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posted by janrinok on Wednesday July 21 2021, @03:49PM   Printer-friendly

U.S. Life Expectancy Fell By 1.5 Years In 2020, The Biggest Drop Since WW II:

Life expectancy in the United States declined by a year and a half in 2020, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, which says the coronavirus is largely to blame.

COVID-19 contributed to 74% of the decline in life expectancy from 78.8 years in 2019 to 77.3 years in 2020, according to the CDC's National Center for Health Statistics.

It was the largest one-year decline since World War II, when life expectancy dropped by 2.9 years between 1942 and 1943. Hispanic and Black communities saw the biggest declines.

[...] "The range of factors that play into this include income inequality, the social safety net, as well as racial inequality and access to health care," Curtis said.


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  • (Score: 0, Flamebait) by khallow on Thursday July 22 2021, @12:50PM (22 children)

    by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Thursday July 22 2021, @12:50PM (#1159107) Journal

    I suppose, technically, if one builds a state media apparatus [foreignpolicy.com] around ones citizens

    The obvious rebuttal is that's a false supposition. There's a lot of frothing in that article, but where's the evidence that anyone is listening to that state media apparatus? I might have missed some large example, but here's what your linked story came up with:

    This partially explains the push to allow BBG broadcasts on local radio stations in the United States. The agency wants to reach diaspora communities, such as St. Paul, Minnesota’s significant Somali expat community. "Those people can get al-Shabab, they can get Russia Today, but they couldn’t get access to their taxpayer-funded news sources like VOA Somalia," the source said. "It was silly."

    They're reaching a "significant" community in the US somewhere. Not the scale you're claiming. And of course, we have the usual anti-democratic handwringing over people voting the wrong way.

    It's certainly better than the democratic "rule by the poor" Socrates complained so bitterly about in ancient times, and instead simulates Socrates' ideal of "rule by philosopher kings". How's that working out?

    There was justice. Plato's ideal of "rule by philosopher kings" ended up with Plato wasting a lot of his life trying to pursue that ideal.

    Throughout his later life, Plato became entangled with the politics of the city of Syracuse. According to Diogenes Laërtius, Plato initially visited Syracuse while it was under the rule of Dionysius.[58] During this first trip Dionysius's brother-in-law, Dion of Syracuse, became one of Plato's disciples, but the tyrant himself turned against Plato. Plato almost faced death, but he was sold into slavery.[g] Anniceris, a Cyrenaic philosopher, subsequently bought Plato's freedom for twenty minas,[60] and sent him home. After Dionysius's death, according to Plato's Seventh Letter, Dion requested Plato return to Syracuse to tutor Dionysius II and guide him to become a philosopher king. Dionysius II seemed to accept Plato's teachings, but he became suspicious of Dion, his uncle. Dionysius expelled Dion and kept Plato against his will. Eventually Plato left Syracuse. Dion would return to overthrow Dionysius and ruled Syracuse for a short time before being usurped by Calippus, a fellow disciple of Plato.

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  • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Pav on Thursday July 22 2021, @09:47PM (21 children)

    by Pav (114) on Thursday July 22 2021, @09:47PM (#1159245)

    You might want to start with the new revolving door that has opened up between "journalism" and the three letter agencies - it's in their bio's... it's not like they're hiding it. As for circumstantial evidence, I bet you haven't even heard of eg. the OPCW leaks... which appears to have shown up a false flag ie. the Douma gas attack in Syria. At least you would have heard about the problems with the "weapons of mass destruction" narrative a generation or so ago. The OPCW inspectors on the ground in Syria didn't see evidence of a chemical attack, and whistleblew against the OPCW when their report was doctored to show the opposite. After comparing the original interim report, the released OPCW report, and parsing that with their own expertise and what is publicly known many third party academics have come out in support... MIT Professor Ted Postol has been the most vocal, and has also collaborated on a paper on the suspect nature of the supposed gas attack in Khan Shekoun, Syria. There have even been UN hearings about this... but UTTER SILENCE in mainstream media. The Julian Assange, Edward Snowden etc... message seems to have been absorbed. And it's not just US three letter agencies - Luke Harding (MI6 guy) was the origin of the (since debunked) Russiagate. In my own country (Australia) the feds have been intimidating the Australian Broadcasting Corporation eg. the raid and confuscation of computers in an attempt to out the Afghanistan war crimes whistleblowers. New Zealand is wanting to exit the Five Eyes because of this and other un-democratic BS.

    • (Score: 2) by Pav on Saturday July 24 2021, @11:40PM

      by Pav (114) on Saturday July 24 2021, @11:40PM (#1159669)

      For some catharsis here's one of the few consistent US left wing voices raging on tech censorship [youtube.com] in particular (and calling out his own side of politics).

    • (Score: 0, Troll) by khallow on Sunday July 25 2021, @04:10AM (19 children)

      by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Sunday July 25 2021, @04:10AM (#1159707) Journal
      So no evidence for your state media apparatus red herring. I won't bother keeping up with your wandering, non sequitur narratives (again! [soylentnews.org]. I'm not here to defend every evil deed someone has ever done. Keep in mind that we started with your comments about taxing empty carbs, funding public school sports, encouraging human-powered daily transportation, and stronger labor laws.

      And we ended up here.
      • (Score: 2) by Pav on Sunday July 25 2021, @03:39PM (18 children)

        by Pav (114) on Sunday July 25 2021, @03:39PM (#1159772)

        It's not my fault you bristle at what's been obvious for years to pretty much everyone else in America [poynter.org] (well 70ish percent anyway). Media censorship is done and dusted, and that was achieved two... TWO administrations ago. Todays Whitehouse is so past that they're now on to talking about censoring private messages [riotimesonline.com] - get with the program!

        And I'm not sure why you ignored the on-topic majority of my post just to argue against the sky being blue.

        • (Score: 0, Redundant) by khallow on Monday July 26 2021, @12:07AM (17 children)

          by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Monday July 26 2021, @12:07AM (#1159864) Journal
          The problem here is that your arguments are an endless waterfall of non sequiturs. Notice what has been introduced here merely to discuss a mild drop in US life expectancy due to covid:

          Most of the rest of the developed world taxes "empty" sugar and carbs, funds public school sports programs, encourages pedestrians and the use of bicycles by their infrastructure choices, and have stronger labour laws so people actually have time and can afford to exercise should they want to (obesity is associated with poverty).

          I suppose, technically, if one builds a state media apparatus [foreignpolicy.com] around ones citizens and they vote (with a few [wikipedia.org] exceptions [wikipedia.org]) for the "right people" it's a democracy.

          You might want to start with the new revolving door that has opened up between "journalism" and the three letter agencies [...] the OPCW leaks [...] And it's not just US three letter agencies - Luke Harding (MI6 guy) was the origin of the (since debunked) Russiagate. [...] In my own country (Australia) the feds have been intimidating the Australian Broadcasting Corporation

          And the latest gibberish:

          Todays Whitehouse is so past that they're now on to talking about censoring private messages

          What's really peculiar about your complaints is how frivolous they are. Your state doesn't have empty calorie taxes? So what? Minor changes in the US government's official media apparatus? No reason to care there. There's a journalist who used to be a spook or vice versa? Well, there's a lot of overlap in skill sets between those two careers and contrary to your assertion, the "new" revolving door is centuries old. I'm not feeling a need to regulate peoples' life choices here any more than I was with the sugar, exercise, etc.

          Assad is allegedly getting slandered by the OPCW because the chemical attack in question might not have come from him? Oh dear, let's serenade his sorrow with the microviolins. I notice that little has come out of this hubbub. Assad is still the largest power in Syria.

          Finally, there's no evidence of the alleged plan to censor private messages. The whole story you linked is spun from a misinterpreted Politico story and goes downhill from there.

          • (Score: 2) by Pav on Monday July 26 2021, @02:30PM (16 children)

            by Pav (114) on Monday July 26 2021, @02:30PM (#1160003)

            Apparently your brainwashing can't countenance the fact US life expectancy was dropping year on year before COVID. Of course the linked Smithsonian Magazine article can't appear to apportion any blame to bad healthcare up front... but solely on gun ownership causing suicides in rural areas, and on drug use, therefore upholding their half of the state media apparatus (remember children... what 70% of Americans mistrust and naively call (the key word) "partisan" is the very definition of state media [wikipedia.org]. Because the magazine must also maintain its academic pretensions it burys important details. For anyone studious enough to read the actual article they'll find out US healthcare is so bad that of the top 10 causes of death—heart disease, cancer, unintentional injuries, chronic lower respiratory disease, stroke, Alzheimer’s, diabetes, influenza and pneumonia, kidney disease, and suicide... only cancer witnessed a decrease in mortality rates... seven others increased. Preventative care (the most cost effective healthcare) is "frivolous" according to khallow, as is decent after-the-fact healtcare apparently. Regarding SMS censorship the Politifact article wasn't specific - saying that SMS censorship is not meant for individuals is gaslighting... surely you're not THAT politically naive. But it's unambiguous that they're looking to build censorship in. If your boiled-frog-patriotism makes you think that once the capability is there they won't find a way to justify using it nefariously and/or on individuals, then good for you.

            • (Score: 2) by Pav on Monday July 26 2021, @09:25PM

              by Pav (114) on Monday July 26 2021, @09:25PM (#1160164)

              Ooops... the "linked Smithsonian article" wasn't, but now is [smithsonianmag.com].

            • (Score: 0, Troll) by khallow on Tuesday July 27 2021, @05:47AM (14 children)

              by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday July 27 2021, @05:47AM (#1160292) Journal
              So now you've introduced Smithsonian articles, gun ownership, and babble about healthcare. I think the problem here is that you don't know how to argue a point, instead always migrating to safe ground. Sorry, I'm just not interested. I'm not here for your pet points, especially when you show signs that you have your own problems that are just as bad (such as advocating for taxes on empty calories - which indicates a dysfunctional expectation that government is going to fix moral and behavioral problems, like much of the list you were complaining about, such as the OPCW thing).
              • (Score: 2) by Pav on Tuesday July 27 2021, @12:44PM (13 children)

                by Pav (114) on Tuesday July 27 2021, @12:44PM (#1160334)

                You expect to lose, so you do... and you rage against people who don't accept that kind of thing. This is not a good habit.

                • (Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday July 27 2021, @01:46PM (12 children)

                  by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday July 27 2021, @01:46PM (#1160344) Journal
                  And a lot of trash talk too. Look, I'm not here to debate the entirety of bad US policy every time you post something that I disagree with.
                  • (Score: 2) by Pav on Wednesday July 28 2021, @06:13AM (11 children)

                    by Pav (114) on Wednesday July 28 2021, @06:13AM (#1160593)

                    And I suppose bad US policy has nothing to do with US citizens being prey animals for the healthcare industry. Aparently even weed-smoking ex bricklayers understand that they can have an amusing rage-filled yet significant [youtube.com] influence on such politics. Nihilistic whining about how government will always screw you over is just sewing handles onto your arse-cheeks.

                    • (Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday July 28 2021, @11:56AM (10 children)

                      by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday July 28 2021, @11:56AM (#1160614) Journal
                      What's the point of your ranting? I'm not here today to fix that. And health care predators aren't to blame for large scale spreading of covid in the US.
                      • (Score: 2) by Pav on Wednesday July 28 2021, @11:14PM (9 children)

                        by Pav (114) on Wednesday July 28 2021, @11:14PM (#1160810)

                        Except the US baseline is going backwards eg. the UK actually has slightly more COVID deaths per million as of July 2021 [statista.com], but even the most poverty-stricken areas [theguardian.com] of the UK have gone backwards less than the US as a whole.

                        • (Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday July 29 2021, @05:20AM (8 children)

                          by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Thursday July 29 2021, @05:20AM (#1160926) Journal

                          Except the US baseline is going backwards

                          That is correct. So what?

                          • (Score: 2) by Pav on Thursday July 29 2021, @12:56PM (7 children)

                            by Pav (114) on Thursday July 29 2021, @12:56PM (#1160988)

                            **points at the topic** BTW the topic is incorrect - it's the biggest drop since WWI + the spanish flu epidemic. I guess that makes living in the USA the WWI bit.

                            • (Score: 1) by khallow on Friday July 30 2021, @03:02AM (6 children)

                              by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Friday July 30 2021, @03:02AM (#1161261) Journal
                              Again, what is the point of your posts? You're not paying me enough to fix US health care. And your repeated meandering between non sequiturs indicates to me a strong likelihood you don't have much of a clue either. The mental discipline just isn't there.
                              • (Score: 2) by Pav on Saturday July 31 2021, @12:20AM (5 children)

                                by Pav (114) on Saturday July 31 2021, @12:20AM (#1161554)

                                It's just fascinating to see someone call pretty basic evidence-based arguments for public health a non sequitur while living in the middle of concurrent disasters proving otherwise. I'm certainly making no excuses for eg. Australias privatised quarantine system, but at least it gives us repeated clear demonstrations of which strategies work both from an economic and health standpoint when dealing with an initial COVID outbreak eg. New South Wales (minimal business disruption + investing in contact tracing to outrun the incubation period), vs Queensland and Victoria (three-day lockdowns to contact-trace and get all primary contacts quarantined).

                                • (Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday July 31 2021, @01:24AM (4 children)

                                  by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Saturday July 31 2021, @01:24AM (#1161580) Journal

                                  It's just fascinating to see someone call pretty basic evidence-based arguments for public health a non sequitur while living in the middle of concurrent disasters proving otherwise.

                                  There's another word for this, "reason". Non sequitur means "irrelevant". Talking about how fascinating the irrelevant thing is, doesn't make it more relevant.

                                  For a glaring example of this, what is the "evidence" evidence for? Turns out it's your ability to retreat to the same pet topics you've retreated to the last time we had this exercise. Well, until those pet topics start having some bearing to the original discussion, they're non sequiturs by definition.

                                  • (Score: 2) by Pav on Saturday July 31 2021, @09:24AM (2 children)

                                    by Pav (114) on Saturday July 31 2021, @09:24AM (#1161659)

                                    "Non sequitur" means something doesn't necessarily follow. Your bewilderment and bluster at cause and effect IS amusing though.

                                    • (Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday August 01 2021, @02:36AM (1 child)

                                      by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Sunday August 01 2021, @02:36AM (#1161844) Journal

                                      Your bewilderment and bluster at cause and effect IS amusing though.

                                      Oh look, now a straw man. Really. Learn how to argue and stay on topic.

                                      • (Score: 2) by Pav on Monday August 02 2021, @01:45AM

                                        by Pav (114) on Monday August 02 2021, @01:45AM (#1162105)

                                        Such a shame about the evidence though isn't it.... ;)

                                  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 03 2021, @06:46PM

                                    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 03 2021, @06:46PM (#1162782)
                                    lol @ a guy who can't stay on topic arguing with a guy who openly refuses to read links that might counter his point. You know you guys are just gonna go on taking jabs until one of you gives up.

                                    *eating popcorn*