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posted by martyb on Sunday September 26 2021, @08:05AM   Printer-friendly
from the be-nice dept.

Delta Air Lines calls for carriers to share names of unruly passengers:

Delta Air Lines is calling for an industry-wide effort to keep passengers from boarding competitors' flights after being banned for disruptive behavior.

So far this year, Delta says it has submitted the names of more than 600 banned passengers to the Federal Aviation Administration, which has sought to enforce rules against interfering with flight crews. The industry has seen a surge in poor behavior and banned passengers in recent months, with the bulk of incidents related to face mask requirements.

"We've also asked other airlines to share their 'no fly' list to further protect airline employees across the industry," Delta said in a memo this week. "A list of banned customers doesn't work as well if that customer can fly with another airline."

The company did not say whether sharing of passenger lists should be through the federal government or among companies themselves, and declined to elaborate. Delta said it has more than 1,600 people on its internal no-fly list and did not clarify why it submitted fewer than that to the FAA.

[...] The FAA was noncommittal about the idea Friday, saying in a statement the agency "is meeting with airports, airlines, unions, and others to discuss what additional steps the FAA and our industry partners can collectively take to continue driving down the number of unruly passenger incidents."

The agency said its latest data shows a decline in the rate of unruly passenger incidents. It said that as of last week, incidents involving unruly passengers occurred about six times in every 10,000 flights.

"That's an approximately 50 percent drop from early 2021, but it's more than twice as high as the end of 2020," the agency said Thursday.


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  • (Score: 0, Flamebait) by Runaway1956 on Sunday September 26 2021, @10:36PM (18 children)

    by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Sunday September 26 2021, @10:36PM (#1181692) Journal

    Nope. It really ain't that simple. Well, maybe it is for the simple minded.

    I spent five years aboard Navy ships. I stood up for my rights, and my shipmate's rights then. WTF would I submit to some chickenshit airline directive today? You think Captain Chickenshit on an airline has more authority than a Navy Captain?

    Oh yeah - blow that mask out your arse. Scroll back up, click the link, and enjoy the music.

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  • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Sunday September 26 2021, @10:47PM (10 children)

    by fustakrakich (6150) on Sunday September 26 2021, @10:47PM (#1181695) Journal

    It's their ship. They can do what they want. If it was up to me, you would just be tossed overboard. No tolerance for assholes on an airplane. The rules aren't just "suggestions". The most frustrating thing about all this crap is the timid reaction. A little "brutality" against it will be more than welcome

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    • (Score: 1, Offtopic) by Runaway1956 on Sunday September 26 2021, @11:13PM (9 children)

      by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Sunday September 26 2021, @11:13PM (#1181701) Journal

      No tolerance for assholes

      Well, fuck you very much.

      • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Sunday September 26 2021, @11:20PM (8 children)

        by fustakrakich (6150) on Sunday September 26 2021, @11:20PM (#1181702) Journal

        What's the problem? Your side is winning. They just get on the next plane.

        :-) Oh wait, I forgot... heheh... I feel so very sorry

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        • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Sunday September 26 2021, @11:38PM (7 children)

          by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Sunday September 26 2021, @11:38PM (#1181705) Journal

          Actually, "my side" doesn't fly. It might be too far to scroll up, so I'll just tell you that the TSA drove the final nail in the airline's coffin. It wasn't the crap food, or the crowded seats, or the sometimes rude flight attendants. It certainly wasn't the crap entertainment - especially since the advent of Walkman and ever improving self entertainment devices. It wasn't the dirty rest rooms. Or the dirty seats. The long waits came close, but that wasn't it either. That final nail in the coffin came when queerbait SOBs insisted that they have the right to feel up children, grandparents, servicemen and women, business people, teens, veterans, foreigners, Muslims, Christians, native Americans, and anyone who doesn't fit into any of the preceding slots.

          • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Sunday September 26 2021, @11:41PM (6 children)

            by fustakrakich (6150) on Sunday September 26 2021, @11:41PM (#1181706) Journal

            All that shit happens before you get on the plane.

            Let's arm the cabin crew with tranquilizer darts..

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            • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Monday September 27 2021, @12:04AM (4 children)

              by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Monday September 27 2021, @12:04AM (#1181712) Journal

              All that shit happens before you get on the plane.

              Which only goes to show how dense you have to be to tolerate shitty service on the plane, after having endured sexual assault just to get on the plane.

              • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Monday September 27 2021, @02:33AM (3 children)

                by fustakrakich (6150) on Monday September 27 2021, @02:33AM (#1181731) Journal

                Yeah, so why let the passengers make it worse? I want peace and quiet on the plane. I don't care how it's done, as long as it's done. Let the screamers ride Greyhound

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                • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Monday September 27 2021, @02:37AM (2 children)

                  by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Monday September 27 2021, @02:37AM (#1181734) Journal

                  I guess you just don't get it. All those passengers wanted was a nice, peaceful flight to wherever they were going. Then, some busybody got up in their faces, whining about a stupid mask. So put those whiners on Greyhound. Are you truly incapable of seeing the problem from more than one side?

                  • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Monday September 27 2021, @02:57AM

                    by fustakrakich (6150) on Monday September 27 2021, @02:57AM (#1181736) Journal

                    By "busybody", you mean passenger or crew? With the crew, there is only one side. You want to get on a plane, like it or not, you do what they tell you to do. Mask on, tray up! bitch! I mean that in the nicest possible way, don't take it personal. Of course it's always best to have your camera running in case you need to file a grievance, just like with the cops or having a dash cam.

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                  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 27 2021, @05:32AM

                    by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 27 2021, @05:32AM (#1181779)

                    Passengers and crew just wanted to have a routine flight with as minimal risk as possible. And, some anti-masker moron got up in their faces assaulting them with potentially infected spittle.

                    You have a right to swing your arm, but that right ends several inches away from other peoples' faces. Same thing with mask wearing in enclosed spaces. By refusing to wear a mask which is *proven* to lower the transmission of covid, you are doing the equivalent of punching people in the face while whining about your right to swing your arm.

                    In the last 28 days, the US has been cleansed of over 50,000 of you selfish entitled anti-mask/anti-vax morons, which is-- just pathetic, as most of those deaths were preventable. Also, pathetic, the four million new cases in the US over that same 28 day period mainly because of anti-vax and anti-mask morons.

                    https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/dashboards/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6 [arcgis.com]

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 27 2021, @02:03AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 27 2021, @02:03AM (#1181726)

              Can we add about 10mg of ricin in that tranquilizer? It's not that much.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 27 2021, @06:37AM (6 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 27 2021, @06:37AM (#1181788)

    You think Captain Chickenshit on an airline has more authority than a Navy Captain?

    Yes, quite a bit more actually. Not only are commanding officers of the United States Navy subject to the civilian laws of the sea and air but they also have to comply with the Uniform Code of Military Justice and all that entails.

    • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Monday September 27 2021, @06:54AM (5 children)

      by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Monday September 27 2021, @06:54AM (#1181791) Journal

      That would be funny, if you had any idea what you're talking about. No, a pilot doesn't have nearly the authority of Navy Captain. He can't convene a summary court martial, and have you executed, for example.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 27 2021, @09:30AM (4 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 27 2021, @09:30AM (#1181805)

        A couple problems there. A commanding officer of a vessel cannot call a summary court martial without the consent of the enlisted personnel and the maximum penalty for a summary court martial is well below execution for all pay grades. The commanding officer of a civilian aircraft doesn't even need a formal procedure before instituting negative consequences beyond the reduction in privileges and they also have the ability to call for summary proceedings and administrative punishment.

        • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Monday September 27 2021, @10:53AM (3 children)

          by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Monday September 27 2021, @10:53AM (#1181813) Journal

          You presume peacetime conditions, among other things. It is entirely possible for a man to be summarily executed without benefit of any court in war time. But, you've committed yourself to the idea that a civilian has more authority than a Navy captain, so you go ahead and double down.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 27 2021, @09:07PM (2 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 27 2021, @09:07PM (#1181993)

            The UCMJ applies in both peacetime and in war. I'm truly curious where you think it says that it does not so as to allow the execution you describe.

            • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday September 28 2021, @04:45AM (1 child)

              by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday September 28 2021, @04:45AM (#1182101) Journal

              You're a lawyer, right?

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 28 2021, @07:09AM

                by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 28 2021, @07:09AM (#1182126)

                I'm closer to being one then you are, since I can actually read what the law says. Still waiting for your answer, though.