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U.S. Life Expectancy Fell By 1.5 Years In 2020, The Biggest Drop Since WW II:
Life expectancy in the United States declined by a year and a half in 2020, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, which says the coronavirus is largely to blame.
COVID-19 contributed to 74% of the decline in life expectancy from 78.8 years in 2019 to 77.3 years in 2020, according to the CDC's National Center for Health Statistics.
It was the largest one-year decline since World War II, when life expectancy dropped by 2.9 years between 1942 and 1943. Hispanic and Black communities saw the biggest declines.
[...] "The range of factors that play into this include income inequality, the social safety net, as well as racial inequality and access to health care," Curtis said.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by fakefuck39 on Wednesday July 21 2021, @05:36PM (12 children)
Race is a social construct, but there are differences in genetics too - not a lot, but they're there. For example, even when you compensate for income disparity and access to medical care, blacks have a much higher chance of dying from a heart attack. They also have a 40% higher chance of dying from covid. Now, a part of that 40% is most certainly because they're on average less well-off.
Now, here's something interesting about that 40% extra for blacks. That number is from this site
https://covidtracking.com/race [covidtracking.com]
Let's compare that to CDC data
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/community/health-equity/racial-ethnic-disparities/disparities-deaths.html [cdc.gov]
what we're looking at here is the difference between the red and blue bars.
15.1% of deaths, while 12.5% of the population. That only shows an extra 2.6% extra deaths for blacks. Not 40% as covidtracking.com says. So what's the deal here?
Now let's look at income inequality.
https://www.federalreserve.gov/econres/notes/feds-notes/disparities-in-wealth-by-race-and-ethnicity-in-the-2019-survey-of-consumer-finances-20200928.htm [federalreserve.gov]
Whites have a mean net worth 10x what the blacks do. But when you get admitted to a hospital, they have to take you whether you have money or not, and no doctor looks at your color or paystub. And if you can't pay it, you get medicaid. And if you didn't apply for medicaid, you still don't pay the hospital and just get sent to collections. You definitely don't get denied a ventilator or a bed or a doctor. Which makes sense - because the difference between blacks and whites dying of covid, is only 2.6%.
It's funny they don't mention this in the article - that income inequality and race seem to not really matter at all. Well, they do I guess, to the grand total of 2.6%. But that doesn't make headlines or make people angry enough to riot, and we need our racial inequality riots, don't we.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 21 2021, @06:04PM (3 children)
Fuckface fucks the numbers again. The 15.1% share of deaths is 20.8% more than the 12.5% population share, not 2.6%. It gets worse in the age-standardized distribution.
(Score: 0, Troll) by fakefuck39 on Wednesday July 21 2021, @06:32PM (2 children)
I'm sorry, what now? 12.5% of the population should have 12.5% share of the deaths. To get to 15.1%, their share of the population needs to increase by 2.6%, of the entire population. What you did here is change what I was talking about - % of population share increase, to "percent of growth of that subpopulation." Which is not what I was comparing. So you made up something and called this thing only you said stupid. You do that a lot. Probably because of your incurable autism.
The reason we're not using the age-standardized graph here sherlock, is because we're comparing the first link to the second link, and while the second link shows both datasets, the first link only shows the non age standardized data. Fucking retard.
(Score: 0, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 21 2021, @07:26PM (1 child)
15.1% is 2.6 basis points higher than 12.5%, but 15.1% is 20.8% higher than 12.5% - aka 12.5*1.208=15.1
So that means blacks are dying at a rate 20.8% higher than their population numbers would indicate they should be.
(Score: 1, Troll) by fakefuck39 on Wednesday July 21 2021, @07:49PM
yes sherlock, (15.1-12.5)/12.5=20.8%. congratulations, you've clearly completed 8th grade.
>but 15.1% is 20.8% higher than 12.5%
yes, but you're comparing the wrong thing
>So that means blacks are dying at a rate 20.8% higher than their population numbers
which is comparing the black population baseline, to what the black population should be, if the population representation matched their covid death portion. which is not what we're talking about here. we are comparing it to the total population.
now go back, read the original post, and reply on topic. In fact, the fist link clearly states what we're comparing, in the fucking title.
but I get it. you're one of those people that doesn't even bother looking at what we're discussing, and just like to spam "gotchas" with preschool arithmetic. good for you. we all need to be entertained by people making fools of themselves.
(Score: 4, Informative) by Immerman on Wednesday July 21 2021, @06:29PM (1 child)
Not commenting on anything but your own math error - that 2.6% is not the increase in rate at which blacks die - in fact I don't believe it tells you anything meaningful.
As an extreme example - assume some group were only 0.01% of the population, but died at 10x the normal rate - they're such a small fraction of the population that they'd still only be about 0.1% of the total deaths (=0.01% of the population * 10x the death rate). Subtracting the two percentages as you did would get 0.09% - which by your logic would suggest that they were dying at almost the exact same rate as everyone else.
To get the death rate compared to the average you need to divide by their fraction of the population, rather than subtract: 15.1%/12.5% = 1.208, or in other words assuming those numbers are accurate, they're dying at 20.8% higher rate than the average.
Basically, to get the total death rate for a population from the subgroup death rates you'd have to add the proportional rates for each group, e.g.
Group 1 size * group 1 rate
+ size 2 * rate 2 + ...
+ size N * rate N
etc. = total number of deaths
The same math works if you're dealing with percentages rather than absolute numbers - in that case you're essentially just pre-scaling all the sizes (and the total) to a representative population of size 100.
(Score: 2, Troll) by fakefuck39 on Wednesday July 21 2021, @06:41PM
hold on, I get your basic arithmetic, but we're comparing the two links here - that's the whole point of my comment. Did you look at the links? No, so let me paste this here:
1st link:
"Nationwide, Black people have died at 1,4 times the rate of white people."
the numbers it lists are "Deaths per 100 000 people by race"
those are not deaths that need to be standardized to the size of that group - the group size is already 100k people for any race. So why would "assume some group were only 0.01% of the population" matter, since the sample we're looking at is 100k for each race?
>The same math works if you're dealing with percentages rather than absolute numbers
you're doing that math twice. you're taking the number adjusted for that race's % of the total population, and adjusting it again.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday July 22 2021, @10:52AM (5 children)
As you later acknowledge that was actually 20% greater deaths per capita than the mean (which in turn is somewhat greater than the white only deaths per capita. After all, per capita deaths is a better comparison right?
What's missing here is that the black population as a whole is much more urban than the white population. While there are some occasional rural exceptions, the urban regions tend to be much more heavily hit than rural areas. Thus, even in the complete absence of any sort of racial bias, one would expect more covid deaths in the black population per capita.
(Score: 2) by fakefuck39 on Thursday July 22 2021, @11:11AM (4 children)
>20% greater deaths per capita than the mean
I acknowledge it in the way where I tell a retard that's not what the first link is talking about, since the title is comparing blacks to whites, not blacks to blacks.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday July 22 2021, @11:36AM (3 children)
FTFY.
(Score: 2) by fakefuck39 on Thursday July 22 2021, @11:46AM (2 children)
you should fix yourself buddy. you are comparing blacks to blacks. I don't know how much more clear i can make that for you. it's clearly something your brain is unable to comprehend.
(Score: 0, Troll) by khallow on Thursday July 22 2021, @12:34PM (1 child)
I've already corrected your incorrect statement. Time to get with it.
Repetition doesn't make erroneous statements less erroneous.
(Score: 1, Troll) by fakefuck39 on Thursday July 22 2021, @07:24PM
>I've already corrected your incorrect statement. Time to get with it.
autism
>Repetition doesn't make erroneous statements less erroneous.
is not curable