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posted by martyb on Tuesday September 14 2021, @06:52PM   Printer-friendly
from the accuracy-vs-precision dept.

https://www.zmescience.com/other/fahrenheit-vs-celsius-did-the-u-s-get-it-right-after-all/

At face value, measuring the temperature using Celsius instead of Fahrenheit seems to make a lot of face sense. After all, the freezing point of water is a perfect 0 degrees Celsius — not the inexplicable 32 degrees in Fahrenheit. Also, the boiling point of water in Celsius is right at 100 degrees (Okay, 99.98, but what's a couple hundredths of a degree among friends?) — instead of the awkward 212 degrees Fahrenheit.

Celsius is also part of the much-praised metric system. It seems as though every developed country in the world has adopted the metric system except for the United States, which still clings to tge [sic] older, more traditional measurements. Finally, scientists prefer to use Celsius (when they're not using Kelvin, which is arguably the most awkward unit of measurement for temperature). If it's good enough for scientists, it should be good enough for everybody else, right?

Not necessarily. Fahrenheit may be the best way to measure temperature after all. Why? Because most of us only care about air temperature, not water temperature.

[...] Fahrenheit is also more precise. The ambient temperature on most of the inhabited world ranges from -20 degrees Fahrenheit to 110 degrees Fahrenheit — a 130-degree range. On the Celsius scale, that range is from -28.8 degrees to 43.3 degrees — a 72.1-degree range. This means that you can get a more exact measurement of the air temperature using Fahrenheit because it uses almost twice the scale.


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  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by dltaylor on Tuesday September 14 2021, @07:31PM

    by dltaylor (4693) on Tuesday September 14 2021, @07:31PM (#1177814)

    No, of course not.

    I've lived with both systems. +/- 2 degrees F is essentially unnoticeable (right around "freezing" it's nice to know due to road ice) +/- 1 degree Celsius/Centigrade/Kelvin/... is the same effect. If it is currently +19 C and rises to 18 C, I am still not putting on a sweater or jacket.

    There are only three temperatures that matter to most people: too cold, too hot, "nice". Farmers are more interested in how the temp' will affect their crops: frost, for example.

  • (Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 14 2021, @07:59PM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 14 2021, @07:59PM (#1177826)

    I bet you like it when you cum in my ass

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 14 2021, @08:21PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 14 2021, @08:21PM (#1177838)

      Modded the above post as spam per "Posts so offtopic and lacking value to even be a troll that they can't be called anything else."

  • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 14 2021, @08:43PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 14 2021, @08:43PM (#1177854)

    job done mr clickbait article.

    we have two reasoned replies, and a whole lot of bluster for both "sides" of an age old argument that zero readers will be swayed from their prior notions.

    move on next article please.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 14 2021, @08:49PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 14 2021, @08:49PM (#1177859)

    'merica, fuck yeah!

  • (Score: 2) by ealbers on Tuesday September 14 2021, @10:42PM (2 children)

    by ealbers (5715) on Tuesday September 14 2021, @10:42PM (#1177884)

    Lets go! 100 min per hour, 10 hours per day!

    • (Score: 2) by Mykl on Tuesday September 14 2021, @11:34PM

      by Mykl (1112) on Tuesday September 14 2021, @11:34PM (#1177896)

      If you can also fix it so that we have 100 days per year then I'm on board.

    • (Score: 2) by istartedi on Wednesday September 15 2021, @03:42AM

      by istartedi (123) on Wednesday September 15 2021, @03:42AM (#1177958) Journal

      They actually tried that [wikipedia.org], in revolutionary France. Even in such an atmosphere of change, and with it being considered part of the metric system, it failed. Even revolutionaries have their limits when it comes to change, I guess.

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  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Mykl on Tuesday September 14 2021, @11:04PM (8 children)

    by Mykl (1112) on Tuesday September 14 2021, @11:04PM (#1177892)

    ...is business!

    Right now, American business have to make two versions of anything that involves measurement - an imperial version for the local market, and a metric version for the international market. That means there's inefficiency in the process - twice the number of products, twice the inventory, twice the number of approvals etc.

    By standardising with the rest of the world, American manufacturing can become more efficient and more easily export their products to the rest of the world. Profit!

    Oh, and while you're at it, can you please fix your date format? mm/dd/yy is the most retarded thing I have ever seen - it doesn't follow any sort of order of magnitude whatsoever. Most normal people do dd/mm/yy.

    • (Score: 5, Insightful) by NickM on Wednesday September 15 2021, @01:37AM (5 children)

      by NickM (2867) on Wednesday September 15 2021, @01:37AM (#1177933) Journal

      Oh, and while you're at it, can you please fix your date format? mm/dd/yy is the most retarded thing I have ever seen - it doesn't follow any sort of order of magnitude whatsoever. Most normal people do dd/mm/yy.

      yyyy-mm-dd should be the only numerical date representation used, all other formats are brain damaged!

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      • (Score: 3, Funny) by el_oscuro on Wednesday September 15 2021, @01:54AM (3 children)

        by el_oscuro (1711) on Wednesday September 15 2021, @01:54AM (#1177939)

        The default format in every Oracle database is DD-Mon-YYYY

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        • (Score: 2) by Freeman on Wednesday September 15 2021, @01:41PM (2 children)

          by Freeman (732) on Wednesday September 15 2021, @01:41PM (#1177975) Journal

          He did say brain damaged. I've gotta say using Oracle as an example sure doesn't help the case. Maybe that's just me being a bit unhappy about proprietary databases, though.

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          • (Score: 3, Informative) by NickM on Thursday September 16 2021, @01:20AM (1 child)

            by NickM (2867) on Thursday September 16 2021, @01:20AM (#1178166) Journal

            Maybe that's just me being a bit unhappy about proprietary databases, though.

            Not at all! Here a "query" to see the session on a Oracle database

            col sid head "Sid" form 9999 trunc
            col serial# form 99999 trunc head "Ser#"
            col username form a8 trunc
            col osuser form a7 trunc
            col machine form a20 trunc head "Client|Machine"
            col program form a15 trunc head "Client|Program"
            col login form a11
            col "last call"  form 9999999 trunc head "Last Call|In Secs"
            col status form a6 trunc
            select sid,serial#,substr(username,1,10) username,substr(osuser,1,10) osuser,
                 substr(program||module,1,15) program,substr(machine,1,22) machine,
                 to_char(logon_time,'ddMon hh24:mi') login,
                 last_call_et "last call",status
            from v$session
            order by 1
            /

            That SQL dialect is an abomination ! For comparison here is the postgresql equivalent:

            select pid as process_id,
                   usename as username,
                   datname as database_name,
                   client_addr as client_address,
                   application_name,
                   backend_start,
                   state,
                   state_change
            from pg_stat_activity;

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            • (Score: 2) by NickM on Thursday September 16 2021, @01:21AM

              by NickM (2867) on Thursday September 16 2021, @01:21AM (#1178167) Journal
              oh and the query from the Oracle book is the wrong date format!
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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 15 2021, @10:44PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 15 2021, @10:44PM (#1178139)

        THIS!!! ↑↑↑↑

        All other formats are broken and instead of using this plain and simple one, people, sites and software keep adding broken formats or even worse, stupid random formats (i'm looking to you, stackoverflow!!)

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 15 2021, @01:44AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 15 2021, @01:44AM (#1177937)

      Please don't ever suggest using any date format other than YYYY/MM/DD. It's the only way that consistently makes sense in all formats and can be easily and simply processed and sorted by computers.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 15 2021, @09:54PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 15 2021, @09:54PM (#1178124)

      Do they? Or do they just print different numbers when they're doing the rest of the localization? Because the things I see are usually the same with different localization included.

  • (Score: 3, Touché) by c0lo on Wednesday September 15 2021, @12:32AM (1 child)

    by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday September 15 2021, @12:32AM (#1177906) Journal

    Hey, eds.
    If you "banned" politics into its special nexus because it "creates noise", it would only be fair to create an "Imperial/Metric" nexus, because you know posting stories of this nature is going to create even more useless noise.

    This is "story trolling", nobody expects anything good to come out of it. So, why are you doing it?

    =blame

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 15 2021, @01:32AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 15 2021, @01:32AM (#1177932)

      Yanks love to revel in how morally superior they are.

      Christmas in summer, driving on the left and the metric system are all alien to them.

  • (Score: 4, Funny) by istartedi on Wednesday September 15 2021, @03:47AM

    by istartedi (123) on Wednesday September 15 2021, @03:47AM (#1177959) Journal

    It'll be -40 in Hell before I change my opinion on this.

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  • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 15 2021, @06:32AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 15 2021, @06:32AM (#1177963)

    The division of temperature scales has absolutely NOTHING to do with precision. You say 72 degrees Fahrenheit and I say 22.2 degrees Celsius. So what? But given that your average temperature measurement has a 2 degree Celsius accuracy then it makes a totally mockery of the entire article. It is absolute and unmitigated nonsense. Last gasp from a Fahrenheit fanatic? Difficult to understand how anybody could write such a stupid and inane article.

  • (Score: 3, Funny) by pvanhoof on Wednesday September 15 2021, @04:30PM

    by pvanhoof (4638) on Wednesday September 15 2021, @04:30PM (#1178026) Homepage

    Go sit in a sauna for 15min. First a so called dry one, then a more humid one. Come back. Say that again.

  • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday September 15 2021, @04:36PM

    by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday September 15 2021, @04:36PM (#1178029) Journal

    Our youngest children understand the metric system. Ten pennies make a dime. Ten dimes make a dollar. Ten dollars are equal to a ten dollar bill. Ten tens make a hundred. Anyone who can count money and make change understands the metric system. They just don't realize it.

  • (Score: 2) by anotherblackhat on Wednesday September 15 2021, @04:53PM (2 children)

    by anotherblackhat (4722) on Wednesday September 15 2021, @04:53PM (#1178041)

    If you're going to pick an arbitrary scale, then F, or C makes little difference.

    There's one non-arbitrary point of temperature that makes sense, and that's absolute zero.
    That should be 0 degrees.

    Rather than a completely arbitrary point to complete the scale, we could at least relate it to something else in the system of measurements, like say;
      one degree = the temperature rise that one gram of matter undergoes when subjected to 1 joule of energy.

    Which would make the melting point of water (when Ice happens) about 1150 (depends on pressure/altitude)
    Normal temperatures would be in the 1000 - 1200 range.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 15 2021, @07:13PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 15 2021, @07:13PM (#1178074)

      "Rather than a completely arbitrary point to complete the scale, we could at least relate it to something else in the system of measurements, like say;
          one degree = the temperature rise that one gram of matter undergoes when subjected to 1 joule of energy."

      What type of matter? Hydrogen would make the most sense, but then what is 1 joule? It is all arbitrary except for absolute zero. That is what makes this debate so silly, the units we choose don't really matter since humans will adapt to anything. Might as well use systems that make the math simpler, which includes selecting units that don't require too many digits for common usage.

      • (Score: 2) by anotherblackhat on Sunday September 19 2021, @08:05PM

        by anotherblackhat (4722) on Sunday September 19 2021, @08:05PM (#1179508)

        It doesn't matter what kind of mater, 1 gram hydrogen will heat the same amount as 1 gram of water.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 16 2021, @06:06AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 16 2021, @06:06AM (#1178206)

    my boiling point of water is 98 degrees C you insensitive clod

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