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But "He said he is 'fully responsible for this strike and the tragic outcome.'"
"We apologize, and we will endeavor to learn from this horrible mistake," another guy said. I'm sure they will.. uh huh
But hey! "at least one of those people that were killed was an ISIS facilitator.". Not even, eh?
The 10 dead were all members of the same extended family, relatives told NBC News, and included the seven children. Some were as young as 2 and 3.
Milley said "Trump is nuts", no wait, I'm sorry, that's a misquote, what he really said was, "... at this point, we think the procedures were correctly followed, and it was a righteous strike." (from "over the horizon")
Way to go, guys!
And the press! There's speculation the story was delayed/ignored for some time...
EDIT:
Hmm, The Silence of the Dems is so deafening! *Can't Touch This!*
EDIT 2:
AOC - democrat socialist? Hardly! democrat socialite..
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Monday September 20 2021, @02:19AM (42 children)
The war itself was predicated on his guilt, which was assumed, not proven
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 20 2021, @04:27AM (1 child)
Here you are repeating Taliban talking points [washingtonpost.com]. There actually is evidence linking Osama bin Laden to the 9/11 attacks [npr.org]. For that matter, Osama bin Laden claimed responsibility [theguardian.com] for the 9/11 attacks.
I'll certainly agree that the war was horribly planned from the start, that it was mismanaged over and over again, and that multiple administrations lied about the situation in Afghanistan. The Afghanistan Papers [washingtonpost.com] make a pretty good case that the American people were repeatedly lied to about the war. I will certainly agree that the war was botched at every turn and that both Bush-era AUMFs have been repeatedly stretched to Goatse-level proportions to justify absurd abuses of military power. But repeating Taliban talking points that imply Osama bin Laden might have been innocent is just asinine.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Monday September 20 2021, @05:31AM
No, there isn't. Those vids are unreliable.
He did not. "purported to be..." That's not evidence. You have nothing
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(Score: 1) by khallow on Monday September 20 2021, @04:32AM (39 children)
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Monday September 20 2021, @05:38AM (38 children)
You had twenty years to find evidence of bin Laden's guilt. Hasn't happened yet. And you circled back around on your war bullshit. It was started on a lie. They (and you) assumed guilt to sell and start the whole affair. You are merely parroting the same hearsay broadcast by one of the belligerents in the war effort. You have no evidence
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(Score: 1) by khallow on Monday September 20 2021, @04:37PM (37 children)
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Monday September 20 2021, @04:48PM (36 children)
As already pointed out, all hearsay, no evidence.. not buying your bullshit
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(Score: 1) by khallow on Monday September 20 2021, @06:18PM (35 children)
Video of bin Laden not under duress stating that the 911 attacks caused more damage than he expected (particularly, the line "we calculated in advance" is strong evidence of planning and conspiracy. To call it "hearsay" is abuse of the language.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Monday September 20 2021, @06:28PM (34 children)
Uh huh... just *fell out of the truck...* Did they find the missing Al Gore votes too? Putting an official seal on your conspiracy theories doesn't make them any less wacky. You still have only hearsay. It's ok, we know it's strictly business, as all wars are
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(Score: 1) by khallow on Monday September 20 2021, @07:43PM (33 children)
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Monday September 20 2021, @08:08PM (32 children)
You are merely defending people with the means and very powerful motives to lie. Just another case of the cops planting the "evidence" [themarshallproject.org] (list only shows who got caught). You take everything they say on pure faith, no questions asked, and demand conformity from the rest of us.
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(Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday September 21 2021, @02:13AM (31 children)
And has already been noted, so are you. That's why I go to evidence, not hearsay, such as the video that was mentioned. You meanwhile are a creator of hearsay, telling us to disregard evidence because an involved party has interests. We'd have all kinds of exciting crime, if we stooped to that level of foolishness in law.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Tuesday September 21 2021, @02:35AM (30 children)
Nope, I am defending nobody, just a concept of truth, which is absent in your assertions. Everything you have presented so far is hearsay until it is cross examined.
Here's a link that you won't read. But in case anyone else is interested... [smh.com.au]
You are merely reciting *agreed upon fiction*
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(Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday September 21 2021, @03:53AM (29 children)
Sounds like your "concept" should be, if it isn't already, absent from your assertions too. /sarc
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Tuesday September 21 2021, @04:06AM (28 children)
:-) Wake me when you find evidence
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(Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday September 22 2021, @06:34PM (27 children)
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Wednesday September 22 2021, @06:45PM
No so.. I already linked to the story of the fakes.
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(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Wednesday September 22 2021, @06:49PM
For your convenience [smh.com.au]
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(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Wednesday September 22 2021, @06:53PM (24 children)
Sorry, just can't stop!
That is hardly "evidence" by any rational standard. But, war mongers unite!
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(Score: 2, Funny) by khallow on Thursday September 23 2021, @01:57AM (23 children)
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Thursday September 23 2021, @02:18AM (22 children)
:-) You win the internet. Can't argue with a goof
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(Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday September 23 2021, @02:31AM (21 children)
To summarize my side, videos of admission of guilt are evidence. Further, we have a lot more than just that, such as transfers of funds from Al Qaeda associates to the 911 teams. One could say that the evidence is weak due to the US's capability to fake shit or the weak provenance of the evidence. But to just declare that evidence is not evidence is just irrational and wrong.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Thursday September 23 2021, @02:42AM (20 children)
You failed to prove the veracity of the videos. The other tapes were already proven to be fake by the same standards you use. Destroys all your credibility. You merely choose to believe what the conspiracy theorists tell you. You lose. You get nothing. But go ahead and believe you won, whatever it is you think you "won". I like to watch
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(Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday September 23 2021, @12:32PM (19 children)
So what? It's still evidence.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Thursday September 23 2021, @06:14PM (18 children)
Most likely false "evidence". You are making the proverbial "bad faith argument", and yet another appeal to authority, with no attempt to find the truth.
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(Score: 1) by khallow on Monday September 27 2021, @04:45PM (17 children)
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Monday September 27 2021, @10:03PM (16 children)
Still false until publicly, transparently cross examined, along with all the other "evidence" that was quickly buried in the landfill. Too many secrets to believe the lies. You simply choose to believe otherwise, a simple and, typical for you, appeal to authority all the way.
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(Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday September 28 2021, @07:23PM (15 children)
"Quickly buried in the landfill"? What would you be referring to? I find it remarkable how little effort you put into any justification, much less this one. So what of these narrative elements that apparently doesn't meet your approval? Are you willing to provide any evidence to support your claims instead of cliches?
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Tuesday September 28 2021, @07:30PM (1 child)
The remains of the towers/planes were quickly hauled off and buried before real, "disinterested" investigators could see. What you have is garbage, simply a view from one side. The secrecy discredits all accusations. Why are you so gullible? Is it convenience?
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(Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday October 05 2021, @12:17PM
They had to. You can't keep these environmental messes in dense urban areas forever.
And what real, "disinterested" investigators are you referring to? Say the dudes who were convinced the Jews were behind it before the first plane hit?
What secrecy was involved in the above "quickly hauled off" narrative?
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Tuesday September 28 2021, @07:51PM (12 children)
Show yours and I'll show you mine. Opps, we already have. All you have shown is speculation. At least I give something plausible, more probable than official conspiracy theories. In no way, can you justify the invasion
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(Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday September 28 2021, @09:46PM (11 children)
I grant that this is poor for a civilian target. But good enough for a military target.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Wednesday September 29 2021, @01:51AM (10 children)
The motive for lying to invade Afghanistan and the domestic power grab is much greater. The means? Please! But yeah, putting an official seal on your story makes it much more believable, right? All you still have are "allegedly"s and "supposedly"s... Ya can't prove a thing, not without getting caught in your own net
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(Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday September 29 2021, @12:01PM
Greater than what? You can't even be bothered to put a complete argument out there.
Evidence that you continue to claim isn't there, in other words. Sorry, buddy, but evidence for anything like this always has an official seal to it. Even if it's merely after the fact with someone else doing most of the work.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday September 29 2021, @12:11PM (8 children)
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Wednesday September 29 2021, @07:40PM (7 children)
The provider has a long history of lying before and since Afghanistan, Iraq is a classic case, no reason is given to believe that story any more or less than your Bin Laden one. There's no reason to believe anything they say. The "ad hominem" is well earned. In fact it's not an ad hominem, it's the truth. Your liars are unbelievable. They are lying right now, about war, the "debt", public health, it's a pretty long list.
The simple fact is that you choose to believe lies, because of where they come from, yours is the proverbial appeal to authority
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(Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday September 30 2021, @12:59AM (6 children)
That's why I went off the evidence not off the provider.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Thursday September 30 2021, @01:04AM (5 children)
The "evidence", by nature of its "provider", is likely false. Your simple appeal to authority does not make it otherwise.
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(Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday September 30 2021, @03:32AM (4 children)
Based on what evidence?
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Thursday September 30 2021, @03:42AM (3 children)
Previous history. It's definitely a good indicator of present/future performance. Your "evidence" is presented by people with very big reasons to lie. As was already shown by the link I provided, that you probably didn't read... You just want to believe lies from certain people and parrot their propaganda here
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(Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday September 30 2021, @05:30AM (2 children)
Googling around, I see that bin Laden has claimed responsibility in more places than just a video found in a home. For example, we have this video [wikipedia.org]:
This was aired on a Qatar radio station, not a US source.
Since you have refused to discuss the rest of my evidence list, those points remain uncontested.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Thursday September 30 2021, @06:02AM (1 child)
allegedly from a videotape of Osama bin Laden.. You always leave out the inconvenient parts
When I become more interested, I'll look into your "Qatar radio station".. I hope you don't consider them to be "neutral" or anything...
Yes, very interesting point there, not in your favor either.
You still have nothing but conjecture, but to you, if it's official it is fact. That is called *appeal to authority*. You epitomize it.
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(Score: 1) by khallow on Friday October 01 2021, @01:04AM
I consider them to not be the US.
"Conjecture" which happens to be from bin Laden. And what's the point of tarring all my evidence with the "official" label? Have you even thought about what wouldn't be official?