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Journal by khallow
A few times recently I've run into really infantile thinking. One is in the awful story about the UN decided to make a new vacuous right to "access" to a clean environment. The other was in turgid's excellent journal about a post-scarcity economy and how it would affect our need to work.

Here's an example from the UN story:

[AC:] It is simple. Everyone gets a clean environment (free from lead, etc.) with safe clean drinking water.

The standards for what counts as safe have already been established. Here are water regulations for the US. Similar standards exist for other known toxins. Our issue is that you only get a safe clean environment if you can afford it. And, even then, the multi-million dollar houses in West LA turned out to be sitting on toxic waste that seeped over from the 'other' side of town / the toxic dumping predated turning formerly industrial areas into residential areas.

In other words, we want X so make a right to have X. Doesn't sound like the poster even cares how to do it or whether it'll even work because of course, it'll just work out of the box like all our other rights do. [Edit: cooler prose]

While I discussed that a bunch there, here's a summary of why I think just creating a right to something won't work.

In turgid's journal, we have an even sillier example:

[AC:] We have scarcity because right wingers like you desperately want the scarcity to exist. Your only objective is to exploit the working class as much as possible. To use the OP's analogy, you right wingers are the Ferengi.

Just like the Ferengi, you're not interested in scientific and technological progress that would raise the quality of life, reduce scarcity, and improve environmental conditions. Instead, you defend rent-seeking parasites who actively oppose scientific and technological advancements. A fine example is the fossil fuel industry, which should become obsolete as new technology develops and matures. Instead of allowing scientific progress to proceed, the fossil fuel industry engages in misinformation to protect a dying business model and oppose newer and better technologies.

We need less right wing rent-seeking parasites. We need to move past the lie that people are poor because they haven't worked hard enough, when the wealthiest members of our society tend to either inherit their wealth or build it through the exploitation of others. Left to your own devices, right wing psychopaths like you will cut corners with things like safety in factories, all the while demanding workers put in more labor for less pay. You right wingers are sick individuals, happy to let others languish in scarcity and work in dangerous conditions, all so you can line your pockets with more money.

There's a reason that Starfleet officers are warned about the Ferengi when they're at the Academy.

If only we could do something about the rightwingers, then we'd have post-scarcity right now.

What's missed in that verbiage is that you don't live in a society capable of either delivering a nebulous right to "access" to something nor supporting a post-scarcity economy. The cart is before the horse.

It's not rich people or failwingers holding you back. It's reality. That's why you didn't get your lollipop.

I think it's time to dispute such magic thinking. Our world didn't come easily. Just since civilization started, there have been hundreds of generations toiling - making our world what it is. But now, it's supposed to be simple. Just deliver the lollipops.

Well, just like those hundreds of other generations, you'll have to work for it. Maybe someday we'll never have to work to make our world a better place, but that hasn't happened yet.

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 19 2021, @09:31PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 19 2021, @09:31PM (#1188588)

    Food goes to landfills, on average, because of government interference.

    No, really. This is how it works:

    Government: "Holy fuck, famines are bad! Uh, sure, they're humanitarian tragedies and all that, but they also result in people being voted out of office, and that sucks! Wait, we have a cunning plan ... pay farmers to boost productivity above and beyond what they could hope to sell in a good year, in the hopes that, in bad years, there'll still be enough for everyone."

    Farmers: "What, you mean I can sell as much of whatever as I can grow, guaran-damn-teed? And they're coming out with more productive cultivars and artificial manures and stuff? Boys, start up the big tractor, we're seeding today!"

    Government: "Yes, that's a goooood farmer. Here, we'll buy your surplus. Even after we donate a bunch to third world kleptocrats, we'll still have lots to throw away, and we'll tighten all sorts of loops under the guise of food safety that's totally bogus, so keep 'em coming!"

    Consumer: "Yay, cheap food! Yumyum! Government's doing OK! I'll bitch about something else this week!"

    Greatest country on earth poverty:

    Greatest is a matter of opinion. Poverty measurements depends strongly on what you mean. If you're talking about absolute poverty (where is food coming from? We're about to die of cold without a fire tonight. Our clothes are rags and our hovel is splinters) then the USA has vanishingly tiny levels of absolute poverty. Seriously, it's not even a concern beyond a tiny, tiny minority, many of whom are living on the streets and nonetheless are more secure in terms of food, clothing and shelter than you would think. If you're talking relative poverty, then it just comes down to where you draw the line and how you relate it to a gini coefficient. The US actually has a pretty high standard of living.

    Highest per capita incarceration rate:

    Back to government and warped incentives, but pretty much fuck-all to do with capitalism. Capitalism unmodulated by people wringing their hands about crack babies dealing smack would have legal drugs, and no insane DEA-based drive to corral people. But ... yeah, here we are. Nothing to do with capitalism as such.

    Uh, but nice shade-throwing. Love the wrist action on that one. Try hand cream next time.