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posted by martyb on Friday August 20 2021, @12:46PM   Printer-friendly
from the tigers-never-change-their-stripes dept.

Windows 11 Is Making It Absurdly Difficult to Change Browsers
In a page ripped right out of the '90s, Microsoft reminds us that it's still engaging in the browser wars.

[....] there have been plenty of chances to dive into the OS to see what's next from Microsoft. And there's evidence of the same old story. Namely, Microsoft wants to make it hard for you to use a browser that isn't Edge.

The Verge reports on how convoluted the new process is to change the default browser in Windows 11. Like in Windows 10, you'll get a prompt when you click on a web link asking you to choose an app. But unless you specifically tell the system that you'd like to switch browsers, it will assume you're okay with Microsoft Edge as the default.

[....] It gets worse: if you don't remember on the initial pop-up, you'll have to dig into the settings to change the default app for every specific file type. This can get tedious! It means you'll have to tell Windows which app should open an HTM, HTML, PDF, SVG, and XHTML fileā€”and that's only a sampling of the file types that a browser can open. Additional screenshots show Windows 11 still nags the user to try Microsoft Edge when switching browsers.

From the same people who brought us IE 6, the bane of web developers everywhere, now comes Edge — the browser with the swirl toilet flushing icon.


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  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by SomeGuy on Friday August 20 2021, @01:03PM (9 children)

    by SomeGuy (5632) on Friday August 20 2021, @01:03PM (#1168806)

    I think Microsoft needs to go back to user interface "kindergarten". Probably coding and OS design kindergarten as well.

    Lock these people in a room with nothing but MacOS 7.5.5 and Microsoft Windows 95. Preferably with no Internet connection. Then they will actually have to "use" the computers rather than just shitting on "social" media sites.

    Then they might try and actually understand why things are the way they are (or were and should be).

    Any "developer" that actually belongs in the marketing department needs to be shot in to space.

    I'm still baffled by the illogic of some Windows 10 dialogs (such as the select application to open a document dialog) that has no cancel or close button but expects you to click OUTSIDE of the dialog to close it. Clicking outside the dialog used to be a very bad thing to do as you might send the application to the background, with that dialog still stuck open, which was sometimes a pain to clear up. But somehow they want to make this bad, inconsistent behavior "normal".

    Microsoft has lost it.

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  • (Score: 2) by Opportunist on Friday August 20 2021, @01:10PM (3 children)

    by Opportunist (5545) on Friday August 20 2021, @01:10PM (#1168813)

    Any "developer" that actually belongs in the marketing department needs to be shot in to space.

    I've heard many terms for that body part, but "space" is new even to me.

    • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday August 20 2021, @05:07PM (2 children)

      by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Friday August 20 2021, @05:07PM (#1168901) Journal

      Considering they have to have stretched their anatomy to Goatse-esque proportions to fit their collective head up it, it kind of fits!

      --
      I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
      • (Score: 2) by kazzie on Friday August 20 2021, @07:00PM (1 child)

        by kazzie (5309) on Friday August 20 2021, @07:00PM (#1168968)

        It only fits if they've stretched enough.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 23 2021, @07:16PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 23 2021, @07:16PM (#1169978)

          In 2016 the maleability just wasn't there and we got an anal fissure erupting red GAGA everywhere!

  • (Score: 4, Informative) by EEMac on Friday August 20 2021, @02:54PM (1 child)

    by EEMac (6423) on Friday August 20 2021, @02:54PM (#1168845)

    I'm still baffled by the illogic of some Windows 10 dialogs (such as the select application to open a document dialog) that has no cancel or close button but expects you to click OUTSIDE of the dialog to close it.

    I'm afraid this is a touch UI idiom. It's bad. And it seems to be here to stay.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 20 2021, @04:14PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 20 2021, @04:14PM (#1168874)

      I never even thought to try that! I just hit ESC, which seems to work for getting out of the dialog. Can't escape windows as easily.

  • (Score: 4, Funny) by ElizabethGreene on Friday August 20 2021, @09:34PM

    by ElizabethGreene (6748) on Friday August 20 2021, @09:34PM (#1169045) Journal

    I'm still baffled by the illogic of some Windows 10 dialogs (such as the select application to open a document dialog) that has no cancel or close button but expects you to click OUTSIDE of the dialog to close it.

    You're right, that sucks. I just submitted a feedback item on it.

  • (Score: 2) by stretch611 on Saturday August 21 2021, @07:56AM

    by stretch611 (6199) on Saturday August 21 2021, @07:56AM (#1169218)

    A large part of the problem is self preservation. If a UI "just works" and is "easy to understand" you would hope that they would leave it as is. Unfortunately, if they do not peddle the idea of change they will end up with nothing to do (eventually) and out of work.

    Sometimes it is not the choice of the developer... A marketing rep or CxO comes by and says... see that big area wasted by a menu? We need to make it smaller (or completely remove it) so that we have more space to sell ads.

    As an aside to this point... I remember one project meeting years ago with the user reps... We were discussing a pretty important web-based form with instructions on the page. All the instructions were important so of course, they were all designed to be colored red, (iirc, there was not anything left to be a normal dialog color.) And ofc, a few parts were really important, so they were bold. The designers came up with a screen mock up and the users basically liked it but complained that a few of the extra important instructions did not stand out. In reality, they should have toned down some of the less important instructions to let the others stand out more... but I mad a dry joke of "we can make those lines flash" expecting people to groan at me, but instead the users loved the idea and it made it all the way to the final implementation and is likely still flashing on the page today. (So yes, that one is my fault.)

    And of course there is the designers own opinion which changes everything from the past on a whim. This includes the "Oh, I don't like high contrast text; lets make it fade into the background;" and the "Well, I don't use that button so lets get rid of it, who cares if others find it useful." Of course the self-engrossed pretentious a-holes that think that everyone else has horrible designs and only theirs have any value tend to make things a lot worse. They are the ones that remove anything useful from a design to make it pretty and "get rid of clutter" by hiding all menus and dialogs behind a little dot or two that is impossible to find on a screen. Of course these are people that are fascinated with their own rose scented feces; and only care about the perceived beauty; they are not the ones that provide end user support to people that can't find a button that allows them to get the actual work done.

    Until UI/UX starts to include actual usefulness to end users instead of just it looks pretty, this will continue non-stop. Note... UX used to mean this long ago but it seems to be forgotten by most right now.

    --
    Now with 5 covid vaccine shots/boosters altering my DNA :P
  • (Score: 1) by sydbarrett74 on Wednesday August 25 2021, @03:02AM

    by sydbarrett74 (7637) on Wednesday August 25 2021, @03:02AM (#1170635)

    I partially blame their obsession with trying to beat Apple and Google in the phone game. MS jettisoned a lot of good UI conventions in order to shoehorn Windows into being a phone/tablet-first OS. What ended up happening was a worst-of-all-worlds situation.