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Memo from David Walsh to staff, about vaccination at Mona, Tasmania, 2 September 2021

A society with unlimited rights is incapable of standing to adversity.
—Alexander Solzhenitsyn

What happens when we want to undertake a journey, but a government-mandated intervention delays it, because, they say, it serves the greater good? Is that an infringement on our rights?

I’m talking about traffic lights. Today, while taking the kids to school, I had to wait for a total of six minutes while cars went somewhere else. Of course I could have ignored those dastardly traffic lights, but ignoring them, potentially, has consequences. I might get in trouble with the very authorities that I’m resisting. Is running those lights a legitimate protest? Perhaps I should protest by making things worse (I could stand in the middle of the intersection, at great risk to myself to enhance the risk to others—that’d work). I might kill myself. But I’ve got a fancy car that’ll protect me. Perhaps I should run those lights, window down, arm out, middle finger extended. But if I run those lights, others might suffer. Most times, though, I’ll get through unscathed, and cause no diminishment to others. Am I feeling lucky, punk? And anyway, aren’t we a bunch of self-interested, greed-is-good, motherfucking capitalists? Why should I look after others?

But I stopped at the red lights. So did everybody else. If traffic lights are a part of a global conspiracy to turn us all into pawns of the government, or Bill Gates, or 5G, then I’m a government tool. Or just a tool. And so is everybody else.

I’m going to make vaccination mandatory for staff at Mona. If that makes you see red (lights) despite the previous three paragraphs let me, briefly, talk about the nature of risk. Some types of risk are additive (every time you take a bath, there’s a small chance it’ll kill you: but there is no chance it’ll kill anyone else). When you go to work unvaccinated there’s a small chance you’ll get COVID and an even smaller chance you’ll die. But each time you take that risk there is a small chance you’ll kill someone else (it’s multiplicative). That’s not okay. In a perfect world the vaccine would never kill you (a very small risk, but additive, like a bath), and it’d protect you and others completely. It doesn’t give perfect protection. Sometimes traffic lights fail. But we don’t turn them off. That’d kill more people. We keep them on, because mostly, inefficiently and grudgingly, we serve the greater good.

We’ll give you a decent interval to get vaccinated, and if necessary we’ll help you make an appointment.

We used to have co-leaders who could cruise through amber. One has gone to greener pastures (congrats). Patrick will now be our CEO solo. Ably assisted by Liz and Philippa and hundreds of others… you, if you get vaccinated. Patrick has proved he is very wise—these days, he always stops at red lights.

I wrote the above for the staff of Mona. But Emily, who mediates between me and the media, wanted to release it to everyone. ‘Transparency, and anyway, there’ll be leaks, and that’ll cause confusion.’ So I’m telling everyone that’s interested. At Mona we’ll be mandating COVID vaccinations for staff. Most of Mona’s staff are exposed to the public (although, at the moment, we don’t really have a public). Most people who visit Mona are nice, friendly, and respectful. But there’s a small chance that each of them is a reservoir for that beastly COVID virus. I’d like to mandate vaccines for the public, too, but that’d be unfair to, for example, kids. We like kids at Mona. And we like risk at Mona. But we like our staff more.

A few staff might think we are trampling on their rights, but the one right they think we are restricting doesn’t exist. Our staff don’t have the right to trample on the rights of their colleagues. Yes, it’s harsh to deprive someone of their livelihood for the good of others. And it’s harsh to deprive someone of their licence for running red lights. Harsh, but necessary.

(the only thing that I'd change in the above would be substituting the use of cumulative instead of multiplicative, but I'm not going to hold not using proper math terminology against a man of art)

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  • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Thursday September 02 2021, @07:21AM (3 children)

    by FatPhil (863) <{pc-soylent} {at} {asdf.fi}> on Thursday September 02 2021, @07:21AM (#1173600) Homepage
    "We’ll give you a decent interval to get vaccinated" - erm, you've had 8 months already?
    --
    Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people; the smallest discuss themselves
    • (Score: 3, Informative) by c0lo on Thursday September 02 2021, @08:33AM

      by c0lo (156) on Thursday September 02 2021, @08:33AM (#1173624) Journal

      erm, you've had 8 months already?

      Not in Australia, no. And most of as blame our stupid federal govt for this (it was only a couple of days ago that the vaccination for under 40 opened).

      --
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0
    • (Score: 2) by MostCynical on Thursday September 02 2021, @08:46AM

      by MostCynical (2589) on Thursday September 02 2021, @08:46AM (#1173630) Journal

      With the completely fouled-up vaccination 'strategy' by the Federal Government (lack of supply, bad distribution, bad prioritization..)
      and Federal Ministers telling people to wait for Pfizer (and therefore not take the AZ that was available)
      and Australia's version of Fox - Sky (which used to used to have same the owner)
      and newspapers like "the Daily Telegraph" (aka the Daily Terror)
      and FaceBook loonies...

      Australia really hasn't been trying to get vaccinated until the most recent outbreak [smh.com.au] started to convince people to get vaccinated - and then it has been really hard to the vaccinations [google.com]

      --
      "I guess once you start doubting, there's no end to it." -Batou, Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex
    • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Thursday September 02 2021, @04:08PM

      by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Thursday September 02 2021, @04:08PM (#1173747) Journal

      I just got my third Phizer shot about a half hour ago. Woo hoo!

      In less exciting news I get increased narcotic pain killers. Meh.

      --
      Why is it that when I hold a stick, everyone begins to look like a pinata?
  • (Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 02 2021, @07:36AM (14 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 02 2021, @07:36AM (#1173607)

    This dumbass doesn't know the difference between privileges and rights. Driving is a privilege - check your local DMV and see if it's true. Life free of intrusive searches, seizures, and medical procedures is a right. The hand waving and almost legal mumbo jumbo is just being used to justify the author's fascist approach to life.

    • (Score: 4, Insightful) by c0lo on Thursday September 02 2021, @08:30AM (11 children)

      by c0lo (156) on Thursday September 02 2021, @08:30AM (#1173621) Journal

      Waaayyy to miss the point by a mile, tiger. Nobody has the right or the privilege or any form of entitlement to take the life of someone if this can be avoided.

      All that car analogy that he used was to put in evidence the type of risks a reckless behaviour raises.

      If you feel so strong for the purity of your bodily fluids, you are free to walk away from a workplace that places vaccination as a condition of employment. Or for visiting such a place. When most of such places will do it, you'll probably need to find a forest far enough from others too exercise your principled freedumbs.

      --
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0
      • (Score: 0, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 02 2021, @11:44AM (10 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 02 2021, @11:44AM (#1173656)

        You don't have a right to not catch a communicable airborne disease like the flu. There's no liability for spreading it. If you don't like it, get vaccinated and stay in your bunker.

        • (Score: 4, Insightful) by khallow on Thursday September 02 2021, @11:53AM (4 children)

          by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Thursday September 02 2021, @11:53AM (#1173658) Journal

          You don't have a right to not catch a communicable airborne disease like the flu. There's no liability for spreading it.

          But we do have a right to not catch communicable airborne diseases. It's called the right to life and right to security of person. And there is liability for deliberate negligence.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 02 2021, @12:05PM (3 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 02 2021, @12:05PM (#1173659)

            You have turbo AIDS. Your next sex partner needs to sign a waiver.

            Good luck proving in court that Person A knowingly spread the invisible virus to Person B in the supermarket.

            • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Thursday September 02 2021, @01:13PM

              by c0lo (156) on Thursday September 02 2021, @01:13PM (#1173675) Journal

              Oh, so you have the right to behave like Typhoid Mary as long as you don;t get caught, eh?
              And you expect others to respect your freedumbs with such a behaviour?

              Wow, how ethics, much morals, buy Doge.

              --
              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0
            • (Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday September 02 2021, @01:15PM

              by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Thursday September 02 2021, @01:15PM (#1173676) Journal
              I don't know if you're the same AC as before. But if so, we've gone from rights to what you can prove in court. That's moving the goalposts.
            • (Score: 4, Informative) by DeathMonkey on Thursday September 02 2021, @03:40PM

              by DeathMonkey (1380) on Thursday September 02 2021, @03:40PM (#1173729) Journal

              Criminal transmission of HIV in the United States [wikipedia.org]

              Prosecutions
              Prosecutions have included:

              Thomas Guerra, who became the first person in the state of California to be convicted for intentionally infecting another individual with HIV. In court, prosecutors presented 11,000 text messages and 36 audio clips to support their case against Guerra. Since then, Guerra has been accused of intentionally exposing dozens of other men to the HIV.[39][40][41]
              Nick Rhoades, an HIV-positive man living in Iowa, who had an undetectable viral load, was sentenced to 25 years after a single sexual encounter during which he used a condom but did not disclose his HIV status (Rhoades v. State of Iowa).[42]
              An HIV-positive man was sentenced to 10 years in prison for aggravated assault after biting a police officer. His saliva was considered to be the dangerous instrument for the purpose of the "aggravated" portion of the charge (People v. Plunkett, New York Court of Appeals).[43]
              A man in Oregon was convicted of ten counts of attempted murder and ten counts of attempted assault based on allegations that he engaged in unprotected sexual intercourse without disclosing his medical condition (State of Oregon v. Hinkhouse).[44]
              An HIV-positive 25-year-old serving in the U.S. Army, was ordered in November 2006 to inform any sexual partner of his HIV status. After he had sex with a 17-year-old male who became infected, he was charged in June 2007 with "crimes against nature, assault and assault with a deadly weapon".[45] He pleaded guilty in November to 3 counts of "aggravated assault by means likely to cause grievous bodily harm or death" and other charges. He was sentenced to serve 40 months in military prison, a reduction in rank to private, and a dishonorable discharge.[46]
              An HIV-positive U.S. Navy officer and Catholic priest pleaded guilty in December 2007 to several crimes committed against U.S. Naval Academy midshipmen he was counseling, including forcible sodomy and indecent assault. Charges of assault were changed to aggravated assault because of his HIV status.[47]
              An Air Force sergeant was apprehended in 2010 for allegedly having unprotected sex at parties while knowing he was HIV-positive.[48] He was convicted of aggravated assault, but the conviction was overturned in 2015 by the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Armed Forces.[49]

        • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Thursday September 02 2021, @04:14PM (3 children)

          by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Thursday September 02 2021, @04:14PM (#1173750) Journal

          You don't have a right to not catch a communicable airborne disease like the flu.

          Flu and Covid-19 are not the same thing.

          --
          Why is it that when I hold a stick, everyone begins to look like a pinata?
          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 03 2021, @12:55AM (2 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 03 2021, @12:55AM (#1173912)
            Actually I DO have the right bot to catch airborne diseases like the flu. You have a cold, the flu, covid - stay the fuck at home. Things have changed - you have symptoms of a cold, flu, or covid, you will be denied entry where I work. Doesn't matter who you are - worker, client, government inspector - you show symptoms, GTFO.
        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 03 2021, @01:26AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 03 2021, @01:26AM (#1173925)

          You, sir/madame, are a mindless jerk who'll be first up against the wall when the revolution comes.

          EVERYBODY has the right to not catch a mostly avoidable communicable airborne disease like the flu.
           
           
          Wilfully ignorant fuckwit.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 02 2021, @04:05PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 02 2021, @04:05PM (#1173742)

      Do you drive? Do you have a drivers license? If you do, why?

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 02 2021, @04:08PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 02 2021, @04:08PM (#1173748)

      Do you have a right to a ventilator or it that just a privilege?

  • (Score: 3, Interesting) by MostCynical on Thursday September 02 2021, @08:33AM

    by MostCynical (2589) on Thursday September 02 2021, @08:33AM (#1173623) Journal

    Mark Wilsdon has moved to NSW Powerhouse Museum (Museum of Applied Arts and Sciences)

    https://www.ausleisure.com.au/news/powerhouse-museum-names-mark-wilsdon-as-new-role-of-chief-operating-officer/ [ausleisure.com.au]

    --
    "I guess once you start doubting, there's no end to it." -Batou, Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex
  • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Thursday September 02 2021, @01:39PM (8 children)

    by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Thursday September 02 2021, @01:39PM (#1173685) Journal

    But I stopped at the red lights. So did everybody else.

    But what about your rights! You are acting like a slave. Don't you realize you are a free man traveling (not driving) on the land? And taking your kids to school is non commercial activity, so you have no need to register your vehicle, have insurance, or obtain a drivers license. You should not have any contracts with the corporation or obey their silly traffic lights. Why do they have traffic lights -- didn't they swear an oath to uphold the constipation?


    Police tasers should have a special setting for sovereign citizens.
    --
    Why is it that when I hold a stick, everyone begins to look like a pinata?
    • (Score: 3, Interesting) by c0lo on Thursday September 02 2021, @01:52PM (1 child)

      by c0lo (156) on Thursday September 02 2021, @01:52PM (#1173691) Journal
      • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Friday September 03 2021, @05:30PM

        by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Friday September 03 2021, @05:30PM (#1174133) Journal

        Does New Zealand have a lower rate of covid-19 infections and deaths? Are their ICU's overflowing into the hallways with people dying of covid-19?

        --
        Why is it that when I hold a stick, everyone begins to look like a pinata?
    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 02 2021, @04:14PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 02 2021, @04:14PM (#1173752)

      Don't I have the right to decide for myself on what side of the road I drive?

      • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Thursday September 02 2021, @05:36PM

        by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Thursday September 02 2021, @05:36PM (#1173788) Journal

        Isn't it a strange thing how civilizations can govern themselves with conventions, rules, and even laws, which are good for everyone, but impose some restrictions in order to have those benefits.

        But Moooooooommmmmmm! Whhhhhyyyyy can't I pollute the river with as much toxic sludge as I want?

        --
        Why is it that when I hold a stick, everyone begins to look like a pinata?
    • (Score: 0, Disagree) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 03 2021, @01:03AM (3 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 03 2021, @01:03AM (#1173914)

      > or obey their silly traffic lights.

      I've run a number of red lights, on purpose. For example, returning to a rural motel after midnight, after a double work shift. Exhausted after the long day (but not drowsy). The roads were completely empty, good visibility in all directions (no trees, no hills). I rolled that left into the motel parking lot against a red light without even stopping (USA, drive on the right). So if you were a witness, go ahead and sue me.

      There are times when it's plainly obvious that I'm smarter than the traffic signal, no matter how "intelligent" the signal controller is meant to be.

      • (Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 03 2021, @01:36AM (2 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 03 2021, @01:36AM (#1173928)

        There are times when it's plainly obvious that I'm smarter than the traffic signal, no matter how "intelligent" the signal controller is meant to be.

        The time of writing that post was not, however, one those times.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 04 2021, @03:46PM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 04 2021, @03:46PM (#1174469)

          Well, this was over five years ago, so the statute of limitations applies. I didn't tell anyone before that.

          If someone runs a red light in the forest and no one else is there to see it...

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 04 2021, @11:04PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 04 2021, @11:04PM (#1174567)

            If someone runs a red light in the forest and no one else is there to see it...

            ...it's still unacceptably sloppy technique and they should give up driving until you grow up.

            Stop giving hoons a bad name.

  • (Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 02 2021, @07:13PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 02 2021, @07:13PM (#1173818)

    Declare the MONA to be an autonomous zone, and burn it to the ground. Then they won't be able to fire anyone, as everyone will lose their jobs.

    Whether Mr. Wash is permitted to leave the autonomous zone during this process is an exercise left for the reader.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 15 2022, @03:02PM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 15 2022, @03:02PM (#1253432)

    N/T

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 01 2022, @10:13AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 01 2022, @10:13AM (#1274432)

      anonymous +1

      Forcing people to submit to a vaccination against COVID to fight SARS-COV2 infection is not only dumb but criminal. It's not your life on the line, it's your soul.

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