Firm raises $15m to bring back woolly mammoth from extinction
Ten thousand years after woolly mammoths vanished from the face of the Earth, scientists are embarking on an ambitious project to bring the beasts back to the Arctic tundra. The prospect of recreating mammoths and returning them to the wild has been discussed – seriously at times – for more than a decade, but on Monday researchers announced fresh funding they believe could make their dream a reality.
The boost comes in the form of $15m (£11m) raised by the bioscience and genetics company Colossal, co-founded by Ben Lamm, a tech and software entrepreneur, and George Church, a professor of genetics at Harvard Medical School who has pioneered new approaches to gene editing.
The scientists have set their initial sights on creating an elephant-mammoth hybrid by making embryos in the laboratory that carry mammoth DNA. The starting point for the project involves taking skin cells from Asian elephants, which are threatened with extinction, and reprogramming them into more versatile stem cells that carry mammoth DNA. The particular genes that are responsible for mammoth hair, insulating fat layers and other cold climate adaptions are identified by comparing mammoth genomes extracted from animals recovered from the permafrost with those from the related Asian elephants. These embryos would then be carried to term in a surrogate mother or potentially in an artificial womb. If all goes to plan – and the hurdles are far from trivial – the researchers hope to have their first set of calves in six years.
[...] The project is framed as an effort to help conserve Asian elephants by equipping them with traits that allow them to thrive in vast stretches of the Arctic known as the mammoth steppe. But the scientists also believe introducing herds of elephant-mammoth hybrids to the Arctic tundra may help restore the degraded habitat and combat some of the impacts of the climate crisis. For example, by knocking down trees, the beasts might help to restore the former Arctic grasslands.
Previously: Woolly Mammoth Genome Sequenced
Resurrection of the Woolly Mammoth Could Begin in Two Years
Analysis Supports Conservation of Existing Species Rather Than De-Extinction of Mammoths
Mammoth DNA Activates Briefly in Mouse Eggs
(Score: 4, Insightful) by c0lo on Tuesday September 14 2021, @10:55AM (16 children)
With the climate warming up, maybe it's not such a brilliant idea to resurrect a species that was adapted to Ice Age conditions.
Perhaps more attention to pay to saving the present living species on their way to extinction due to a reckless humanity?
But again... the ways to make profit from the commons are fewer by the day, and this one clearly have potential to part the fools and their money.
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(Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 14 2021, @11:23AM (6 children)
if you think about it, humans are really mocking the natural order by doing this.
polar bears are literally starving to death or killing themselves by swimming too large distances between disappearing chunks of ice. orangutans are having their forests cut down from under them. and so on.
and yet, humans think the solution to global warming is to breed hybrid elephant mammoths that will destroy forests throughout Siberia, allowing grasslands to come back. at least that's the way I understand this summary. honestly, they're not even trying.
some rich asshole is bored with elephant and whale meat, and wants to try mammoth meat.
the scientists involved want to maintain some appearance of sanity, and they make absurd claims that bringing back the mammoth will help the climate.
look... if you're too ashaimed of the reasons behind your actions, then maybe you should reconsider what you're doing, instead of making up bullshit.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by c0lo on Tuesday September 14 2021, @12:07PM
You really think that they are doing it as "the solution to global warming"?
My nose smells "VC creating unicorns to sell".
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(Score: 2) by DannyB on Tuesday September 14 2021, @03:24PM
At least they're not wanting to try human meat.
They probably wouldn't like it. But you never know unless you try.
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(Score: 2) by HiThere on Tuesday September 14 2021, @03:37PM
I really doubt that mammoths would destroy forests. That seems foolish speculation, and without any reasonable basis in fact.
OTOH, I don't think there's any reasonable place for them to live. Even buffalo are having a hard time. But perhaps there are areas of the tundra that could support mammoths but not bison. In that case polar bears might need to find a new hunting style to exploit a new food source. (I can be silly too.)
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(Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday September 15 2021, @01:10AM (2 children)
My take is that "natural order", or rather your conception of it, needs some mocking. No amount of fatuous sanctimony will bring back a species that has gone extinct. This technology will.
And if we can bring back mammoths from being extinct for over 6,000 years, then we definition can do something more recent like bring back polar bears or orangutans from the edge of extinction.
My take is that doing the right is more important than why you're doing the right thing. If hypocrisy brings back the mammoths, I'll consider it a great deal.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 17 2021, @05:08PM (1 child)
"Bringing back" species is pointless if we continue to occupy the land they need and perpetuate the conditions that led to their extinction. These "mammoths" will only benefit zoos and novelty meat producers.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday September 18 2021, @12:10AM
"IF". There's still quite a bit of unoccupied, mammoth-friendly land out there, such as most of Siberia. And if they were hunted to extinction in the first place, then not hunting them to extinction a second time would qualify as perpetuating a different sort of conditions.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 14 2021, @11:34AM (3 children)
Hunting was probably more responsible than warming temperatures, although both would have contributed.
The main reason not to do this, in my opinion, is that they would still be mammoth/elephant hybrids, and not true mammoths. An elephant with extra fur isn't a mammoth. Once they have the real deal DNA they can think about it. This isn't reviving mammoths, it's creating a new species. It's not a given that this is a good idea. Reintroduction of locally extinct species has sometimes been good, but this isn't a reintroduction, it's a whole new genetically engineered species.
De-extinction is something that has to go exactly right the first time. Rather than starting with a giant, cuddly animal that already has cartoon characters, they should dig up some mouse bones from a pyramid and practice on them.
(Score: 1) by shrewdsheep on Tuesday September 14 2021, @01:21PM (2 children)
I wouldn't call this hybrids, I would call this transgenic elephants. They could certainly go on replacing more and more of the genome using crossing (I suppose that the mammoth sequence is known).
(Score: 2) by HiThere on Tuesday September 14 2021, @03:40PM (1 child)
Well, a lot of the genome *is* the same. And I suspect that much of the mammoth genome is unknown. (Paleo-DNA tends to be highly degraded.)
Also, there were several different kinds of mammoth. So it might be hard to tell the difference between a true mammoth and a "transgenic elephant". But the diets they were adapted to were presumably different.
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(Score: 2) by takyon on Tuesday September 14 2021, @04:12PM
Woolly Mammoth Genome Sequenced [soylentnews.org]
Genomes of Living and Extinct Elephant Species Sequenced [soylentnews.org]
Neanderthals Shared Genetic Similarities With Woolly Mammoths [soylentnews.org]
Million-Year-Old Mammoth DNA Rewrites Animal's Evolutionary Tree [soylentnews.org]
I'm pretty sure there are multiple decent copies of mammoth genomes by now. By 2035 or whenever they feel like making Mammoth 2.0, even better data and supercomputers will be available.
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(Score: 1, Redundant) by HammeredGlass on Tuesday September 14 2021, @12:11PM (4 children)
The current ice age we are exiting from, would be regardless of human acceleration, is three million years old. What you refer to as the ice age that ended ~11 thousand years ago was merely an glacial period of the aforementioned ice age.
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Tuesday September 14 2021, @04:51PM (3 children)
Yep, it took us 3 million years to get through the first half of the warming and about 3 decades to get through the second half.
That rate of change to the rate of change is totally fine.
(Score: 1) by HammeredGlass on Tuesday September 14 2021, @07:31PM (2 children)
It wasn't going to take three million more years to completely exit that ice age.
https://www.sciencemag.org/lookup/doi/10.1126/science.aaw1114 [sciencemag.org]
A major driving force that dwarfs human's tiny solutions that are not capable of affecting is obliquity.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 14 2021, @07:37PM (1 child)
Republicans understand just enough science to get suckered by bullshit.
(Score: 1) by HammeredGlass on Wednesday September 15 2021, @12:19AM
That's a published, peer-reviewed, and cited, article.
Fuck off forever, you tarded coward!
(Score: 2) by looorg on Tuesday September 14 2021, @12:04PM (8 children)
It's both appalling and intriguing at the same time. It's nice to have the ability to bring back what was once extinct, for once not by modern human hands. But at the same time at what purpose? Why do we need Woolly mammoth hybrids roaming the earth again? Are they filling some kind of niche we need? Beyond playing God or whatever.
At the same time I look forward to Mammoth steak if they become just common enough ...
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday September 14 2021, @12:23PM (4 children)
Mammoth steak? Maybe. I'll use the American bison as an example. I often ate beefalo burgers at the local burger joint when I was young. They raised their own hybrid buffalo in the fields behind the burger stand. They didn't serve steak, all the meat went into burger meat, and they were damned good burgers. Later in life, I got the opportunity to purchase real bison meat. Hmmm - IMO, it's just not as good as the beefalo, or as good as most beef. Bison is tougher, and the flavor just doesn't seem quite right.
Mammoth may be the same. Extra gamy game meat may appeal to some people, but it doesn't appeal to the masses.
FWIW, the best beef I've ever sunk my teeth into, is Angus and Brangus, with the Brangus being ever so slightly more tender. Nothing else compares, IMO.
(Score: 2) by looorg on Tuesday September 14 2021, @12:26PM (2 children)
Mammoth burgers does sound even more tempting now. Bring back the Mammoths!
(Score: 3, Touché) by takyon on Tuesday September 14 2021, @12:37PM (1 child)
Spoiler alert. It will taste like elephant.
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(Score: 2) by HiThere on Tuesday September 14 2021, @03:43PM
If they get it right, it won't taste like elephant. But what it would taste like I couldn't guess. However, different diets yield different flavors, and mammoths didn't live in tropical jungles.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 14 2021, @01:40PM
tastes like chicken?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 14 2021, @12:36PM (1 child)
Oh, F off with the "playing god" nonsense.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by DannyB on Tuesday September 14 2021, @03:25PM
They're not playing god. They're playing genetic engineer. And they're not playing.
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(Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday September 15 2021, @01:30AM
Why do we need anything? My take is that it's likely the reason that mammoths and a whole lot of other large mammals became extinct is because of humans hunting them to extinction. So we have some responsibility to bring them back and figure a way to fit them back into our world. After all, there are still a bunch of plants [americanforests.org] throughout the northern hemisphere that are adapted to a plant-eater that hasn't been around for longer than human civilization has existed.
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Consider that last paragraph. There's a strong indication that humanity has fairly recently caused the extinction of almost all large land animals. The ecosystems of today are missing that component. How long ago do we need to cause an extinction before it is no longer our responsibility to reverse it as best we can?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 14 2021, @12:23PM (3 children)
How comes it's a good idea to introduce a new species in the ecosystem and a bad idea to remove a species (mosquitoes)?
Hasn't Australia played with introducing species?
(Score: 2, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 14 2021, @12:40PM
>> Hasn't Australia played with introducing species?
Yes, and those transported criminals wreaked havoc on the ecosystem.
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Tuesday September 14 2021, @03:29PM (1 child)
Q. Who made the biggest mistake in history?
A.
If you want to introduce a NEW species, how about robots that are adapted for climate change and don't need personal time off days.
People today are educated enough to repeat what they are taught but not to question what they are taught.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 14 2021, @10:53PM
》 Q. Who made the biggest mistake in history?
DannyB's father, for forgetting to buy condoms that one time.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 14 2021, @12:44PM
Dr. Ian Malcolm:
"Yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn't stop to think if they should."
In other news, we have cows being potty trained!
Now THAT will save the planet!
Got to agree with the other comments in here...can we focus on saving what is going extinct in the present FIRST?
Oh and the moderation on Soylent SUCKS.
There were some great responses in this thread and many other stories that recieved crap...what gives there??
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 14 2021, @12:52PM (3 children)
A living species is more than the DNA that describes how to make it.
It is also the biological machinery that interpretes when, where, and how to use those instructions.
"Close enough' may make a sustainable life form, but it won't be the 'same' one. It will be a new one.
Introducing a new species is not without risk.
There is no compelling reason to do this.
Just because we can or mere profit does not make it a good idea.
Hopefully, it is just a fundraising stunt which won't do any harm.
(Score: 2) by HiThere on Tuesday September 14 2021, @03:46PM (2 children)
Well, with mammoths, if they become an invasive species they're pretty easy to get rid of. They're large enough that there won't be many of them, they can't hide, and they're easy to shoot from airplanes. Unlike rabbits.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 14 2021, @06:04PM
Yes and additionally, they'll be living far enough away from currently existing elephants that the likelihood of them spreading their genes to other species will be negligible. Assuming they're even let outside of a park, which is somewhat doubtful.
(Score: 2) by hendrikboom on Wednesday September 15 2021, @10:21PM
We've already done it once, and we have better technology now.
(Score: 3, Funny) by iWantToKeepAnon on Tuesday September 14 2021, @01:41PM
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(Score: 3, Insightful) by PinkyGigglebrain on Wednesday September 15 2021, @01:41AM (1 child)
just my 2 yen.
The people who want ot do things like this and the others who give them money don't look past the "Wow! Bring back the $ANIMAL from extinction! Sounds Cool!" never actually think about what comes after you bring them back from the dead. Where will they live, who will be responsible for their care, etc..
Just because we can do something doesn't mean we should.
/rant
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(Score: 2) by takyon on Wednesday September 15 2021, @02:52AM
If they all die, wouldn't be the first time.
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(Score: 1) by Zoot on Wednesday September 15 2021, @02:48AM (1 child)
So de-extincting placental mammals is tough, because you need host mothers to impregnate with your experiments, elephants have nearly a two year gestation period, and it may take many tries to achieve success. Along the way you're going to have to deal with miscarriages other failures, and even if you have successful births you're going to have to care for each one that isn't quite up to your goals. This is going to be a tough sell for animal rights people and it may well make the whole project unviable.
Birds on the other hand should be much MUCH easier. You only need to get eggs from a related donor species and replace the embryo with your new creation. You can run many more attempts in parallel and dealing with the ones that don't turn out is much easier as well. Both the Dodo and Passenger Pigeon should have easily recoverable genomes (but don't forget to screen for retroviruses). The Passenger Pigeon has close living relatives and you might get away with just swapping the DNA out etc.
So as much as Woolly Mammoths get a lot of press, I predict it is not going to happen any time soon, and definitely not until we have success with one or both of the birds.
(Score: 2) by takyon on Wednesday September 15 2021, @02:51AM
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