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posted by martyb on Tuesday August 17 2021, @05:14AM   Printer-friendly
from the Jiggly-Cores dept.

Ripples in Saturn's Rings Reveal Planet's Core Is Big and Jiggly:

A team of astrophysicists looking at data from the Cassini spacecraft's tour of Saturn have estimated a new size for the planet's core. Studying gravitational effects on the icy rings, the team determined that Saturn's core is a combination of ice, rock, hydrogen, and helium about 50 times as massive as Earth, making it much more diffuse than previously thought.

"The conventional picture has it that Saturn's interior has a neat division between a compact core of rocks and ices and an envelope of mostly hydrogen and helium. We found that contrary to this conventional picture, the core is actually 'fuzzy': all those same rocks and ices are there, but they are effectively blurred out over a huge fraction of the planet," said Christopher Mankovich, a researcher at the California Institute of Technology and lead author of a paper on the findings, published today in Nature Astronomy.

[...] The rocks and ice inside Saturn slowly give way to the more gassy parts of the planet as you move away from the core, he said. The team found that the core didn't have a clear-cut end point; rather, it had a transition region that made up about 60% of Saturn's entire diameter, making the core a huge part of the planet's total size and much larger part than the 10% to 20% of a planet's diameter that a more compact core would be.

Previously, Saturn was thought to have a rocky, metallic core under all that frigid, fluid gas. "When the observations were limited to the traditional gravity field data, the compact core model did a fine job," Mankovich said, but the newer data from Cassini has given us a different, better picture of the planet's insides. As National Geographic reported in 2015, the idea of studying Saturn's interior using its rings has been floating around for the past few decades. But Cassini, in its 13 years of flying through Saturn's rings (before it ran out of fuel in 2017) offered up the actual data on those dazzling structures and the processes within them.

Also at Ars Technica, CNN, The New York Times (paywalled), and Phys.org.

Journal References:
1.) Mankovich, Christopher R., Fuller, Jim. A diffuse core in Saturn revealed by ring seismology, Nature Astronomy (DOI: 10.1038/s41550-021-01448-3)
2.) John D. Anderson, Gerald Schubert. Saturn's Gravitational Field, Internal Rotation, and Interior Structure [$], Science (DOI: 10.1126/science.1144835)


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  • (Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 17 2021, @05:56AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 17 2021, @05:56AM (#1167780)

    Not long ago, we had a soylentil waxing large about jiggles, of a slender philebotomist, with no redeeming scientific information. Oh, what a wasteland of the intellect, is the Soylent IRC!

  • (Score: 2) by weilawei on Tuesday August 17 2021, @06:25AM (2 children)

    by weilawei (109) on Tuesday August 17 2021, @06:25AM (#1167783)
    Floating ball of spare star fuel.
    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 17 2021, @06:51AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 17 2021, @06:51AM (#1167788)

      Leidenfrost thrusters. Construct most of a Dyson sphere contraption to wrap Saturn up except for opening vents opposite the Sun.

      Have it drive itself right to the nuclear motor. You can thank me later for the sci-fi novella idea and the movie rights.

    • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 17 2021, @06:58AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 17 2021, @06:58AM (#1167790)

      I'm only disappointed Mushy hasn't proposed to capture Saturn on his way to Mars and bring it back to Earth to power his hydrogen cells. Now that might impress me.

  • (Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 17 2021, @06:59AM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 17 2021, @06:59AM (#1167792)

    It's the Taliban, the US choppers, and the Russians cackling.

    It's Saigon All Over Again.

  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by aristarchus on Tuesday August 17 2021, @08:26AM (9 children)

    by aristarchus (2645) on Tuesday August 17 2021, @08:26AM (#1167803) Journal

    Actually, this is an ingenious method of probing the innards of gas giants. As we have seen with Mars Insight, data about the permutations of a planet can tell us much about its interior structure. The rings, in this case, are standing in for much more difficult to obtain and deploy instrumentation.

    • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 17 2021, @08:31AM (8 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 17 2021, @08:31AM (#1167806)
      Maybe that tell you you should deploy rings instead of your much more expensive instrumentation. If it's being done for free...
      • (Score: 5, Interesting) by aristarchus on Tuesday August 17 2021, @08:50AM (7 children)

        by aristarchus (2645) on Tuesday August 17 2021, @08:50AM (#1167809) Journal

        There are already rings around Jupiter, and Neptune, just much thinner and less substantial, so possibly harder to read for these purposes, but not necessarily impossible. And just wait until we get to Uranus.

        [Side note: "Uranus" is the rather unfortunate (in English) rendering of the Greek name Οὐρανός, the sky who mated with the Earth (Γαῖα,) to produce the Titans, the youngest, and foremost of whom was Κρόνος (Saturn, in Latin). Jupiter, of course, in Cronos' son, the Latin equivalent for Zeus (Ζεύς).]

        • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 17 2021, @09:52AM (2 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 17 2021, @09:52AM (#1167814)

          until now I only noticed "Kronos" and "Chronos", yet you write it "Cronos".
          any particular reason?

          • (Score: 5, Informative) by aristarchus on Tuesday August 17 2021, @10:28AM (1 child)

            by aristarchus (2645) on Tuesday August 17 2021, @10:28AM (#1167817) Journal

            "Cronos" is a Titan, Κρόνος, with a Kappa. "Chronos" is Χρόνος, father time. Different initial letters, different gods.

            • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Tuesday August 17 2021, @04:06PM

              by FatPhil (863) <reversethis-{if.fdsa} {ta} {tnelyos-cp}> on Tuesday August 17 2021, @04:06PM (#1167876) Homepage
              I have sometimes felt that it would be neat if someone could link Ouranos with the *hora -like bits in the Attic tree that pertain to time (possibly from a PIE *yora, an ultimate root for both "hour" and "year"?). One of the fundamental measurements of time was the lightening and the darkening of the sky - binding sky to time, or vice versa, just seems natural and satisfying. Alas, there seems to be no record of it, so a folk etymology it must remain.

              An etymological link to urination would be a lot less satisfying. Although an early morning slash can be just that.
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        • (Score: 5, Insightful) by hendrikboom on Tuesday August 17 2021, @11:17AM (2 children)

          by hendrikboom (1125) on Tuesday August 17 2021, @11:17AM (#1167826) Homepage Journal

          "Uranus" is the rather unfortunate (in English) rendering of the Greek name Οὐρανός

          Sounds like the English name should better have been rendered Uranos.

          • (Score: 2) by HiThere on Tuesday August 17 2021, @03:23PM

            by HiThere (866) on Tuesday August 17 2021, @03:23PM (#1167864) Journal

            I've been told that's rather accurate. Not speaking Greek, much less classic Greek, I'm not sure, but I find it highly plausible. Look at the different transliterations of "tsar". (I don't know the original, so I go with "tsar", but "czar" is also common, and I'm told the word derives from Caesar, the most famous Julian.)

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          • (Score: 3, Interesting) by FatPhil on Tuesday August 17 2021, @04:08PM

            by FatPhil (863) <reversethis-{if.fdsa} {ta} {tnelyos-cp}> on Tuesday August 17 2021, @04:08PM (#1167877) Homepage
            Ouranos isn't wrong, just non-preferred. Changing spelling to that probably could be done in a generation or two (nobody will change, just the old users will die out), but persuading English speakers to get the emphasis on the final syllable would be the hardest part of fixing the word.
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        • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Tuesday August 17 2021, @07:35PM

          by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday August 17 2021, @07:35PM (#1167947) Journal

          "Uranus" is the rather unfortunate (in English) rendering of the Greek name Οὐρανός

          Without any adolescent joking, it is easy enough to correctly pronounce it Urine-Us

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  • (Score: 2) by Opportunist on Tuesday August 17 2021, @09:22AM (2 children)

    by Opportunist (5545) on Tuesday August 17 2021, @09:22AM (#1167812)

    Big and jiggly gas giant...

    Time to crack out the fat jokes, and the ones about titties!

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 17 2021, @11:58AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 17 2021, @11:58AM (#1167832)
      Big and Jiggley - The core is made out of PeopleOfWalmartium.
    • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Tuesday August 17 2021, @07:36PM

      by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday August 17 2021, @07:36PM (#1167948) Journal

      What? Ripples in clothing reveal cores beneath are big and jiggly?

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 17 2021, @05:54PM (2 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 17 2021, @05:54PM (#1167907)

    Huh. Lotsa duct tape is the best fix for that.

    • (Score: 4, Funny) by DannyB on Tuesday August 17 2021, @07:37PM

      by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday August 17 2021, @07:37PM (#1167949) Journal

      Duct tape is like the force. It has a dark side. It has a light side. It binds the universe together.

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    • (Score: 2) by Joe Desertrat on Thursday August 19 2021, @08:37PM

      by Joe Desertrat (2454) on Thursday August 19 2021, @08:37PM (#1168625)

      Huh. Lotsa duct tape is the best fix for that.

      I would have thought something from Victoria's Secrets...

  • (Score: 3, Informative) by DannyB on Tuesday August 17 2021, @07:47PM (2 children)

    by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday August 17 2021, @07:47PM (#1167953) Journal

    From TFA

    The planet’s surface moves a little bit in all the hubbub—about 3 feet every couple hours

    If that is 3 feet in a single direction in 2 hours, with a 3 feet return motion in another 2 hours, then with a period of 4 hours, that is abouts 1/57600 Hz, or 0.000017361... Hz (with the last 1 repeating forever)

    (yes, I know you're not supposed to read the article, but gimme a brake)

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    • (Score: 2) by Joe Desertrat on Thursday August 19 2021, @08:42PM (1 child)

      by Joe Desertrat (2454) on Thursday August 19 2021, @08:42PM (#1168627)

      Sounds like tides to me. Saturn has a lot of moons. I would think there would be rather chaotic tidal forces as a result. The Earth's crust, not just its seas, reacts to tides. In some places the rock moves up to a foot or so in response to the moon. Why would Saturn be immune to such forces?

      • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Monday August 23 2021, @01:28PM

        by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Monday August 23 2021, @01:28PM (#1169846) Journal

        So just like on Earth, the tides on Saturn cause Saturn to have moons, just as Earth has a moon caused by Earth's tides.

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