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posted by janrinok on Saturday September 11, @07:03AM   Printer-friendly

Today marks the 20th anniversary of the 9/11 attacks. These were "a series of four coordinated terrorist attacks [...] against the United States of America on the morning of Tuesday, September 11, 2001."

Of the 2,977 people who died, 2,605 were U.S. citizens and 372 non-U.S. citizens (excluding the 19 perpetrators). More than 90 countries lost citizens in the attacks, including the United Kingdom (67 deaths), the Dominican Republic (47 deaths), India (41 deaths), Greece (39 deaths), South Korea (28 deaths), Canada (24 deaths), Japan (24 deaths), Colombia (18 deaths), Jamaica (16 deaths), Philippines (16 deaths), Mexico (15 deaths), Trinidad and Tobago (14 deaths), Ecuador (13 deaths), Australia (11 deaths), Germany (11 deaths), Italy (10 deaths), Bangladesh (6 deaths), Ireland (6 deaths), Pakistan (6 deaths), and Poland (6 deaths).

It was a tragedy not only for America, but for the world.

 
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  • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 11, @12:17PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 11, @12:17PM (#1176959)

    but mostly for civilians in the middle east.

    https://watson.brown.edu/costsofwar/figures/2019/direct-war-death-toll-2001-801000

  • (Score: 4, Touché) by looorg on Saturday September 11, @12:25PM

    by looorg (578) on Saturday September 11, @12:25PM (#1176962)

    I think my lasting personal memory of it is that I had once been up in the the tower on the observation deck and looked out over the city and now it was gone. It was a bit weird.

  • (Score: 2) by UncleSlacky on Saturday September 11, @12:34PM

    by UncleSlacky (2859) on Saturday September 11, @12:34PM (#1176968)

    There's a great Twitter thread collecting all the craziest things that happened as a result of 9/11: https://twitter.com/ExileGrimm/status/1436340416513810434 [twitter.com]

  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday September 11, @03:53PM (14 children)

    by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Saturday September 11, @03:53PM (#1177007) Journal

    I was in 8th grade in 2001 and attending school in the Bronx--ironically, it was during an American History class. I saw the smoke clouds rising. And something told me we were going to do exactly the wrong thing.

    Well, 20 years later, the terrorists won. Worse than that I have an awful premonition that the US is now going to attempt to, if not ally with, at least bargain with the Taliban as the "legitimate governing body" of Afghanistan, probably to stick it to ISIS and/or China one way or another. 20 years of this bullshit, and for *what?*

    Afghanistan is truly the graveyard of empires. What's worst about all of this, though, is the US fell into the *precise same trap it set for the Soviet Union 2 decades prior!* How the HELL does that happen?! Well, the terrorists won, and they won exactly the way they predicted they would.

    --
    I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
    • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 11, @04:12PM (2 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 11, @04:12PM (#1177017)

      It happened because of Neoconservatives, Left wing Jews who left the Democratic party years ago to join the Republican Party when the Democratic Party decided they were not so keen on supporting Israel anymore. The Neocons in GWB's administration were the force pushing these Middle Eastern "democratic makeover" wars. The entire GWB administration thought that was a great idea because they bought into that ideology.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 11, @04:40PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 11, @04:40PM (#1177022)

        I will add that neoconservative ideology has been put to the test and found to be a flop. It has been thoroughly discredited, with only the original believers who put it into action (GWB administration) still believing it.

        • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 11, @04:43PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 11, @04:43PM (#1177023)

          Oh, and neocons, having come originally from the Left, are not limited to the GOP. Hillary Clinton was a big neocon in her foreign policy.

    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by mhajicek on Saturday September 11, @04:17PM (3 children)

      by mhajicek (51) on Saturday September 11, @04:17PM (#1177018)

      "We" walked into that trap intentionally. An excuse was needed to run the military industrial complex, the money pump, while keeping us in a constant state of emergency so we would surrender our freedoms.

      • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 11, @07:05PM (2 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 11, @07:05PM (#1177054)

        I don't fully disagree, but I find that line of reasoning to be way overblown. Congress, and particularly the House, are as impulsive and irrational as the general population. 9/11 was scary in many ways, before the passage of time allowed some perspective. Most people, including politicians, took it very personally and wanted to do something about it. There was a real fear that 9/11 was just the start and that there were all these overlooked sleeper cells around and that there were going to be chemical and nuclear attacks to follow, which is why so many draconian policies were enacted, both to stop perceived imminent next attacks as well as to assuage people that steps were being taken to keep them safe. Of course, once you put in place laws and policies like that, it is very hard politically to remove them, which is why you need the pendulum to swing too far so that you can bring it back.

        There are always opportunists around, and after 9/11 it was the influence of the neocon academics who believed that all you needed to do to fix the Middle East was to remove their shackles and they'll rise up and naturally choose a liberal democracy for a government. Saddam was the easiest target because he was a secular leader. They took him out and it turned into a great big mess. There was no follow up plan, because why would you need one when the people were going to suddenly organize themselves into a representative government (after having essentially banned everyone who knew how to run a government and throwing them out on the streets) and then, one by one, the people in neighboring countries would all follow suit and voila!, a new and Enlightened Middle East! When the real Arab Spring happened, the neocons felt vindicated ("See? We told you! The reason it didn't happen in Iraq was that GWB did it wrong!"), until it fell apart.

        The MIC always makes money, whether it is wartime or peacetime. They'll happily make more of the same, if you're in a war, and make new and better stuff if in peacetime. They don't have to push foreign policy in any particular direction because they're going to get paid either way.

        • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Saturday September 11, @09:41PM (1 child)

          by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Saturday September 11, @09:41PM (#1177104) Homepage Journal

          You don't capture the atmosphere in Washington at the time, unless you mention the anthrax scare, the beltway shooter, emphasize the attack on the Pentagon which is basically right across the river from the Capitol. We had a horde of screaming, crying, terrified children making policy after 9/11/01.

          --
          Let's go Brandon!
          • (Score: 2) by mhajicek on Saturday September 11, @09:43PM

            by mhajicek (51) on Saturday September 11, @09:43PM (#1177105)

            You mean approving policy, not making it. Everything was written and awaiting an excuse beforehand.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 11, @04:57PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 11, @04:57PM (#1177026)

      How exactly did the terrorists win? Unless you a count a fraction of them surviving or outlasting you as winning.
      Also you didn't walk into the same trap as the Soviet union. America more or less pushed the Soviet union into the trap. Question might be who pushed you? Who pushed the British before the Soviets etc.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 11, @05:28PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 11, @05:28PM (#1177032)

      The Taliban said to the Americans when they first began their occupation, "You have all the clocks, but we have all the time."

      It was worse than just a waste of money and lives. Our actions in Afghanistan over the last twenty years resulted in a doubling of the number of Afghans living in poverty today, as compared to in 2001.

      And, all that nonsense about liberating women in Afghanistan was given lie by the fact that during the US occupation of Afghanistan, Afghanistan was tied for second worse place in the world to be a woman.

      But, as for why we were there so long? $300M/day from public coffers largely to private military contractors is a cash cow for those companies that I imagine they were willing to provide a lot of bribes ^H^H^Hcampaign contributions to keep flowing.

      • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 12, @02:21AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 12, @02:21AM (#1177154)

        all that nonsense about liberating women in Afghanistan

        Ism widdle babby no wike mean feminists its ok widdle babby nappy time make widdle babby feel awwwww better

    • (Score: -1, Spam) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 11, @06:30PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 11, @06:30PM (#1177044)

      it happened because Jews have infiltrated and exert a disproportionately high influence in all white nations and use that influence to destroy the white race and use their nations to build Greater Israel. Learn about the International, Talmudic Jew and everything will start to make sense.

      It will ruin movies and other frivolous stuff full of Jew lies, though.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 12, @02:15AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 12, @02:15AM (#1177153)

        Which movies? Like the Passion of Mel Gibson? Dogma? Fritz Lang's Metropolis? Life of Brian? End of Rebuild of Evangelion?

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 11, @11:46PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 11, @11:46PM (#1177126)

      Well, 20 years later, the terrorists won.

      Wrong! 20 years later, and the terrorist invaders were chased off! Still no introspection in the USA

  • (Score: -1, Spam) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 11, @06:39PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 11, @06:39PM (#1177046)

    the Jews fill the airwaves with lies and propaganda to keep the willfully, negligently ignorant americans clueless for another 20 years, all while crying crocodile tears about the victims of the attacks.

  • (Score: 2) by isostatic on Saturday September 11, @06:48PM (3 children)

    by isostatic (365) on Saturday September 11, @06:48PM (#1177049) Journal

    More people died from motor vehicles in the U.S. in September 2001 than died from terrorism.

    The same had happened in August, and happened again in October. And November. And December.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 11, @08:10PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 11, @08:10PM (#1177076)

      Why do they still give licenses to Muslims if they're such dangerous drivers?

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 11, @09:49PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 11, @09:49PM (#1177109)

      And . . . ? What's your point? That it can be ignored? That more attention should be paid to vehicle accidents? Some other unrelated third thing?

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 12, @02:43PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 12, @02:43PM (#1177229)

        Probably that 20 years of warfare and over-the-horizon drone terrorism, even blowing up such dastardly villains as Doctors Without Borders, is not a proportionate response.

        Probably also other things like backscatter cancer machines at airports too.

        Imagine if we devoted a fraction of those resources to the eradication of COVID. Instead we're murdering our own children, who can't be vaccinated, while hyperventilating about vaccines.

  • (Score: 2) by inertnet on Saturday September 11, @10:07PM

    by inertnet (4071) on Saturday September 11, @10:07PM (#1177114)

    It was already afternoon here in Europe. As soon as the seriousness of the events became apparent, we had to stop working and just watched everything on live television until late in the evening. Couldn't get back to work that day, I soon realized that this was one of those historic moments. All we could do was sit, or walk around, and watch in awe. The impact was silencing, even though I surely didn't know any of the victims, it still was heartbreaking.

    To emphasize the scale of it, the dust cloud was visible from space.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 12, @02:35AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 12, @02:35AM (#1177157)
  • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Monday September 13, @02:51PM

    by Phoenix666 (552) Subscriber Badge on Monday September 13, @02:51PM (#1177429) Journal

    I was at my girlfriend's apartment on 7th Avenue & 15th Street in Park Slope, Brooklyn that morning. It was a gorgeous, clear day with nary a cloud in the sky. My girlfriend was in the shower, listening to NPR on the radio. She called out, "Oh my god, an airplane hit the World Trade Center." I instantly replied, "It's a terror attack;" there was no chance a pilot had hit the building accidentally on a day with unlimited visibility.

    She got dressed and I walked her to the 7th Ave stop of the F train at 9th Street. The column of smoke was already trailing overhead and little bits of burning paper were cartwheeling down around our heads. We commented how weird it was going to be to have the World Trade Center with a big hole in the side. I kissed her and kept going on 7th Avenue to my apartment at 6th Street. When I reached the corner of my block, the ground shook and a woman leaned out her fourth floor window and screamed that the first tower had collapsed.

    I spent most of the morning reading situation updates on Slashdot. I went out at noon to donate blood at the Methodist hospital on 6th Street & 7th Ave; there was a huge line of people waiting to do the same, but the facility was not equipped to handle it so they turned everyone away. We stood around on the sidewalk feeling helpless while fighter jets flew cover overhead. The twin columns of smoke stretched across the sky and the air smelled like burnt metal; it stayed that way for months afterward. Every person in New York became kind and careful with each other for half a year, before reverting to form.

    Years later I hired a guy who had built the video footage archiving servers for one of the top networks. They had footage from sky cams, traffic cams, and live camera shots from NYC and DC that day. He made a secret, private copy before the FBI showed up and confiscated everything.

    The guy said I needed to look at one weird thing and showed me footage from a traffic cam in DC. It looked down an avenue that paralleled the side of the Pentagon that got hit. You could see a pickup truck in the intersection, and for 3-4 frames you could see a white object flying over the truck toward the Pentagon. It was too blurry to make out details, but it was roughly the length of the pickup and not as high. It was flying about 30-40 feet off the ground.

    In other words, the dimensions of the craft were not those of a 747, and it was flying at a height between buildings that a passenger jet's wingspan could not have managed. It was almost certainly a cruise missile.

    That means, either the 9/11 terrorists got their hands on a cruise missile and learned how to fire it, or the US government fired the cruise missile and it hit the Pentagon by accident or by design. My own theory is that Cheney ordered the Air Force to shoot down the 3rd passenger plane over water, and hit the Pentagon in a spot where there were few people to cover for that fact; that theory is bolstered by the remains of the 4th jet in Pennsylvania, that supposedly crashed when the passengers stormed the cockpit. Except, the remains looked a whole lot more like a plane that was blown up than a plane that crashed into the ground. In other words, I think Cheney had that plane shot down too, and came up with the cover story that the passengers crashed it.

    --
    Washington DC delenda est.
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