect. But even 39 percent results in a fairly large reduction in the effective reproduction, would drastically cut the overall amount of total cases, and drastically reduce the chances of reaching a critical MCE.
(Score: 2) by Socrastotle on Thursday July 22 2021, @10:19AM
And out of curiosity, do you have even a single response to the actual data and figures? Or is this just "the world isn't how DannyB wants it to be, so DannyB will ignore the world and insert his own reality"?
You ask for data, you get it, you ignore it. You are typical.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 21 2021, @01:02PM (2 children)
And not that I expect you to ever learn, but you don't find it interesting how you beg for further elaboration, pretending such is impossible - and then continue to behave in the exact same way when faced with such?
It is cognitive dissonance. [wikipedia.org] You know what I'm saying is accurate, but it runs contrary to what you want to believe to be true, so you are left rationalizing 2+2=5 in your mind, and it frustrates you. You will likely block it out and be back to repeating the same nonsense as you always do tomorrow. And "you" are an embodiment of the American masses, and precisely the sort of future and people Sagan warned of.
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Wednesday July 21 2021, @08:48PM (1 child)
I'll point once again at how the concerns about vaccination are highly politically aligned. So I'll throw your 'rationalizing' right back at you.
I asked for further elaboration about the alleged 'concerns'. Concerns I am suspicious of. Why wouldn't everyone have these concerns if they were so real?
If you think a fertilized egg is a child but an immigrant child is not, please don't pretend your concerns are religious
(Score: 2) by Socrastotle on Friday July 23 2021, @07:50PM
I didn't notice this post before, and I think it's interesting. Especially "Why wouldn't everyone have these concerns if they were so real?" And I think it can be simply answered with more questions. Why did people think cigarettes were safe? Why did people think mixing up lead into fuel and then breathing in those exhaust fumes was safe? Why did people think DDT was safe? The answer is always the same. Most people do not really think for themselves, instead simply accepting what people in power tell them. This trust has been consistently abused in the past, especially when substantial amounts of money are at stake. And the centralization of the internet has opened up the potential for abuse like never before.
The "Wuhan lab" narrative is the most obvious example of this. One day it's an outrageous conspiracy theory that no rational person should believe, and in fact people were vigorously attacked and censored for even suggesting it. The media ran countless stories claiming that not only was the entire idea completely debunked, but that it was literally impossible. And so only an idiot would ever believe such a thing. The next day? With no silver bullet or anything of the sort ever found, the entire narrative took a 180. Suddenly it was open for discussion everywhere, Jon Stewart was calling the leak blindingly obvious on the corporate media, and the media in general is slowly pushing towards it becoming now the only theory that any rational person should believe. All because some politicians found adopting that narrative to be more beneficial to their geopolitical interests.
This is part of the reason that I think our democracy is likely to go the exact same way as Athenian democracy. The masses are far easier to exploit than to educate, and this is becoming more true than ever before in the age of the internet. How can democracy persist under these conditions?
(Score: 2) by Anti-aristarchus on Monday July 19 2021, @08:31PM (9 children)
Federalists? National Review? WaEx? AEI? These are all partisan and less than reliable or respectable sources. I would not trust them.
Other sources report the contrary to their talking points.
https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/health/article/Half-of-Texas-Republicans-say-they-won-t-get-16272085.php [houstonchronicle.com]
https://thefacts.com/opinion/article_310fc46c-a3df-5e67-8cf5-71d563272582.html [thefacts.com]
But the real problem is Republican intentional ignorance and stupidity, as related in a Letter to the Editor at the Houston-Chronicle [houstonchronicle.com]:
Analysis:
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 19 2021, @10:05PM (8 children)
So, perhaps you now understand why most of the rest of us don't much trust anything the little runaway posts here on SN?
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 19 2021, @10:39PM (7 children)
This site has become more of a zoo. Just watching the republicans lurch from one poorly thought out narrative to another. I miss pre-2015 when politics hadn't completely taken over and conservatives were a little more open to science. Now they follow the GOP party line or risk getting cancelled. Ironic in the extreme, historians will marvel at how well the GOP deceived millions. It is actually very simple, pre-emptively accuse others before your scandal hits, mix with a lot of FUD and serve scalding to suckers that refuse to put in the simplest fact checking effort.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 20 2021, @04:59AM
>> I miss pre-2015 when politics hadn't completely taken over and conservatives were a little more open to science.
Fair point but concerning science there are plenty on the left who lose their shit on the mere suggestion that there are two predominant biological sexes. Even when acknowledging the extremely rare outliers.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 20 2021, @07:47AM (5 children)
It is not the right that lose their shit if you try to have a rational discussion about climate change, CRT, vaccines, gender, BLM, Trump or anything else really.
Drowning them out by screaming "Four Legs Good, Two Legs Bad" in unison is not a rational discussion.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 20 2021, @09:21AM (4 children)
Actually, it is. They poison the discussion by how they frame it. Just look what Runaway has done here. The only rational response is, "These people are morons endangering the rest of us." And then we go house to house, inject them or execute them. Beets taking off and nuking them from orbit. Though that also has its upsides.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 20 2021, @11:13AM (3 children)
Really.
Can you name one benefit of higher atmospheric CO2 levels?
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Tuesday July 20 2021, @02:40PM (2 children)
Profits to big corporations while causing deaths and possibly the extinction of the human race.
Cigarettes don't cause cancer.
Leaded gasoline doesn't cause brain damage.
CO2 in the atmosphere does not cause global warming.
Vaccines cause horrible things to happen!
And 5G will kill us all with the governments invisible mind control rays! (And 5G causes covid!)
Trump says the sound made by windmills causes cancer!
There are roving mobs of people going door to door FORCING people to get vaccinated! OMG!
I'll end with something factual, but almost unbelievable in times past: The Republican party has gone insane and worships Trump who is not even in power.
If you think a fertilized egg is a child but an immigrant child is not, please don't pretend your concerns are religious
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 20 2021, @05:58PM (1 child)
Here:
Higher CO2 levels encourage plant growth and improve the plants water efficiency, reducing the need for irrigation.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 23 2021, @03:34AM
lol, good for longer term, bad for short term stuff like human food crops, and then you gotta factor in all the vegetation that dies off from the climate disruptions
(Score: 2) by hendrikboom on Monday July 19 2021, @10:42PM (14 children)
Not at all surprising, because there wasn't a properly tested and approved vaccine until after the election.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Monday July 19 2021, @10:52PM (13 children)
Hendrick, you'll lose a lot of respect if you start talking shit like that. The vaxx was passed on by the FDA in December 2020, and the first Pfizer shots were administered in December 2020. Don't try to give Biden credit for retroactively creating, approving, and distributing the vax more than a month before he was sworn in. Biden's entire contribution to the COVID vaxx consisted of FUD.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 19 2021, @11:06PM (11 children)
More reading comprehension fail from Runaway.
>>...approved...after the election....
(Score: 1, Offtopic) by Runaway1956 on Monday July 19 2021, @11:39PM (10 children)
No, you fail. There is STILL NOT an FDA approved vax. All of the vaccines in use fall under the "Emergency Use Authorization", not to be confused with "FDA approval".
So, to reiterate, Trump brought us a vax authorized for emergency use - Biden has brought us nothing.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 20 2021, @12:03AM (9 children)
And you have brought nothing but lies and misinformation.
Over 300 million shots have been administered in the US. There is incredibly compelling evidence that COVID-19 vaccines are safe and effective. Full FDA approval is a formality, given the demonstrable safety and effectiveness of the COVID-19 vaccines being administered in the US.
That data wasn't at all complete until around late November. Pfizer and Moderna didn't apply for emergency use authorizations until after the election.
(Score: 1, Offtopic) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday July 20 2021, @12:12AM (8 children)
And, here, you admit that you were so very afraid of the COVIDS that you didn't give a damn whether the "cure" would be safe or not. You demanded instant gratification, rather than a safe product.
Now, about that faux alzheimer's treatment. FDA approval is just a formality, right? It doesn't matter if the drug actually does what it claims - the formality has been observed. Got it.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 20 2021, @12:24AM (7 children)
More anti-intellectual bullshit from you.
The FDA required trials of at least 30,000 patients before approving an emergency use authorization. They closely monitored the trials, which is why the AstraZeneca vaccine trails were paused and the vaccine hasn't been approved in the US. There was a large amount of scrutiny for the exact purpose of trying to maintain public trust in the safety of the vaccines. At this point, with over 300 million shots in arms, the data set is so massive that the safety profile is undeniable. But you continue to argue insignificant details like the FDA not formally giving full approval to the mRNA vaccines.
The FDA's requirement of 30,000 patients in clinical trials for COVID-19 vaccine emergency use authorizations is an order of magnitude larger than the trial size for aducanumab [thelancet.com], which was just over 3,000 patients. Now, the data set for COVID-19 vaccines have grown by three more orders of magnitude, at least. Comparing aducanumab to any of the COVID-19 vaccines being administered in the US is dishonest and you know it.
You're not here for the purpose of having an honest discussion about COVID-19 vaccines. This makes it even more obvious.
(Score: 1, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday July 20 2021, @12:58AM (6 children)
Partial success.
Translation: the experimental medical treatment has killed insignificant numbers of people in the short term, and we don't care much about potential long term effects.
I gotta tell you, that's real science there!
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 20 2021, @01:12AM (5 children)
Long term effects? Isn't it funny how you're concerned about the long term effects of vaccines but don't seem bothered by the long term effects from COVID-19?
The FDA's expectation is that companies conducting clinical trials of COVID-19 vaccines follow up with patients at least six months after being fully vaccinated. That requirement has absolutely been satisfied. By your standards, we would never approve a vaccine to end this pandemic because we'd never have enough long term data to satisfy your politically motivated nonsense.
If you and your fellow right wingers genuinely cared about long term health effects, you would have done everything possible to stop the spread of COVID-19. We know there are some very real long term effects from COVID-19, but right wingers like you constantly downplay its serious. But you're suddenly concerned about long term effects that haven't been demonstrated with COVID-19 vaccines are involved. It's easy to see through your facade, that this is about politics rather than a genuine concern about safety.
Your obvious bullshit is obvious. Keep on moving the goalposts, troll.
(Score: 1, Offtopic) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday July 20 2021, @01:36AM (3 children)
Funny how you have zero questions, and you're cocksure that you have all the answers. You must be a teenager.
Which part of "experimental treatment" have you failed to understand? It was wrong when the Nazis were doing experiments on humans, when the Japanese did it, when the US did it in Tuskegee, probably when the Soviet did it in Russia. But, this time, it's alright because you personally approve of it.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 20 2021, @01:38AM (2 children)
Sorry, I don't speak Dipshit. Please translate your post from Dipshit to English if you'd like to continue this discussion.
(Score: 1, Redundant) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday July 20 2021, @03:23PM (1 child)
You are far too modest. You're doing an excellent job!
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 20 2021, @06:09PM
Umm, buddy?
I hope you realize that you just agreed that you are the dipshit and they are doing an excellent job of communicating with you. Guess if you did realize then this whole thread would never have happened :^)
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 20 2021, @10:53AM
The first clue was giving Trump credit for "approving" the vaccine in order to steal the credit from Biden. Only to then shift his narrative over "authorized" vs. "approved" when it fit that talking point. His concern is winning Internet points, period. Everything for points in the short term, even if it means undermining the long term. Oh well.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 20 2021, @12:18AM
Gee, when was that election? Runaway feels his mind going, not that there was ever much there in the first place. Waiting for the Grand Restoration of the Sun King, no doubt.