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posted by janrinok on Saturday September 11, @07:03AM   Printer-friendly

Today marks the 20th anniversary of the 9/11 attacks. These were "a series of four coordinated terrorist attacks [...] against the United States of America on the morning of Tuesday, September 11, 2001."

Of the 2,977 people who died, 2,605 were U.S. citizens and 372 non-U.S. citizens (excluding the 19 perpetrators). More than 90 countries lost citizens in the attacks, including the United Kingdom (67 deaths), the Dominican Republic (47 deaths), India (41 deaths), Greece (39 deaths), South Korea (28 deaths), Canada (24 deaths), Japan (24 deaths), Colombia (18 deaths), Jamaica (16 deaths), Philippines (16 deaths), Mexico (15 deaths), Trinidad and Tobago (14 deaths), Ecuador (13 deaths), Australia (11 deaths), Germany (11 deaths), Italy (10 deaths), Bangladesh (6 deaths), Ireland (6 deaths), Pakistan (6 deaths), and Poland (6 deaths).

It was a tragedy not only for America, but for the world.

 
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  • (Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday September 11, @01:23PM (11 children)

    by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Saturday September 11, @01:23PM (#1176983) Journal

    And we destabilized the region by removing pretty much the only thing that kept the whole IS crap under the lid.

    That's how dictators operate. Destabilize everything until their presence is the only thing keeping it together. It didn't quite work out for Assad.

  • (Score: 2) by Opportunist on Saturday September 11, @01:26PM (10 children)

    by Opportunist (5545) on Saturday September 11, @01:26PM (#1176984)

    He didn't have to destabilize anything, we were pretty effective at that already.

    The history of the Middle East is one of blunders. Ours, theirs, and most of all one of post-colonialism. If you draw lines arbitrarily in the sand without giving half a shit about where peoples live, you create future conflicts.

    That's not exactly a surprise, is it?

    • (Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday September 11, @05:26PM (7 children)

      by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Saturday September 11, @05:26PM (#1177031) Journal

      He didn't have to destabilize anything,

      To the contrary, he probably did in order to stay in power. The factions of Iraq would need to be balanced against each so that no faction grows organized enough to take out Saddam. Common outcome is that when the strongman goes away, the factions turn on each other.

      • (Score: 2) by Opportunist on Saturday September 11, @06:14PM (6 children)

        by Opportunist (5545) on Saturday September 11, @06:14PM (#1177039)

        Well, the solution to Yugoslavia was to have a civil war, then break apart and form a bunch of increasingly successful successor states.

        Then again, they were lucky. They had no oil. And an EU next door that is quite interested in stable neighbors.

        • (Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday September 11, @07:30PM (5 children)

          by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Saturday September 11, @07:30PM (#1177061) Journal
          Exactly. They weren't particularly lucky since the civil war lasted a while and there was a bit of genocide in there.
          • (Score: 2) by Opportunist on Saturday September 11, @08:28PM (4 children)

            by Opportunist (5545) on Saturday September 11, @08:28PM (#1177082)

            Well, compared to Iraq...

            • (Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday September 11, @08:41PM

              by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Saturday September 11, @08:41PM (#1177086) Journal
              Not much different is it?
            • (Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday September 11, @11:35PM (2 children)

              by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Saturday September 11, @11:35PM (#1177124) Journal
              Also note that IS really was created by the destabilization of Syria rather than Iraq. And that happened while Bashar al-Assad was in command.
              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 12, @01:56AM (1 child)

                by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 12, @01:56AM (#1177148)

                Uh, only because we started bombing them.

                • (Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday September 12, @11:05AM

                  by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Sunday September 12, @11:05AM (#1177204) Journal
                  The Syrian civil war started in 2011 with the Arab Spring. ISIL's invasion of Iraq started at the end of 2013. Any bombing of ISIL in Syria by the US and allies would have happened after that. So no the timing is wrong for your narrative.
    • (Score: 2) by PinkyGigglebrain on Saturday September 11, @06:18PM

      by PinkyGigglebrain (4458) on Saturday September 11, @06:18PM (#1177040)

      If you draw lines arbitrarily in the sand without giving half a shit about where peoples live, you create future conflicts.

      Sadly even when you do give a shit about where people live they will still attack their neighbors for some reason, ranging from religion, resources, imagined slights that happened 100s of years ago, etc.. Just look at India and Pakistan. That border was drawn with full thought to where the different groups lived and the border is still a cluster fuck.

      --
      "Beware those who would deny you Knowledge, For in their hearts they dream themselves your Master."
    • (Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday September 11, @11:33PM

      by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Saturday September 11, @11:33PM (#1177123) Journal

      If you draw lines arbitrarily in the sand without giving half a shit about where peoples live, you create future conflicts.

      I agree with Pinky on this one. You can't draw a line that will fix what's wrong with the Middle East or anywhere else where conflicts are neighbor to neighbor rather than well defined regions.