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With COVID out of control, Biden unveils hefty vaccine mandates:
President Joe Biden on Thursday unveiled a sweeping six-pronged plan to try to regain control over the COVID-19 pandemic, which is wildly raging once again in the US.
[...] The main focus of the president's "Path out of the Pandemic" plan is on reducing the number of unvaccinated people in the country. As such, the plan's most prominent elements are hefty vaccination requirements for millions of federal employees, health care workers, school employees, and even employees of private businesses.
Biden signed an executive order Thursday requiring COVID-19 vaccines for millions of federal workers plus millions more federal contractors. The new vaccine mandate eliminates a previous option that allowed federal workers to undergo regular testing in lieu of vaccination.
In addition to mandating vaccines for federal workers, Biden will also require vaccination for over 17 million health care workers who work at facilities that receive federal funding. The administration had previously required vaccination for all staff of federally funded nursing homes. The new requirements will extend vaccine mandates to hospitals, dialysis facilities, ambulatory surgical settings, and home health agencies—most facilities that receive Medicaid and Medicare reimbursements.
[...] The administration is also working on a rule—to be implemented through the Department of Labor's Occupational Safety and Health Administration—that will require employers with 100 or more workers to ensure that their workforce is fully vaccinated or submits to regular COVID-19 testing. The rule is expected to apply to over 80 million employees nationwide. OSHA is also working on a separate rule that will require those employers to provide paid time off to get vaccinated.
For schools, Biden will require vaccination for the nearly 300,000 staff in federal Head Start and Early Head start programs. He will also put pressure on governors to get all teachers and school staff vaccinated. Last, the administration will push more schools to implement regular testing, which will be funded by $10 billion the administration already allocated to schools earlier this year.
Also at CNN, www.aljazeera.com
(Score: 4, Funny) by EJ on Friday September 10 2021, @09:08AM (32 children)
Republicans are screaming, "My body, my choice!"
Democrats are screaming, "Not your choice!"
I woke up on the wrong side of the multiverse this week.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 10 2021, @09:27AM
(Score: 5, Insightful) by helel on Friday September 10 2021, @01:46PM (30 children)
If Republicans were capable of exercising some personal responsibility we wouldn't be here. Don't want the vaccine? Fine, just wear a mask and stay two meters away from others to cut transmission. That's what people around me have done if they don't want the shot and it's worked. If everyone had acted responsibly we wouldn't be seeing the massive numbers we now have and there'd be no need to make the vaccine mandatory.
Of course if they were capable of exercising personal responsibility they wouldn't be Republicans in the first place, so I guess my point is kinda moot.
(Score: -1, Troll) by HammeredGlass on Friday September 10 2021, @02:14PM (29 children)
Why does your umbrella require me to have an umbrella so that your umbrella will work correctly?
(Score: 2, Insightful) by c0lo on Friday September 10 2021, @02:26PM (8 children)
Think a bit that covid doesn't care about metaphors or your libhurties. You may find the answer to your question.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: -1, Troll) by HammeredGlass on Friday September 10 2021, @02:51PM (1 child)
One thing is clear is that you don't have an answer.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 10 2021, @04:13PM
None that I'm willing to give to you. Work for it, you lazy bum, you aren't entitled to anything in this world.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 10 2021, @04:30PM (5 children)
Between fascists and COVID, I very much prefer the virus.
The worst COVID can do is kill me in a week, while your masters made history being far more inventive and dragging out the process.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 10 2021, @05:21PM (1 child)
Whiny fascist is whiny when things don't go their way. Get the jab dumbass.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 10 2021, @07:35PM
No thanks. I gift my jabs to you. You may thank me for my generosity after your fourth revaccination.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 11 2021, @12:45AM (2 children)
Then go volunteer at the morgue sorting bodies with people who died of covid.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 11 2021, @12:55AM (1 child)
In my country, hospitals are not producing those things in any notable number. Maybe, them not getting paid obscene sums per day of treatment has something to do with it.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 13 2021, @08:19PM
Presuming that you are not just a big fat liar you owe your low COVID rates to people that listened to the scientists and did not politicize a freaking pandemic.
(Score: 5, Touché) by sjames on Friday September 10 2021, @03:41PM (17 children)
Because umbrellas protect against rain, not people pissing on you.
(Score: 1) by HammeredGlass on Friday September 10 2021, @03:54PM (16 children)
You're right, should use a rain suit and waders as the objects in this metaphor. Thanks for improving it.
Make the switch in your head and answer the question.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by sjames on Friday September 10 2021, @04:06PM (9 children)
Because a raincoat and waders protect against generally wet conditions, not somebody blasting you with a water cannon?
Get your shots Typhoid Mary!
(Score: 1) by HammeredGlass on Friday September 10 2021, @04:36PM (8 children)
"water cannon"
Now who's losing site of metaphorical relevance?
(Score: 2) by sjames on Friday September 10 2021, @04:47PM (7 children)
I'm going to guess the "grown up" whose more afraid of getting a shot than the average toddler.
(Score: 1) by HammeredGlass on Friday September 10 2021, @06:28PM (6 children)
Yes, because it's all a fear of the needle ouchie.
(Score: 2) by sjames on Saturday September 11 2021, @01:54PM (5 children)
So what is it, don't understand it, must be witchcraft?
Made it political, now can't lose face?
B list celebrities can't be wrong?
(Score: 1) by HammeredGlass on Saturday September 11 2021, @02:05PM (4 children)
https://soylentnews.org/comments.pl?noupdate=1&sid=44859&op=Reply&page=1&pid=1176700 [soylentnews.org]
(Score: 2) by sjames on Saturday September 11 2021, @03:02PM (3 children)
So because the vaccine might not be perfect and the CDC might not be perfect you prefer 0% over 90% because that 10% imperfection just chaps your hide? You believe a starving man should reject the ham sandwich and hold out for Filet Mignon even if there is no evidence it will ever arrive?
(Score: 1) by HammeredGlass on Saturday September 11 2021, @08:30PM (2 children)
You're not engaging in good faith, so fuck off forever.
(Score: 2) by sjames on Saturday September 11 2021, @08:52PM (1 child)
Why, because I didn't agree to accept everything you say without question?
(Score: 1) by HammeredGlass on Saturday September 11 2021, @09:39PM
Yes. That is the reason supreme. There is no other reason. You nailed it.
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Friday September 10 2021, @05:09PM (5 children)
So what you're saying it that we should have multiple layers of protection?
(Score: 1) by HammeredGlass on Friday September 10 2021, @05:33PM (4 children)
Yes, your parents should have used two condoms.
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Friday September 10 2021, @05:47PM (3 children)
Or even better yet, mom could be on the pill and dad could wear a condom. Those "two umbrellas" would be a lot less likely to result in a DeathMonkey than a single umbrella, yes?
(Score: 1) by HammeredGlass on Friday September 10 2021, @06:08PM (2 children)
Maybe if he bought Trojan brand condoms and she used a pill tested out in real clinical settings, and they didn't use grandma's knit prophylactics and Nuremberg population test guessing.
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Friday September 10 2021, @06:32PM (1 child)
You’ve fell victim to one of the classic blunders!
The most famous is never get involved in a land war in Asia, but only slightly less well known is this; never Godwin a thread, when DeathMonkey is on the line!
(Score: 1) by HammeredGlass on Friday September 10 2021, @08:42PM
I'm glad that you amuse yourself. That kind of thing is needed to not go mad in this world.
This -> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_Code [wikipedia.org] is not Godwinning a thread.
(Score: 3, Touché) by helel on Friday September 10 2021, @04:20PM (1 child)
For the sake of my curiosity, did you use that analogy because you don't understand how masks and social distancing work or did you come up with it knowing full well that the analogy is wrong?
(Score: 1) by HammeredGlass on Friday September 10 2021, @04:54PM
We're talking about a vaccine. I know the CDC moved the goalposts recently, that doesn't mean that you have to as well:
https://i.imgur.com/0uVrMgS.jpg [imgur.com]
New world order definition ---> https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/imz-basics.htm [cdc.gov]
Classic definition ----> https://web.archive.org/web/20210826113846/https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/imz-basics.htm [archive.org]
It's almost as if you can't remember Barack Obama and the rest of the elite getting caught on camera dancing the night away at a huge zero-mask, zero-social distancing party a month ago.
We know what this about though.
When we see this:
https://i.imgur.com/gtIsnSO.jpg [imgur.com] and this https://i.imgur.com/gtIsnSO.jpg [imgur.com]
We know that half of the reason is this:
https://i.imgur.com/r4FjUc0.png [imgur.com] and this https://i.imgur.com/5VBSUQK.png [imgur.com]
https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1682852/000119312518323562/d577473ds1.htm [sec.gov]
The other half being this:
Psaki, the CDC chief, and Biden all stated that it is not the role of the federal govt. to mandate vaccines and they would not do it as recently as July 2021
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/biden-administration-weighing-federal-mandate-covid-19-vaccine-cdc-director-2021-07-30/ [reuters.com]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ob3ER7fKeDs&t=115s [youtube.com]
https://streamable.com/sfv623 [streamable.com]
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by shortscreen on Friday September 10 2021, @09:37AM (6 children)
There's this thing going around. It's known to be dangerous and has resulted in many deaths, but people are spreading it everywhere and don't seem to care. We need some way to protect ourselves. Where is the vaccine against authoritarianism?
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 10 2021, @09:59AM
That's been around for a long time, all it takes is a few grams of lead, applied liberally to the infected.
(Score: 2) by FatPhil on Friday September 10 2021, @12:12PM
Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people; the smallest discuss themselves
(Score: -1, Troll) by NPC-131072 on Friday September 10 2021, @01:35PM
Hello fren,
Asking as someone on the intellectually and morally superior left, what's with this freedumb thing? [theamericanconservative.com]
(Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 10 2021, @02:34PM (2 children)
There's this thing going around. It's known to be dangerous and has resulted in many deaths, but people are spreading it everywhere and don't seem to care. We need some way to protect ourselves. Where is the vaccine against misinformation?
Fixed that for you. Most COVID deaths now could have been prevented if those people had been vaccinated. Unfortunately, many of them didn't get vaccinated because of misinformation. The government might not have to do any arm twisting if people weren't rejecting vaccines because of misinformation.
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 10 2021, @04:52PM (1 child)
And you JUST KNOW that YOU are not spreading misinformation here, because what? Someone INFALLIBLE told you so?
Surprisingly, NONE of the predictions made by those same someones came to pass in 1.5 years. Still INFALLIBLE because you have FAITH. Got it.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 12 2021, @07:48PM
Aww someone is modded flamebait for pointing out that Trump is a serial liar that led idiots into death's maw while stealing their money to "stop the steal"?
So sad, guess we should stop trying to help you morons. Suck it all down, give them your life savings. Also, engage your worst most violent fantasies so we can lock you MAGA terrorists up sooner rather than later. Traitors the lot of them.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 10 2021, @10:52AM (8 children)
The vaccines we currently have do not stop you from getting or transmitting covid. It prevents you from getting one symptom. It doesn't give you immunity to the delta variant either.
Why are the vaccinated being treated differently from unvaccinated? They have the same chance of spread. Should test both.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 10 2021, @11:57AM
These are all words.
(Score: 2) by FatPhil on Friday September 10 2021, @12:18PM (3 children)
2/3rds of our population are vaccinated, and 4/5 of our cases are unvaccinated. That looks like an odds ratio of 8:1, in favour of the vaccinated. And all the cases here are Delta. Looking at other countries where they also know that the needle goes in the shoulder muscle, or stats are completely unexceptional.
Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people; the smallest discuss themselves
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 10 2021, @04:45PM (2 children)
You are thinking with the wrong pair of hemispheres. You need to compare the distribution of cases to the distribution of TESTS.
If you never test a vaccinated person unless they are dying from pneumonia already, or test them at lowered sensitivity threshold that does not detect anything less than that, you get your "cases" artificially skewed.
https://www.medicine.news/2021-05-06-vaccinated-tested-pcr-28-cycles-guaranteed-negative.html [medicine.news]
Doing the above, you get positive tests and even the deaths also skewed, the only maybe-valid datapoints will be pneumonia deaths.
Find weekly number of pneumonia deaths vaccinated-vs-unvaccinated, and THEN you will have a chance to talk NOT out the ass.
(Score: 2) by FatPhil on Saturday September 11 2021, @12:46PM (1 child)
Are you now going to object that "it depends on how you hospitalise"?
Do you want me to hunt out the deaths stat?
Will you object "it depends on how you die"?
Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people; the smallest discuss themselves
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 11 2021, @08:52PM
If you cannot understand the written text, your problem is not COVID.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 10 2021, @01:29PM (1 child)
He's not entirely wrong, vaccinated individuals should continue testing.
Our house has two grade school kids, and two vaccinated adults. After about 5 weeks back at school our second grader got it 8/28. The next day both adults tested negative. 9/1 the kindergartener woke up with symptoms, and tested positive. I (vaccinated) tested positive with no symptoms that same day and got symptoms the following day. The wife (vaccinated) seemed in the clear got her fourth test in the last 2 weeks yesterday after feeling like crap all day, and is also positive. COVID is now 4/4 in our house where everyone who is eligible has been vaccinated.
Get vaccinated today. But continue to get tested any time you have a reason to.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 10 2021, @02:07PM
As fas as I know I've never needed to get tested.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 10 2021, @02:30PM
False. Even with the reduced efficacy of the Pfizer vaccine against the delta variant, it still does provide some protection against being infected. Vaccinated people are less likely to develop COVID, so they're also less likely to be spreading it to others.
Why do you, and so many others like you, insist on spreading misinformation?
(Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 10 2021, @12:58PM (2 children)
There is a joke going around Poland at the moment which encapsulates the national character perfectly:
A German is told he has to have the Covid vaccine. He is uncertain. ‘It’s an order,’ the doctor says, and so he agrees.
A British man is told the same. He wavers. ‘Do it for Queen and country,’ the doctor says. He agrees.
A French man is told ‘It’s the fashionable thing to do’, and he agrees, too.
Finally, a Pole has his turn. The doctor says: ‘You’re Polish, you definitely won’t take the vaccine.’ The Pole replies: ‘Don’t tell me what I think. Give me that vaccine!’
To add more reasons for NOT getting vaccinated:
1. Vaccinated? Your travel plans can be derailed due to political wrangling ongoing with the Covid debate:
Example: https://www.independent.co.uk/asia/india/accept-our-vaccines-or-face-consequences-india-warns-eu-b1876201.html [independent.co.uk]
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/lifestyle/travel/which-countries-have-banned-the-astrazeneca-covishield-indian-vaccine/ar-AAM8Tc5 [msn.com]
2. Pharma and Money a toxic motivator:
Example: Poland will give you the first vaccination free, then you have to pay thereafter.
Sounds just like a typical street level drug dealer, not a wonder they are skeptical.
3. Just like software, maybe waiting for a better version with some proven history is a good idea?
(Score: 0, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 10 2021, @01:46PM (1 child)
"3. Just like software, maybe waiting for a better version with some proven history is a good idea?"
Yes, that absolutely was a great plan about a year ago!
But now, it IS proven as much safer than getting the virus and effective and keeping you out of the ICU and lowering the odds of transmission.
The problem is that the big bad govt has said dumb thing so many times that if the get right, who's to know?
1) It will just go away. (To prevent panic.)
2) Masks are not helpful. (To save them for the docs.)
3) Masks are a sign of political beliefs. (A really cynical plan which actually kills your base?)
4) The vaccine is safe, full stop. (Provably wrong, because it has a few occasional side effects, but is a damn site safer than the alternative.)
5) Third dose? (Would it not be smarter to vaccinate the rest of the world first?)
So when they say that vaccine should be required, their batting history says otherwise even if this time they are actually correct.
Perhaps the first step should be to put folks without their shots on the bottom of the list for ICU beds, free rent, etc.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Friday September 10 2021, @02:34PM
Smart yes. Profitable? No. Therefore save first the people that can afford to buy your stuff.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 3, Funny) by Opportunist on Friday September 10 2021, @03:00PM (12 children)
If you force people to take the vaccine, infection rates will plumet and I have to go back to the office! My freedom to work from home is at stake here, you can't let that happen just to save a few idiots!
(Score: 2) by EJ on Friday September 10 2021, @03:44PM (1 child)
You're also forgetting climate change. Look at the impact the pandemic is having on smog.
(Score: 2) by Opportunist on Friday September 10 2021, @04:51PM
Why'd I care about that, I'll be dead before the rivers flood my living room.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 10 2021, @04:36PM (7 children)
If you think cases in the US are about to plummet, keep watching.
(Score: 2) by Opportunist on Friday September 10 2021, @04:59PM (6 children)
You're right, I shouldn't worry. The idiots are too numerous to have that vaccine threaten my comfort levels any time soon.
Well, in true red-white-and-blue American fashion, when it comes to vaccines: I got mine. Screw you.
And in this case, I don't even have any problems with my conscience because you literally had your chance.
(with "you" not addressing you personally but these people who "think for themselves", which essentially means they let YouTube and Reddit decide what's good for their health rather than science)
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 10 2021, @08:11PM (5 children)
Remember that bold verbiage when you come for your fourth revaccination, an year from now.
If some ex-antivaxxer holdout will be going to get the jab next to future you, he will be 5 shots ahead of you in this nice Russian roulette game.
(Score: 2) by Opportunist on Friday September 10 2021, @10:25PM (4 children)
What Russian roulette? I'd rather take my chances with a vaccine that has a side effect rate that borders a lottery jackpot than a lethal disease that I have a pretty good chance to get every time I spend more than an hour with other people in the same room.
If you want to talk death rates, at least have half a clue about statistics before you do, so you don't look like a total idiot.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 11 2021, @01:17AM (3 children)
https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Coronavirus/COVID-vaccines/Mongolia-s-mass-jabs-fail-to-suppress-COVID-spread2 [nikkei.com]
Your calling someone else idiot, does not magically make you smart, nor even make you look smart. Remember that fact, even if some manual taught you otherwise.
If YOU want to talk death rates, notice that the number of those who died from COVID is 1/10 or less (depending on age) of those who died from other causes, for those under 50; and if we limit ourselves to the COVID pneumonia (that thing media constantly scare people with), it is less than 1/10 for ALL age groups.
See, if I have 90%+ chance to die from something unrelated, WHAT FOR should I repeatedly go tempt the fate with your beloved vaccine? No matter what its side effect rate does finally turn out being.
(Score: 2) by Opportunist on Saturday September 11 2021, @10:26AM (2 children)
Hmm. Let's see what people die from in the US [cdc.gov], shall we?
And let's take a look at the Covid related deaths [worldometers.info]. Of course this number represents 1.5 years, so we might want to adjust it. I trust you can do the math.
Well, let's be honest here, it's hard to beat heart diseases and cancer in the death statistics, they are just way, way too far in the lead. But being third ain't so bad, is it?
Now, of course Covid preys mostly on the elderly but guess what: So do heart diseases and cancer. A 65 year old is roughly ten times as likely to die in any given year than a 35 year old. Of any reason.
In other words, I'd still rather take my chances with your "Russian roulette". But hey, as long as there's people like you, infection rates stay up and I can stay in my home office.
In other words, carry on! And thank you for risking, and maybe losing, your life just for my comfort.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 11 2021, @09:02PM (1 child)
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm#AgeAndSex [cdc.gov]
Your being unable (or is it "unable"?) to find the data, in this day and age, and dragging in Worldometer of all things, instead, is really pathetic. Isn't it?
The word salad that follows, is totally irrelevant, as I suspect you perfectly well know.
As to you taking your chances with whatever, it is totally and absolutely not my business. As to vaccines having anything much to do with infection rates, if the examples of Israel and Mongolia did not enlighten you already... well, let's hope placebo effect works for you. Unshakable faith can be useful sometimes even if wrong.
https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Coronavirus/COVID-vaccines/Mongolia-s-mass-jabs-fail-to-suppress-COVID-spread2 [nikkei.com]
(Score: 2) by Opportunist on Monday September 13 2021, @03:27PM
No, I don't know. Please elaborate.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 10 2021, @11:17PM (1 child)
yes we heard you the last half-dozen times you posted to inform us that you're a self-centered twat
(Score: 2) by Opportunist on Saturday September 11 2021, @10:15AM
Is it annoying to see that your "but muh freedumbz" tantrum is actually enjoyable for someone you tried to piss off with it?
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 10 2021, @04:33PM (2 children)
When COVID still doesn't go away, whose fault will it be and what will the next measures look like? Will it be because of the USPS employees? The kids under 12? The zoo animals?
Just trying to get ahead of the narrative, you've all spent nearly 2 years being aggressively wrong so why stop now?
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 10 2021, @05:25PM (1 child)
What an amazing hypothetical to illustrate how dumb you truly are.
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 10 2021, @08:20PM
The really dumb one is that useless loser who wasted PR budget hiring you.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 10 2021, @05:37PM
Got it. Wild, crazy, out of control. Slaughtering americans like lambs in a wolf party. 0.5% - no, 1% - no, 2%+! There'll be over 6 million dead from the 'rona, not to mention all those who poisoned themselves eating horse paste, injecting bleach and sacrificing themselves to volcano-gods. The virus is rapidly mutating to the Gamma Strain, and is omnipresent in everything from raccoons to rattlesnakes, we're never getting rid of our new viral friend.
Got it. All hope already abandoned, we're in hell, done.
Can we just give up all pretence and wear masks and socially isolate forever, now? Because this is the long-term plan, including for the vaccinated. You got your shots, and boosters, and you're a hero of the vaccination revolution, and they still want you socially isolating and masking up like a bandit in an old cowboy B-movie. This is the new America, right?
(Before the troll brigade starts: yeah, got my jab, blahblahblah, this is about the government's attitude to the population, not the merits of virology.)
(Score: 3, Interesting) by EJ on Friday September 10 2021, @08:21PM (1 child)
My personal opinion about the vaccine is like jury duty, voting, and the draft.
I feel like it is something you should do without regard for your own personal well-being.
Nobody has to agree with me, but it's just my opinion. Get the vaccine.
Maybe ten years from now, you find out it causes you to get butt-cancer. Well, that sucks.
It's still worth it to do everything in your power to try to protect your neighbors.
(Score: 0, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 11 2021, @01:23AM
Some 70+ years ago, people believed protecting their neighbors from fascism takes precedence.
(Score: 2) by Username on Saturday September 11 2021, @02:16PM (3 children)
I own a gun to protect myself.
Why would I need to force others to get a gun to protect themselves if they don't want it?
They're the ones with the disadvantage.
Likewise, being vaccinated prevents me from dying from covid, but doesn't prevent me from getting or transmitting covid.
I can store up and grow as much bioweaponry as I want. Only people who will die are the unvaccinated.
What is the problem with letting people who want to die from covid, die from covid?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 11 2021, @03:19PM
The fundamental principle of governance is that the "citizen" does not have ownership of their own life, but places it subservient to the needs of government. Government requires people to be "productive" in economic terms, so they must not die prematurely, be unemployed and not rich, or live purely through subsistence. "Liberty" is for the rulers, not the ruled...
(Score: 2) by PocketSizeSUn on Sunday September 12 2021, @10:04AM (1 child)
Great. Now explain to Israel that they are not dying of COVID 'cause they are all vaccinated.
(Score: 2) by Username on Sunday September 12 2021, @10:16AM
Sure. You're dying with covid, not from covid.