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Consider it dead, along with voting/medical rights, despite Pelosi's theatrical drama
Using a legislative maneuver called reconciliation, the budget resolution is protected from being filibustered in the Senate, allowing a simple majority to approve the legislation in each chamber.
With the evenly divided Senate, Manchin is a needed vote for Democrats. They can pass the budget bill with 50 votes, meaning all Democratic-voting senators need to vote "aye" because no Republicans are expected to support the massive legislation.
But, Manchin wrote Thursday, "I, for one, won’t support a $3.5 trillion bill, or anywhere near that level of additional spending, without greater clarity about why Congress chooses to ignore the serious effects inflation and debt have on existing government programs."
Wall Street bailouts (roughly 3.5 trillion every two and a half years)? No problem
Probably just as good, we're not supposed to have that much pork in our diets anyway.
(Score: 2, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 03 2021, @12:58AM (3 children)
Bumping And while Biden engorges Wall Street with 120 bil a month [soylentnews.org] down with the day's political headlines. Top notch d00d.
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Friday September 03 2021, @02:50PM (2 children)
Yep, gotta hide that spanking!
And just like getting out of Afghanistan, the second this bill passes it will become a terrible bill, or he'll just scream FAKE NEWS and just pretend it didn't pass.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Friday September 03 2021, @05:11PM (1 child)
:-) We are not "out of Afghanistan". They just turned off the cameras.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 07 2021, @06:55PM
Whatabout? Whatabout! Whatabout the old journal? Old news, on to newer and better narratives?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 03 2021, @01:28AM (6 children)
ICFI/SEP/IWA-RFC:
Worsening US health care crisis during pandemic prompts strikes and protests by nurses over staffing [wsws.org]
Union attempts to betray striking Massachusetts nurses six months into their struggle [wsws.org]
Two Florida teachers die within one week of each other as COVID-19 infections and hospitalizations grow [wsws.org]
Two Texas teachers die of COVID-19 in the same school district [wsws.org]
Near-total abortion ban goes into effect in Texas [wsws.org] - Texas passes bill restricting voting rights after collapse of Democratic walkout [wsws.org]
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 03 2021, @02:47AM (1 child)
I don't see a problem with this. Sending out unsolicited absentee ballots is prima-facie election fraud and poll watchers are one of the most basic protections to ensure fair elections. Interfering with poll watchers should be a crime. [wikipedia.org].
(Score: 4, Touché) by DeathMonkey on Friday September 03 2021, @03:30PM
Good thing that is something that has literally never happened, eh?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 03 2021, @12:12PM (3 children)
The Texas abortion ban: A massive assault on democratic rights [wsws.org]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 03 2021, @12:49PM (2 children)
Kill them babies!
(Score: 5, Touché) by DeathMonkey on Friday September 03 2021, @03:32PM (1 child)
Vaccines: My body my choice!
Abortions: Your body my choice!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 03 2021, @05:18PM
Women's bodies are like iPhones. They don't own them, they are given license to use them, in compliance with the EULA.
Oh well, let's see how affects the women's vote. In theory, opposition candidates should win, if they don't, tough titties!
(Score: 2, Insightful) by khallow on Friday September 03 2021, @02:17AM (37 children)
(Score: 5, Insightful) by aristarchus on Friday September 03 2021, @03:37AM (16 children)
I, to the contrary, support a 25% increase in all spending, the expansion of Medicare, and the abolishing of Capitalism subsidies.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Friday September 03 2021, @04:06AM (15 children)
(Score: 3, Insightful) by DeathMonkey on Friday September 03 2021, @03:14PM (6 children)
Yes.
And the blue states will cover the vast majority of it, of course.
So don't worry, red states can still be welfare queen leeches and live off our taxes so what's the problem?
(Score: 1) by khallow on Friday September 03 2021, @05:53PM (5 children)
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 03 2021, @07:34PM
I don't believe it anyway. They're not covering the budget right now. Federal expenditure is in no way balanced.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 04 2021, @09:10AM (3 children)
Thanks for showing your complete lack of integrity and basic morality. Top kek!
(Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday September 05 2021, @04:16AM (2 children)
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 07 2021, @06:59PM (1 child)
Yes, non-republicans have a greater than .05% chance of having intact morality and integrity. Gotta love you going on the attack instead of addressing the sociopathic and hypicritical rey saying red states would spend blue state money better. It was always my dream to have my taxes line the pockets of businesses instead of funding government services for people that actually need help.
How's mammon these days?
(Score: 1) by khallow on Monday September 13 2021, @03:02AM
Good thing for you then because that's what you have. My take is that the point of those "government services" is to buy your vote for "lining the pockets of business". It's a bribe for the corrupt status quo.
Your altar needs a little polishing.
(Score: 2) by aristarchus on Friday September 03 2021, @10:20PM (7 children)
Shut up, khallow! You are thinking like a businessperson, not an economist. Money is not real, it is merely a medium of exchange. We do not "run out of it" as a society. Why are libertarians all such tightwads?
(Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday September 04 2021, @12:30AM (6 children)
Ok, so now we're talking more than money, we're talking exchanges. So what is being exchanged that matters to you?
Why wouldn't we be?
(Score: 2) by aristarchus on Saturday September 04 2021, @06:28AM (5 children)
Because, selfish, egoistic pricks with no social skills? Ayn Rand imitators? What is exchanged is Capital, the resources of a society. If you do not understand that, you do not remotely comprehend economics as a science. Sorry, khallow, but you are an idiot.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday September 04 2021, @10:37AM (4 children)
(Score: 3, Touché) by aristarchus on Saturday September 04 2021, @10:54AM (3 children)
Actually not, especially since they stole it from the workers in the first place.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday September 04 2021, @12:49PM (2 children)
And those workers "stole" it from somebody else, and so on. At some point, if you want a civilized society, you have to curb the theft. This is a great place to curb that theft. It's all centralized in one place. Just flip that switch to "less bad".
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 07 2021, @07:01PM (1 child)
Love when you do a self-own thinking it was a valid point.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Monday September 13 2021, @03:04AM
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Friday September 03 2021, @03:37AM (19 children)
Just need to cut the bailouts and restore the old tax rates. Can't make any cuts in a system that depends on usury, unless it's the usury that you're cutting
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 1) by khallow on Friday September 03 2021, @04:14AM (13 children)
Indeed. I'm fighting [soylentnews.org] usury too!
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Friday September 03 2021, @04:16AM (8 children)
:-) Of course you would! We would expect nothing less from a banker's boy!
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 1) by khallow on Friday September 03 2021, @04:37AM (7 children)
(Score: 2, Insightful) by fustakrakich on Friday September 03 2021, @04:45PM (6 children)
It's not an insult. You speak as a mouthpiece for the financial industry. I'll assume you profit from it. Where's the insult? And of course I disagree. You disrespect old people
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 3, Funny) by aristarchus on Friday September 03 2021, @10:29PM
The truth is far, far worse. khallow is not a spokeman for anything, he just worships Mammon, and adores richies. He is, in fact, a lickspittle, a scallywag and pollywog, a synchophant, a gamma male, a knave and a poltroon. He most resembles David Spade's character in "Coneheads, The Movie".
(Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday September 04 2021, @02:48AM (4 children)
Old people who've been stealing from young people for 80 years (in the case of US Social Security). Other public pension funds may vary in their degree and duration of theft.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Saturday September 04 2021, @04:21AM (3 children)
The only people doing any stealing are the bankers you support. I'll assume you profit from this theft also.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday September 04 2021, @10:38AM (2 children)
I already mentioned said old people getting a wealth transfer from young people. So your narrative is already disproved. Move on.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Saturday September 04 2021, @03:57PM
The banks are run by old people, so... touche
You are deluded to believe you have disproven anything I have said, You simply recite and profit from neoliberal propaganda of the financial industry. You are paid to believe I am wrong, so you must
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 3, Touché) by Runaway1956 on Saturday September 04 2021, @09:11PM
Yeah, we gotta do something about those gangs of old people running the streets, and robbing from kids.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 2) by Freeman on Friday September 03 2021, @03:01PM (1 child)
Yeah, that's just going to create another crisis or more crises or whatever. You need a plan that doesn't whack, those in need, off at the knees.
Joshua 1:9 "Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the Lord thy God is with thee"
(Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday September 04 2021, @03:26AM
Keep in mind that taxes paid for this stuff also whacks people off at the knees.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by cmdrklarg on Friday September 03 2021, @04:38PM (1 child)
I'd start with cutting bailouts to the wealthy and corporations. 100% cut.
Answer now is don't give in; aim for a new tomorrow.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday September 04 2021, @03:25AM
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Friday September 03 2021, @03:26PM (4 children)
Powell Says Fed Could Start Scaling Back Stimulus This Year [wsj.com]
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Friday September 03 2021, @04:49PM
"could"? start? The fed is the only thing keeping the stock market afloat. There will be no "scaling back". It;s just another bogus lie to cover where all the money is actually going, all without congressional, much less public input. Let's not hear any more silly talk about "debts" and "deficits" until this ends.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 2, Insightful) by fustakrakich on Friday September 03 2021, @05:06PM (2 children)
And you need to quit linking to paywalled articles. References have to be freely accessible or they are worthless
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 04 2021, @03:56AM (1 child)
It does show which media bias he supports enough to give them money.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday September 04 2021, @11:32AM
Which isn't saying much in this case.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 03 2021, @04:41PM (12 children)
Joe Manchin continues to represent the views and opinions of his constituents, as he is bound to do.
He has not, however, been elected to the presidency and as such does not have a veto, rather than a single vote in the senate which is irrelevant except on the narrowest of marginal votes. This doesn't make him president of anything, as opposed to a hurdle to fustakrakich's fantasies concerning what should happen. Fiscal concerns in particular drive a lot of his logic, and that of many other people's positions - but apparently that doesn't matter to fustakrakich, and by his lights shouldn't matter to anyone else, for reasons that are unclear.
But the blamegame keeps rolling strong.
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Friday September 03 2021, @04:50PM (3 children)
Last time Manchin pulled this trick he got a couple concessions added to the bill then voted for it.
This is an aspirational fusty journal!
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Friday September 03 2021, @04:59PM (2 children)
:-) Yes, nice big ones to water it down to worthlessness. SNAFU
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday September 04 2021, @11:33AM (1 child)
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Saturday September 04 2021, @03:51PM
Yeah, he's the guy the dems should be targeting as the main blockage to their "agenda", not the republicans. This is just part of their typical refusal to acknowledge their own failures they need to correct if they want to win more than 50%. The thing is, they don't, 50% is perfect for their blame game for reelection purposes
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 03 2021, @04:57PM (7 children)
Yes it certainly does.. The dems really know how to work the room. Manchin is acting president, he has more power, Biden is keeping the chair warm, just like Carter and Obama, making it available for the next republican, just another rerun..
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 03 2021, @06:06PM (6 children)
You're right! I never thought about it that way! Manchin controls the executive!
... wait, no?
OK, well, he controls discretionary spending of the executive!
... not? Oh, well...
He controls the state department, at least!
... really not?
But he's the CinC of the armed forces!
... not that either, huh?
He has veto power over legislation!
... oh, not exactly?
But he gets to nominate judges!
... not even that?
Suuuuure he's the president. And I'm the high poobah of inner buttfuckistan. He can't even hold control over the House whatsoever, best case he can trade his vote to other senators.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 03 2021, @06:29PM (5 children)
His vote in the senate constrains whatever the executive and the house wants. He has more power than either of them, and he is flexing it while you all remain in denial.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 03 2021, @07:22PM (4 children)
Really? Well, golly gee then we'd also better prepare twenty-one gun salutes for President Harris, because she has a tie-breaker vote. And President Snowe, because she could turn around and vote for things that Joe Manchin isn't. And, for that matter, President Rand Paul.
Starting to find a lot of presidents, now that we're poking under large, flat rocks to see what crawls out. Oh, hey there, president McConnell!
Whenever you have tight votes, you have holdouts. That doesn't make the president of anything except their own vote. Just as President Sinema if you don't believe me. President Cantwell will back me up on this one, too.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 03 2021, @08:50PM (3 children)
Nope, still needs Manchin, without him calling her won't help. In fact they won't call her because there is no tie without Manchin. He has the keys to kingdom.
Yes, the dems always maintain enough to keep good bills from passing. Worked like a charm during the 111th congress when they had a bigger majority than now. Very convenient they only need one to block everything now. The 50-50 split is cultivated by the Party to keep the blame shifting game alive and maintain their 95% reelection rates.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 03 2021, @08:52PM (2 children)
Ah. Right, I see.
I had no idea.
I must file this very important information in the file marked "conspiracy theories".
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 03 2021, @09:22PM
Always best to go with the official ones, everybody else does, but even they won't teach you arithmetic.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday September 04 2021, @11:51AM
At this point, the only really important question left is: does your file cabinet have an air-tight lid to keep the stench from getting out?
I peered [soylentnews.org] at past fusty journals to see what kind of legislation Manchin has been blocking. My take on this is that the quality of the stuff that "President" Manchin is allegedly torpedoing is abominable - excessive spending, dumbass labor and election policy, "progressive legislation", etc. If the Democrats really need this alleged theater to keep from making really bad decisions and passing really bad law, then carry on. I'm not going to obsess over the alleged fakeness of the situation when there's worse than hypocrisy in those blocked bills.