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Journal by fustakrakich

Oops!

But "He said he is 'fully responsible for this strike and the tragic outcome.'"

"We apologize, and we will endeavor to learn from this horrible mistake," another guy said. I'm sure they will.. uh huh

But hey! "at least one of those people that were killed was an ISIS facilitator.". Not even, eh?

The 10 dead were all members of the same extended family, relatives told NBC News, and included the seven children. Some were as young as 2 and 3.

Milley said "Trump is nuts", no wait, I'm sorry, that's a misquote, what he really said was, "... at this point, we think the procedures were correctly followed, and it was a righteous strike." (from "over the horizon")

Way to go, guys!

And the press! There's speculation the story was delayed/ignored for some time...

EDIT:
Hmm, The Silence of the Dems is so deafening! *Can't Touch This!*

EDIT 2:
AOC - democrat socialist? Hardly! democrat socialite..

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  • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Monday September 20 2021, @06:28PM (34 children)

    by fustakrakich (6150) on Monday September 20 2021, @06:28PM (#1179777) Journal

    The videotape -- discovered in a private home

    Uh huh... just *fell out of the truck...* Did they find the missing Al Gore votes too? Putting an official seal on your conspiracy theories doesn't make them any less wacky. You still have only hearsay. It's ok, we know it's strictly business, as all wars are

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  • (Score: 1) by khallow on Monday September 20 2021, @07:43PM (33 children)

    by khallow (3766) on Monday September 20 2021, @07:43PM (#1179809) Journal
    Sorry, that's not what hearsay means. Hearsay means stuff like rumors, which can't be substantiated. A video is physical evidence. I gather you're trying to claim that the video is faked, but have no words in your language to describe that.
    • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Monday September 20 2021, @08:08PM (32 children)

      by fustakrakich (6150) on Monday September 20 2021, @08:08PM (#1179822) Journal

      You are merely defending people with the means and very powerful motives to lie. Just another case of the cops planting the "evidence" [themarshallproject.org] (list only shows who got caught). You take everything they say on pure faith, no questions asked, and demand conformity from the rest of us.

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      • (Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday September 21 2021, @02:13AM (31 children)

        by khallow (3766) on Tuesday September 21 2021, @02:13AM (#1179900) Journal

        You are merely defending people with the means and very powerful motives to lie.

        And has already been noted, so are you. That's why I go to evidence, not hearsay, such as the video that was mentioned. You meanwhile are a creator of hearsay, telling us to disregard evidence because an involved party has interests. We'd have all kinds of exciting crime, if we stooped to that level of foolishness in law.

        • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Tuesday September 21 2021, @02:35AM (30 children)

          by fustakrakich (6150) on Tuesday September 21 2021, @02:35AM (#1179904) Journal

          And has already been noted, so are you.

          Nope, I am defending nobody, just a concept of truth, which is absent in your assertions. Everything you have presented so far is hearsay until it is cross examined.

          Here's a link that you won't read. But in case anyone else is interested... [smh.com.au]

          You are merely reciting *agreed upon fiction*

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          • (Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday September 21 2021, @03:53AM (29 children)

            by khallow (3766) on Tuesday September 21 2021, @03:53AM (#1179920) Journal

            just a concept of truth, which is absent in your assertions

            Sounds like your "concept" should be, if it isn't already, absent from your assertions too. /sarc

            • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Tuesday September 21 2021, @04:06AM (28 children)

              by fustakrakich (6150) on Tuesday September 21 2021, @04:06AM (#1179930) Journal

              :-) Wake me when you find evidence

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              • (Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday September 22 2021, @06:34PM (27 children)

                by khallow (3766) on Wednesday September 22 2021, @06:34PM (#1180461) Journal
                Wakey wakey. Check that AC post. It had evidence!
                • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Wednesday September 22 2021, @06:45PM

                  by fustakrakich (6150) on Wednesday September 22 2021, @06:45PM (#1180466) Journal

                  No so.. I already linked to the story of the fakes.

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                • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Wednesday September 22 2021, @06:49PM

                  by fustakrakich (6150) on Wednesday September 22 2021, @06:49PM (#1180467) Journal
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                • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Wednesday September 22 2021, @06:53PM (24 children)

                  by fustakrakich (6150) on Wednesday September 22 2021, @06:53PM (#1180468) Journal

                  Sorry, just can't stop!

                  But US experts who have heard it generally support the conclusion by US law enforcement officials that it probably is bin Laden speaking.

                  That is hardly "evidence" by any rational standard. But, war mongers unite!

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                  • (Score: 2, Funny) by khallow on Thursday September 23 2021, @01:57AM (23 children)

                    by khallow (3766) on Thursday September 23 2021, @01:57AM (#1180632) Journal
                    Of course, it's evidence. Sorry, you need more than that.
                    • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Thursday September 23 2021, @02:18AM (22 children)

                      by fustakrakich (6150) on Thursday September 23 2021, @02:18AM (#1180636) Journal

                      :-) You win the internet. Can't argue with a goof

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                      • (Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday September 23 2021, @02:31AM (21 children)

                        by khallow (3766) on Thursday September 23 2021, @02:31AM (#1180641) Journal
                        I just did that and won.

                        To summarize my side, videos of admission of guilt are evidence. Further, we have a lot more than just that, such as transfers of funds from Al Qaeda associates to the 911 teams. One could say that the evidence is weak due to the US's capability to fake shit or the weak provenance of the evidence. But to just declare that evidence is not evidence is just irrational and wrong.
                        • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Thursday September 23 2021, @02:42AM (20 children)

                          by fustakrakich (6150) on Thursday September 23 2021, @02:42AM (#1180647) Journal

                          You failed to prove the veracity of the videos. The other tapes were already proven to be fake by the same standards you use. Destroys all your credibility. You merely choose to believe what the conspiracy theorists tell you. You lose. You get nothing. But go ahead and believe you won, whatever it is you think you "won". I like to watch

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                          • (Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday September 23 2021, @12:32PM (19 children)

                            by khallow (3766) on Thursday September 23 2021, @12:32PM (#1180713) Journal

                            You failed to prove the veracity of the videos.

                            So what? It's still evidence.

                            • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Thursday September 23 2021, @06:14PM (18 children)

                              by fustakrakich (6150) on Thursday September 23 2021, @06:14PM (#1180795) Journal

                              Most likely false "evidence". You are making the proverbial "bad faith argument", and yet another appeal to authority, with no attempt to find the truth.

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                              • (Score: 1) by khallow on Monday September 27 2021, @04:45PM (17 children)

                                by khallow (3766) on Monday September 27 2021, @04:45PM (#1181905) Journal
                                Says the guy who only focused on the video and his alleged disputation of that video.
                                • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Monday September 27 2021, @10:03PM (16 children)

                                  by fustakrakich (6150) on Monday September 27 2021, @10:03PM (#1182014) Journal

                                  Still false until publicly, transparently cross examined, along with all the other "evidence" that was quickly buried in the landfill. Too many secrets to believe the lies. You simply choose to believe otherwise, a simple and, typical for you, appeal to authority all the way.

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                                  • (Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday September 28 2021, @07:23PM (15 children)

                                    by khallow (3766) on Tuesday September 28 2021, @07:23PM (#1182393) Journal

                                    Still false until publicly, transparently cross examined, along with all the other "evidence" that was quickly buried in the landfill.

                                    "Quickly buried in the landfill"? What would you be referring to? I find it remarkable how little effort you put into any justification, much less this one. So what of these narrative elements that apparently doesn't meet your approval? Are you willing to provide any evidence to support your claims instead of cliches?

                                    • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Tuesday September 28 2021, @07:30PM (1 child)

                                      by fustakrakich (6150) on Tuesday September 28 2021, @07:30PM (#1182400) Journal

                                      The remains of the towers/planes were quickly hauled off and buried before real, "disinterested" investigators could see. What you have is garbage, simply a view from one side. The secrecy discredits all accusations. Why are you so gullible? Is it convenience?

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                                      • (Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday October 05 2021, @12:17PM

                                        by khallow (3766) on Tuesday October 05 2021, @12:17PM (#1184423) Journal

                                        The remains of the towers/planes were quickly hauled off and buried before real, "disinterested" investigators could see.

                                        They had to. You can't keep these environmental messes in dense urban areas forever.

                                        And what real, "disinterested" investigators are you referring to? Say the dudes who were convinced the Jews were behind it before the first plane hit?

                                        The secrecy discredits all accusations.

                                        What secrecy was involved in the above "quickly hauled off" narrative?

                                    • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Tuesday September 28 2021, @07:51PM (12 children)

                                      by fustakrakich (6150) on Tuesday September 28 2021, @07:51PM (#1182409) Journal

                                      Are you willing to provide any evidence to support your claims instead of cliches?

                                      Show yours and I'll show you mine. Opps, we already have. All you have shown is speculation. At least I give something plausible, more probable than official conspiracy theories. In no way, can you justify the invasion

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                                      • (Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday September 28 2021, @09:46PM (11 children)

                                        by khallow (3766) on Tuesday September 28 2021, @09:46PM (#1182458) Journal
                                        Ok. Glancing [wikipedia.org] at Wikipedia, I see the following:
                                        • First, we have motive. For example, bin Laden issued two fatwas in 1996 and 1998 against the US. The latter stated "We do not have to differentiate between military or civilian. As far as we are concerned, they [Americans] are all targets." The [sic] is from Wikipedia.
                                        • There are other attacks on civilian targets traced to Al Qaeda such as the bombing of the World Trade Center in 1993 and the embassy bombings of 1998 in Africa. So a history of attacking civilian targets and a previous attack on the World Trade Center.
                                        • A detailed history of planning the 911 attacks, including interrogation of the alleged planners.
                                        • Communication and support between the "Hamburg cell" that formed the core of the 911 attack group and al Qaeda, including several meetings between the head of the 911 attack group and bin Laden.
                                        • Funding for the group (they allegedly spent up to half a million dollars) is vague, but some has allegedly been traced to a high ranking Pakistani intelligence officer friendly with the Taliban - who in turn were employing Al Qaeda soldiers at the time.

                                        I grant that this is poor for a civilian target. But good enough for a military target.

                                        • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Wednesday September 29 2021, @01:51AM (10 children)

                                          by fustakrakich (6150) on Wednesday September 29 2021, @01:51AM (#1182539) Journal

                                          The motive for lying to invade Afghanistan and the domestic power grab is much greater. The means? Please! But yeah, putting an official seal on your story makes it much more believable, right? All you still have are "allegedly"s and "supposedly"s... Ya can't prove a thing, not without getting caught in your own net

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                                          • (Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday September 29 2021, @12:01PM

                                            by khallow (3766) on Wednesday September 29 2021, @12:01PM (#1182700) Journal

                                            The motive for lying to invade Afghanistan and the domestic power grab is much greater.

                                            Greater than what? You can't even be bothered to put a complete argument out there.

                                            But yeah, putting an official seal on your story makes it much more believable, right?

                                            Evidence that you continue to claim isn't there, in other words. Sorry, buddy, but evidence for anything like this always has an official seal to it. Even if it's merely after the fact with someone else doing most of the work.

                                          • (Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday September 29 2021, @12:11PM (8 children)

                                            by khallow (3766) on Wednesday September 29 2021, @12:11PM (#1182702) Journal
                                            I also find it amusing that you're more concerned about the evidence provider (classic ad hominem) than whether the evidence is wrong.
                                            • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Wednesday September 29 2021, @07:40PM (7 children)

                                              by fustakrakich (6150) on Wednesday September 29 2021, @07:40PM (#1182893) Journal

                                              The provider has a long history of lying before and since Afghanistan, Iraq is a classic case, no reason is given to believe that story any more or less than your Bin Laden one. There's no reason to believe anything they say. The "ad hominem" is well earned. In fact it's not an ad hominem, it's the truth. Your liars are unbelievable. They are lying right now, about war, the "debt", public health, it's a pretty long list.

                                              The simple fact is that you choose to believe lies, because of where they come from, yours is the proverbial appeal to authority

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                                              • (Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday September 30 2021, @12:59AM (6 children)

                                                by khallow (3766) on Thursday September 30 2021, @12:59AM (#1182998) Journal

                                                The provider has a long history of lying before and since Afghanistan, Iraq is a classic case, no reason is given to believe that story any more or less than your Bin Laden one.

                                                That's why I went off the evidence not off the provider.

                                                • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Thursday September 30 2021, @01:04AM (5 children)

                                                  by fustakrakich (6150) on Thursday September 30 2021, @01:04AM (#1182999) Journal

                                                  The "evidence", by nature of its "provider", is likely false. Your simple appeal to authority does not make it otherwise.

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                                                  • (Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday September 30 2021, @03:32AM (4 children)

                                                    by khallow (3766) on Thursday September 30 2021, @03:32AM (#1183018) Journal

                                                    The "evidence", by nature of its "provider", is likely false.

                                                    Based on what evidence?

                                                    • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Thursday September 30 2021, @03:42AM (3 children)

                                                      by fustakrakich (6150) on Thursday September 30 2021, @03:42AM (#1183019) Journal

                                                      Previous history. It's definitely a good indicator of present/future performance. Your "evidence" is presented by people with very big reasons to lie. As was already shown by the link I provided, that you probably didn't read... You just want to believe lies from certain people and parrot their propaganda here

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                                                      • (Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday September 30 2021, @05:30AM (2 children)

                                                        by khallow (3766) on Thursday September 30 2021, @05:30AM (#1183037) Journal
                                                        Again, where's your evidence? I'll note that your refutation of the evidence above just focused on the video of the NPR story. even providing a dubious counterstudy without even considering the rest of the evidence. Second, now you're claiming that all this evidence was fully provided by the US, as if that were true.

                                                        Googling around, I see that bin Laden has claimed responsibility in more places than just a video found in a home. For example, we have this video [wikipedia.org]:

                                                        On October 29, 2004, at 21:00 UTC, Al Jazeera broadcast excerpts allegedly from a videotape of Osama bin Laden addressing the people of the United States; in this video, he accepts responsibility for the September 11 attacks, condemns the Bush government's response to those attacks, and presents those attacks as part of a campaign of revenge and deterrence motivated by his witnessing of the destruction in the Lebanese Civil War in 1982. News analysts speculated that the release of the video was timed to influence the 2004 U.S. presidential election, which would take place four days later.

                                                        This was aired on a Qatar radio station, not a US source.

                                                        Since you have refused to discuss the rest of my evidence list, those points remain uncontested.

                                                        • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Thursday September 30 2021, @06:02AM (1 child)

                                                          by fustakrakich (6150) on Thursday September 30 2021, @06:02AM (#1183046) Journal

                                                          allegedly from a videotape of Osama bin Laden.. You always leave out the inconvenient parts

                                                          When I become more interested, I'll look into your "Qatar radio station".. I hope you don't consider them to be "neutral" or anything...

                                                          News analysts speculated that the release of the video was timed to influence the 2004 U.S. presidential election, which would take place four days later.

                                                          Yes, very interesting point there, not in your favor either.

                                                          You still have nothing but conjecture, but to you, if it's official it is fact. That is called *appeal to authority*. You epitomize it.

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                                                          • (Score: 1) by khallow on Friday October 01 2021, @01:04AM

                                                            by khallow (3766) on Friday October 01 2021, @01:04AM (#1183252) Journal

                                                            When I become more interested, I'll look into your "Qatar radio station".. I hope you don't consider them to be "neutral" or anything...

                                                            I consider them to not be the US.

                                                            You still have nothing but conjecture, but to you, if it's official it is fact. That is called *appeal to authority*. You epitomize it.

                                                            "Conjecture" which happens to be from bin Laden. And what's the point of tarring all my evidence with the "official" label? Have you even thought about what wouldn't be official?