[AC:] It is simple. Everyone gets a clean environment (free from lead, etc.) with safe clean drinking water.
The standards for what counts as safe have already been established. Here are water regulations for the US. Similar standards exist for other known toxins. Our issue is that you only get a safe clean environment if you can afford it. And, even then, the multi-million dollar houses in West LA turned out to be sitting on toxic waste that seeped over from the 'other' side of town / the toxic dumping predated turning formerly industrial areas into residential areas.
In other words, we want X so make a right to have X. Doesn't sound like the poster even cares how to do it or whether it'll even work because of course, it'll just work out of the box like all our other rights do. [Edit: cooler prose]
While I discussed that a bunch there, here's a summary of why I think just creating a right to something won't work.
In turgid's journal, we have an even sillier example:
[AC:] We have scarcity because right wingers like you desperately want the scarcity to exist. Your only objective is to exploit the working class as much as possible. To use the OP's analogy, you right wingers are the Ferengi.
Just like the Ferengi, you're not interested in scientific and technological progress that would raise the quality of life, reduce scarcity, and improve environmental conditions. Instead, you defend rent-seeking parasites who actively oppose scientific and technological advancements. A fine example is the fossil fuel industry, which should become obsolete as new technology develops and matures. Instead of allowing scientific progress to proceed, the fossil fuel industry engages in misinformation to protect a dying business model and oppose newer and better technologies.
We need less right wing rent-seeking parasites. We need to move past the lie that people are poor because they haven't worked hard enough, when the wealthiest members of our society tend to either inherit their wealth or build it through the exploitation of others. Left to your own devices, right wing psychopaths like you will cut corners with things like safety in factories, all the while demanding workers put in more labor for less pay. You right wingers are sick individuals, happy to let others languish in scarcity and work in dangerous conditions, all so you can line your pockets with more money.
There's a reason that Starfleet officers are warned about the Ferengi when they're at the Academy.
If only we could do something about the rightwingers, then we'd have post-scarcity right now.
What's missed in that verbiage is that you don't live in a society capable of either delivering a nebulous right to "access" to something nor supporting a post-scarcity economy. The cart is before the horse.
It's not rich people or failwingers holding you back. It's reality. That's why you didn't get your lollipop.
I think it's time to dispute such magic thinking. Our world didn't come easily. Just since civilization started, there have been hundreds of generations toiling - making our world what it is. But now, it's supposed to be simple. Just deliver the lollipops.
Well, just like those hundreds of other generations, you'll have to work for it. Maybe someday we'll never have to work to make our world a better place, but that hasn't happened yet.
(Score: 2) by cmdrklarg on Thursday October 21 2021, @09:02PM (1 child)
So what you're saying is that since people (who have a unalienable right to life) "generate environmental harm" with every breath they take, that businesses should also be allowed to generate environmental harm without restraint? And that regulating business' environmental harm is somehow tyranny and going to lead to mass executions? Spare us your ridiculous slippery slope fallacies.
I take it you'd be ok with some business dumping their waste in your backyard then? Somehow I doubt it. People like you become environmentalists when it's your environment that being fouled.
Answer now is don't give in; aim for a new tomorrow.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Friday October 22 2021, @04:32AM
You're the only one saying that!
No I think that sort of thing is a natural consequence of diluting rights with frivolous demands. The inevitable creep of government power should be considered here. And it is quite remarkable how crazed some environmentalists are. For example, there was a recent proposal [soylentnews.org] to kill in excess of 80% of humanity because overpopulation was bad.
He follows it up with
Now, BsAtHome was just talk, but not everyone is just talk. Creating a "right" to a clean environment and you give these people political cover to kill people.
Depends on whether they adequately compensated me for use of my property and followed the laws of the land. I don't need a right to a clean environment when someone is harming my property via covert dumping. That is already illegal.