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Nikolas Cruz pleads guilty to murder charges and apologizes for Parkland high school massacre
Nikolas Cruz, the gunman who carried out the massacre of students and faculty members at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in February 2018, pleaded guilty in a Florida courtroom Wednesday to 17 counts of murder and 17 counts of attempted murder.
Cruz, 23, faces a minimum of life in prison and maximum of the death penalty, which will be decided by a jury in the upcoming sentencing phase of the trial. The prosecution has said they plan to seek the death penalty.
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It is good that the perpetrator of such a crime may be brought to justice.
I remember after the Columbine school shootings when it was promised that this would never be allowed to happen again. Unfortunately, our country strives to make it easy for children to access firearms unsupervised.
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Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene, R-Ga., mocked a Florida school shooting survivor as an "idiot" who "only talks when he is scripted" in a 2019 interview with a Georgia gun group, according to a previously unreported video obtained by NBC News.
"He is very trained. He's like a dog. He's completely trained," Greene said of the survivor, David Hogg, now 20, in an interview with Georgia Gun Owners Inc. in April 2019, less than two years before she was elected to Congress.
Videos of Greene, a freshman Republican, berating Hogg in Washington surfaced last week after she was appointed to the House Education and Labor Committee. House Democrats are pushing to bar her from serving on any committees, citing in part her previous statements suggesting that the shootings at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida, and at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut, were hoaxes.
How do people like this come to power? Where do they find voters who will vote for such people? Does this only happen in the USA? I feel confident that the good people of her voting district in Georgia will continue to re-elect her.
I like her "Trump Won" mask, now that it is abundantly clear he did not win after many lawsuits and audits later.
It is amazing to live in a time when people will believe the most ridiculous outlandish things without any critical thought. People can no longer tell fact from fantasy. Or facts simply do not matter.
Update: A prediction: Trump will win in 2024. Yes, really.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Wednesday October 20 2021, @04:58PM (42 children)
All handed to him by the democrats feigned "weakness"
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 5, Informative) by DannyB on Wednesday October 20 2021, @05:07PM (17 children)
Handed to him by those who vote for him.
If you eat an entire cake without cutting it, you technically only had one piece.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Wednesday October 20 2021, @05:24PM (16 children)
People vote for him because they feel there's no choice. Frustration put him into office, just like it did for Carter, Clinton, and Obama which resulted in subsequent republican victories, because of democrat complicity in their refusal to overturn "republican" policy, it's happening right now. People see no reason to vote for a democrat, aside from being "not trump". The Party is happy as long as the vote remains between DNC and GOP. You can't argue with a 95% reelection rate.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 20 2021, @06:21PM (7 children)
If people are frustrated they should vote for someone better, not worse. Voting R because Ds didn't do well enough is just massive ignorance. Odd how your narrative is always anti-dem while being ever so slightly pro-rep.
To head off your reply, yes the Rs are awful and it would really be nice if we could just ignore them as you like to do but that just buries the problem and pins all the blame on Ds. Acknowledging that Rs are terrible when someone calls you out is not enough to counteract your one-sided (ha!) rhetoric.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Wednesday October 20 2021, @06:36PM (6 children)
No, what happens when the politician doesn't perform is that the dems stay home, handing the election to the republicans, until the republicans piss them off enough to get out and reelect the same dems, rinse/repeat. We can pin the beginning of this when the dems nominated Humphrey in '68, handing the election to Nixon. If the dems want to win, they have to become an actual opposition party. Their so called "compromise" is really complicity. But as we can see, the illusion works, corralling 98% of the vote. Not too shabby
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 20 2021, @08:33PM (5 children)
1956 - 59.3%
1964 - 61.4%
1968 - 60.7%
1972 - 55.1%
1976 - 53.6%
1980 - 52.8%
1984 - 53.3%
1988 - 50.3%
1992 - 55.2%
1996 - 49.0%
2000 - 50.5%
2004 - 55.7%
2008 - 57.1%
2012 - 53.8%
2016 - 54.8%
Hmm, not seeing this drastic partisan change you're talking about. Might want to clear your talking points with reality first.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Wednesday October 20 2021, @09:13PM (4 children)
:-) Thanks for making my point. Keep it as close to 50% as possible, which has worked pretty well from '72 onward, before then it was a solid 60% (Percent of what, by the way?). So yeah, something happened to keep things more evenly divided. Frustration, antipathy, and money are the biggest motivators. The Party works it very well to its advantage.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 5, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 20 2021, @10:43PM (3 children)
"which has worked pretty well from '72 onward, before then it was a solid 60%"
Uh oh you sprung the trap!
1920 - 49.2%
1924 - 48.9%
1928 - 56.9%
1932 - 52.6%
1936 - 58.8%
1940 - 58.8%
1944 - 56.1%
1948 - 51.1%
1952 - 61.6%
Warms my heart to see you out yourself as a total hack. Never do research, just shit out one dimensional hot takes, rinse and repeat.
"Frustration, antipathy, and money are the biggest motivators"
Which is why you constantly work to generate the first two?
"Keep it as close to 50% as possible, which has worked pretty well from '72 onward, before then it was a solid 60% (Percent of what, by the way?)."
Interesting how you make a counter point BEFORE you point out that you don't even know what the numbers mean. % of voting age population btw. Thanks for reacting before thinking, gave me a good chuckle.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Wednesday October 20 2021, @11:18PM (1 child)
Eh, much ado about nothing.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 4, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 21 2021, @01:56AM
hahaahhaha
you absolute sniveling coward
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 21 2021, @06:23AM
>> Uh oh you sprung the trap!
Fusty is known to trigger traps all the time. But the time old question remains unsolved: Are traps gay?
(Score: 2) by cmdrklarg on Wednesday October 20 2021, @08:51PM (7 children)
People voted for him for various reasons: he had an (R) after his name; to "own" the libruls; or because they agree with their fellow sociopath.
Your constant bleating about "one party conspiracy" is ludicrous. Since when are groups larger than about a dozen able to keep their mouth shut about such things?
The two party system evolved from our First Past The Post voting systems. No grand conspiracy needed. Now in all honesty, since that system benefits both parties there is little incentive to change things. To say that they are cooperating is another thing entirely.
Answer now is don't give in; aim for a new tomorrow.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Wednesday October 20 2021, @09:30PM (4 children)
The numbers and sequence of events tell the whole story, some people are just in denial apparently. There is no "conspiracy", that's just the standard strawman distraction by partisans to avoid the issue. I never said anything about a "conspiracy". Both factions of the Party merely have mutual interests to preserve the reelection rates, and maintain financial support from the industry which would dry up if they don't comply. Even you can't deny that 95% is pretty impressive.
Republicans will vote for republicans, democrats for democrats. There is no reason vote for a democrat if the democrats act like republicans and refuse to oppose them, making up all sorts of excuses that make people want to vomit. If you want the dems to win, you know what has to be done. And now it looks like Manchin might leave the dems, handing the senate back, oh well... sayonara... vaya con dios
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 2) by cmdrklarg on Thursday October 21 2021, @03:32PM (3 children)
So you're not actually believing that there is a big conspiracy, that's cool. Stop with the "one party" rhetoric then. They're not working together, they're just not rocking the boat.
RE: Manchin - He might as well switch, as he's been effectively working for the GOP these past months. Ditto with Sinema, whose constituency is not happy about it.
Answer now is don't give in; aim for a new tomorrow.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Thursday October 21 2021, @07:36PM (2 children)
Of course they are. It is perfectly normal to act this way when nobody is watching, they do what they can get away with. Everybody is just in denial, and this is the chronic result. Regardless of any of this, it is still up to the voters to change the Party or remove it. There is no other way for it to happen.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 2) by cmdrklarg on Thursday October 21 2021, @09:12PM (1 child)
Dude, make up your mind about what message you're sending. Are they colluding, or not?
They are not, because there is a big difference between two sides cooperating and two opposing sides not changing the rules of the game.
Answer now is don't give in; aim for a new tomorrow.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Thursday October 21 2021, @09:29PM
They are indeed cooperating to maintain those reelection numbers, which should speak loudly enough to wake the dead. DNC/GOP act as one, almost since Reconstruction. The "Battling Bickersons" routine is for your entertainment. I don't expect murder in the senate. I don't understand why this seems odd. Congress is prison yard politics in Armani
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 0, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 21 2021, @04:30AM (1 child)
The lefties have these made up reasons in their heads, and won't listen to anyone who contradicts them. If you want to know why people voted for him, why don't you ask the people who voted for him, instead of the people who didn't vote for him.
The majority of the answers are going to be :
- It is obvious the Democrats have sold out to their corporate overlords. They do nothing for anyone on or below the average wage.
- He wasn't Clinton. He wasn't even part of the Establishment. It was a giant "Fuck You" to everyone screwing them over.
- He promised to make things better. He may not have done it, but he at least promised to try.
- Buttery Males. You can make fun of it all you like, but there are over a million people with security clearances who know they would be spending a decade in jail if they did what Clinton did with classified documents and destruction of evidence. That's one million direct, plus everyone they can convince, who won't vote for her.
(Score: -1, Redundant) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 21 2021, @06:27AM
no no no... it was the russian hackers™
(Score: 5, Insightful) by DannyB on Wednesday October 20 2021, @06:39PM (23 children)
You don't say anything about how horrible some of the worst of the R's are. Just how bad all of the D's are.
Of course that's not as bad as some others whose universal answer is "TDS". It must be TDS! When they say that they have already lost any argument.
The question I raised about Greene is why some people will vote for someone so horrible. It really is astonishing. I don't think Biden is the best president ever (or worst), but I don't think he is horrible as a human being.
If you eat an entire cake without cutting it, you technically only had one piece.
(Score: 2, Interesting) by fustakrakich on Wednesday October 20 2021, @06:47PM (4 children)
It's a given, goes without mentioning. Why bemoan the obvious when no opposition is put up? To win, the dems have to oppose, not "compromise". It's the only way to motivate enough voters to maintain a real filibuster proof majority. The present charade is run to keep congress at 50-50 where blame passing works the best. Governing is not their intention, reelection is, and it's working like a charm, wouldn't you agree?
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Wednesday October 20 2021, @06:58PM (1 child)
I can't disagree with that. The dems in power are spineless. The R's are ruthless and don't care about you or your family. It is too bad people don't take "public service" seriously. It's not about winning the argument, it is about what is good policy. Some people don't care about actual policy, only inflexible ideology.
If you eat an entire cake without cutting it, you technically only had one piece.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Wednesday October 20 2021, @07:09PM
They are not "spineless" at all. This is a coalition to maintain power and authority. The "spinelessness" is pure theater, looking for sympathy votes, but just enough to keep it at 50%. And to reelect them is also corrupt. It means they're looking for some kind of preferential treatment, handout/tax cut. Like it not not, the government is a pretty good reflection. A little like a certain Surfside condo.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Magic Oddball on Thursday October 21 2021, @09:27AM (1 child)
There's one big problem: a lot of registered Democrats are relatively centrist and will stop helping the party's candidates win if the Democrats start trying to push too far to the left in the name of opposition.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Thursday October 21 2021, @07:13PM
Yes, the party is very conservative, just as much so as the republicans, as their mutual successes show.. The "liberals" won't get anything out of it. An actual liberal party would draw a significant number of republicans in addition to the democrats. The insistence on riding DNC coattails after all the failures over the last half century is a bit irrational.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 3, Insightful) by cmdrklarg on Wednesday October 20 2021, @09:12PM (1 child)
They vote for Greene because like her, they are horrible human beings. They are more interested in making sure the right people are harmed instead of making their own lives better. They are happy to watch the world burn as long as THOSE people are burning too.
They also vote for her because she has an (R) after her name on the ballot (the stupidest reason to vote for someone. Yes, this includes those who vote (D) for that reason as well).
Answer now is don't give in; aim for a new tomorrow.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 21 2021, @04:37AM
I am reminded of a scene in a book set back in the slave era. Can't remeber the title, but the scene was written so well it is still pretty vivid. A runaway slave is recaptured and the slavers give him a choice. Chop his foot off with an axe, or chop his balls off with a machete. Care to guess which he chose?
So who else was on the ballot?
(Score: 0, Flamebait) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday October 20 2021, @09:42PM (15 children)
On the contrary, you don't yet understand the argument.
Are you old enough to remember when Bush left office? Libruls blamed Bush for the hurricanes, for 9/11/01, for forest fires, for the price of gas, - EVERYTHING! In their eyes, Bush was some kind of supernatural god-like being. Had to be to do all the things libruls accused him of.
And, today, we have TDS. Some average dumbass won an election - much like Bush - and your librul media attributes him with all sorts of powers. He's larger than life, he eclipses Hitler, he draws on dark powers, blah blah blah.
FFS, get over that shit. TDS is a real thing, and you don't live beside a river in Egypt.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 21 2021, @02:07AM (1 child)
Hi traitor, if you're lucky the Navy won't haul your ass in for being a piece of shit oath breaker.
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 21 2021, @07:38AM
All that shit, from Katrina to the invasion of Iraq, was Bush's fault. He was one incompetent asshole, much like our Runaway, here! "You're doing a heck of a job, Brownie!" Yes, if Bush Jr has ever served, for real, he would be an oath-breaker like the Runaway. A loathesome, incompetent, not too bright piece of shit, fallen not far from the tree. Only, nobody knows for sure who Runaway1956's father was. Some say his father is dead, from a certain point of view.
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Thursday October 21 2021, @02:26PM (12 children)
You are misstating it.
Bush was blamed for mishandling Katrina. Doing nothing for too long. Sort of like Trump and Covid-19.
Bush administration had enough information to have detected 9/11, but didn't put it together. Although I don't really blame Bush. I think that was organizational incompetence.
I don't remember about Bush and the price of gas in short supply due to using that gas to start forest fires.
TDS is just a nonsense answer to legitimate criticisms of a horrible president and even worse human being. It is just an attempt to silence and deflect embarrassing criticism. Nothing else.
TDS is a real thing that is suffered by Trump's supporters, worshipers, sycophants and acolytes.
If you eat an entire cake without cutting it, you technically only had one piece.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Thursday October 21 2021, @03:10PM (11 children)
Yes, five days. Bush did nothing for five days. The mayor of New Orleans couldn't pick up a phone, or get on a radio, or even send a police cruiser to the state capitol in five days, to call for help. The governor of Louisiana couldn't pick up a phone, or get on a radio, or charter an airplane to take her to Washington, D.C. to ask for help.
It took five days of silence from the state, before Bush finally asked "WTF is going on down there? Better send in the cavalry to get some answers!"
Bush did a lot of stupid shit, but you don't get to blame him for _any_damned_thing_ that Democrat officials fucked up during and after Katrina.
The 9/11 stuff? Gotta agree, at least in part. There were laws in place that actually prevented the various intel agencies from sharing info. I think 9/11 could have been stopped, but it isn't clear that Bush had all the knowledge necessary to do so. The Pentagon should have had all that intel, but . . . they didn't. The CIA should have had it. Let's not even talk about the FBI. Time and time again, they interview bad guys, and let them go. Then the next month they set up a sting, and imprsison idiots who aren't competent to string three firecrackers to go off in series.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Thursday October 21 2021, @03:39PM (10 children)
Five days is a long time if YOU are the one in the middle of a disaster without food, water, shelter, power, medicine, etc.
If you eat an entire cake without cutting it, you technically only had one piece.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Thursday October 21 2021, @06:40PM (9 children)
Yep, you're right. 5 days is a helluva long time. So, for five long days, no one in the disaster area did anything?
Now, let's take a look at the situation from another perspective. The mayor might make excuses that he was literally up to his ass in alligators. I won't believe it, but he can make the claim. What about the governor? SHE happened to be sitting nice and cozy a couple hundred miles from Ground Zero. She didn't know, and apparently didn't care, that no news was coming out of one of the biggest cities in her state? WTF didn't she roll some state police, or the National Guard, both of which she commanded? Five days. That really is a helluva long time.
Stepping outside the chain of command within the state, we have to ask why FEMA didn't sound an alarm. Or any agency within Homeland Security. Why didn't the Army Corps of Engineers contact the outside world on their own? Mostly, I defend the Corps of Engineers when idiots are attacking them in regards to Katrina. But, they dropped the ball by failing to contact higher command.
The President of the United States shouldn't be picking up the phone to ask every mayor in the country how they weathered the latest storm. There are multiple communications nets through which the Pres is supposed to be kept informed.
Oh, one more. WTF was CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS and all the other worthless news sources? Not ONE of them tried to get a news van into the affected area? Any one of them could have reached Lafayette, and reported from there. I think they could have reached the north shore of Lake Pontchartrain - but nothing.
Incompetence was wide spread in the state, and in the nation, but you can't blame the White House for all of that.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Thursday October 21 2021, @07:44PM
Incompetence everywhere.. [youtube.com] That's what makes any hurricane into a disaster.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 22 2021, @08:08PM (7 children)
Perhaps this [youtube.com] might jog [youtube.com] your memory? [youtube.com] Those look to me like a bit more than just "nothing".
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday October 22 2021, @08:56PM (6 children)
Your first link. I don't recognize her, but the senator is blathering about what a good job she and congress is doing? Fair haired boy in the background, "Excuse me senator . . . for 4 days I've been seeing bodies in the streets . . ."
That is exactly what I was talking about. And, it took 4 days to get the message out there. On the 5th day, George told his people to find out WTF was happening.
I'll give you this: My memory of Katrina isn't as sharp as it was in 2005. But, it was quite personal for me. I made a delivery in New Orleans 3 days before Katrina, and I made another on day 8 or 9 after. Went into the city in company with the Colorado National Guard, in fact. When I left New Orleans, I went to Mississippi, where the damage was at least as bad, and probably worse. So, even after 11 years of growing older, I still have a pretty clear memory of the news I was seeing after Katrina.
The word was not going out, loud enough, or soon enough, or long enough.
I thank you for your links - and here's one for you. https://southernspaces.org/2009/x-codes-post-katrina-postscript/ [southernspaces.org]
Just look at the photo for a moment before scrolling down. I can't say whether I saw that particular house when I went back into New Orleans. But, I saw hundreds like it on my first post-Katrina trip, and thousands more in succeeding trips to the city.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 3, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 22 2021, @11:01PM (5 children)
<rolls eyes>The "fair haired boy" is Anderson Cooper. You have heard of him, yes?</rolls eyes>
Is anyone surprised by this? Anyone???
Go back and look at those news clips again, this time for comprehension. Reporters were all over this story literally from day one. About the only ones who weren't immediately paying attention were a certain few idiots in the White House.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday October 22 2021, @11:22PM (4 children)
Anderson Cooper, on day 4, embarrassed a senator. That's day 4. The other two videos you offer are reminiscences, long after the fact.
I do not recall any news network doing 24/7 coverage from downtown New Orleans during that first week after Katrina landed. I think that CNN did a better job than the others, but still, CNN news crews weren't hounding officials at FEMA, or at the National Guard headquarters, or at the White House.
Day four, our Fair Haired boy, whom you have identified as Anderson Cooper, brought a senator to bay, and hit her with some unsettling facts. Why weren't there 50 other news hounds at the Capitol Building in Washington, D.C. demanding answers on day two?
I'm having a problem with the thrust of your posts. Are you implying that Bush was the only person in the nation who had any responsibility in that fiasco?
Once again - the mayor didn't reach out through official channels. I've allowed that maybe he has a half-assed excuse. The governor didn't reach out. The Civil Service didn't reach out. (Parenthetically, I had a run-in with one of those fine Civil Sercice badge-carrying assholes, in New Orleans - a completely ignorant fuck.) National Guard, Corps of Engineers, State Police, none of them contacted the outside world.
Day four. One embarrassed senator being mauled by a reporter got results, the following day.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 23 2021, @12:01AM (3 children)
What they are "reminiscing" about is their coverage of the Katrina story which they were doing from Day 1, you blithering tool!!!
No, I'm implying that he and a certain few others in his administration were not paying attention to what was going on and being covered live 24/7 on the news. They were oblivious while a city on US soil was literally drowning.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 24 2021, @03:37AM (2 children)
Didn't you catch the memo? "The buck stops here," is now "the buck stops here, unless you are a Republican."
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 24 2021, @04:35PM (1 child)
"The Buck Stops Here" - Truman
"The Buck Will Stop With You" - Obama
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 27 2021, @12:26AM
"I'll put the bucks in my pocket. Anything else, you're on your own." - Trump
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 20 2021, @05:06PM (24 children)
The lies and distractions have been ramping up for decades. It is the long con, and the fools that buy into it were slowly pushed further from reality. Which of course hinges on a few nuggets of truth. I had some libertarian type try convincing me school shootings are fake news to generate suplort for taking everyone's guns.
(Score: 4, Touché) by DannyB on Wednesday October 20 2021, @06:44PM (19 children)
When I was a kid, journalists seemed to take journalism seriously. Being objective. Keeping their own politics out of the story. When I got older I was surprised to learn that some journalists I respected had politics I disagreed with -- but I didn't know that before because they didn't bring their politics into their journalism. So even once I learned of their politics, I respected them as journalists even if disagreeing with them on other issues.
When did real journalism and objectivity get thrown out the window?
I remember in August 1990 when Iraq invaded Kuwait. CNN was the go to news source. This war is what propelled CNN to being well known and popular. Somewhere between then and 2013 (when I quit CNN) it had changed.
What about Fox News? I don't know. Were they ever about objectivity?
If you eat an entire cake without cutting it, you technically only had one piece.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Wednesday October 20 2021, @06:59PM (16 children)
Were they? Did they advise against making war? Or did they help spread the lies [ozy.com], like the rest of mass media? I also remember them being pro-war after 9/11 too.
The only difference between then and now is the social media narrative added to the old timey propaganda. Nothing really has changed, all the same people are still in power.
Fake news from the state and its lapdog wire services are what fuel the fake news from everybody else
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 20 2021, @08:14PM (11 children)
turns into
You're such a troll.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Wednesday October 20 2021, @09:01PM (10 children)
Whatever, that doesn't explain what made CNN the "go to news source", or why they were "propelled". They are 24 hour "news" channel. That's what made them popular, the convenience. Doesn't mean they were any more truthful than they are now. You make no sense.. surprise surprise
What changed was that every headline became a screaming editorial on all the news channels, imitating FOX
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 3, Informative) by DannyB on Wednesday October 20 2021, @09:16PM (4 children)
What made CNN the go to news source was because they had gotten reporters in the hotel on the night that the bombing began. They had battery operated satellite phones and were able to report along with some actual video. No other network news organization had this. I remember other channels, such as NBC, saying things like: "CNN is reporting blah blah blah". That is because the only facts they could get is that it was a fact that CNN was reporting some specific thing -- whether it was true or not.
The first gulf war is what made CNN popular. It had already existed as a 24/7 news channel. It became very popular because it was in the right times and places in the gulf war.
It's not about "truthful". It's about reporting simple facts and nothing more. This is what many news organizations did back in 1990. It was a different time. Journalism was still taken seriously. You may not be old enough to remember.
Other print news organizations got reporters in and reported similar facts. I remember reading things like Time, Newsweek, and others at the time. All of the news painted a coherent picture, consistent with what the Republican administration was itself publicly reporting.
You just cannot accept that news organizations may once have been something different and better than they are today.
If you eat an entire cake without cutting it, you technically only had one piece.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 20 2021, @09:32PM
That would require actual critical thinking and would interfere with their political narrative.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Wednesday October 20 2021, @10:18PM (2 children)
Well, yeah, if they are the only ones there, you go to them, you go to anybody with a mic and camera. Doesn't make them any "better" or more credible. It's just serendipity... The magic worked. Like I said in the other post, only their tone changed, nothing is said without an opinion. I tuned out for the same reason, it's impossible to listen to.
And please, 1990 was hardly a different time (though your comment is amusing). We could still see people like Trump a mile away moving up the ranks, Bill Clinton, for instance, joined at the hips, helped Newt Gingrich (you remember him, don't you?) become speaker of the house a few years later. The far bigger change until they gave it up for Trump was in '68, lit the fuse... made Trump inevitable, a natural progression from Nixon and Reagan Gingrich, et al and all the democrats that assisted, like evolution itself. You may not be old enough to remember. I do, watched it live, Mayor Daley sure showed them...
Wait, what? being consistent the administration is "better"? And what was "coherent" about it? Yeah, okay, they finally came around and criticized Vietnam and made a small stink about the CIA (but that was well before 1990), but basically they remain the same mouthpiece as always. What has changed is their presentation, the story line hasn't.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 21 2021, @02:10AM
That sure took you a while to come up with, pretty lame for all that effort. Of course it was super simple for a sigma brain like you, sorry to insinuate you had to tax your grey matter!
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 21 2021, @06:57AM
I used to like Canada's Naked News. It was probably more objective than most other news networks because the news was mostly incidental to the reason people watched it.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 21 2021, @03:58AM (4 children)
Do you remember Headline News? CNN operated that channel, which ran the news 24/7 on a 30 minute loop. If you turned it on any time of the day or night, within 30 minutes, you could learn about the top stories of the day. It didn't allow for in-depth reporting, but it also didn't focus on one or two politically charged stories. It was about informing views of the top news stories, not persuading them. No such channel exists at all on cable now. HLN nominally exists, but it's not a news channel any longer.
For that matter, CNN ran programs like Crossfire, which were opinion-based, but weren't biased. It was a debate between Democrats and Republicans, where both were represented equally. The viewer could hear both sides of an argument and decide which was more compelling. That program hasn't existed for several years, instead replaced by shows where the host tells the viewers what they should think instead of requiring viewers to think for themselves.
Those are two ways where CNN used to be much better than it is now.
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Thursday October 21 2021, @03:22PM (3 children)
I fondly remember Headline News. In 20 minutes I could get all the major news, skipping the sports nonsense.
If you eat an entire cake without cutting it, you technically only had one piece.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Thursday October 21 2021, @07:21PM (2 children)
"Hollywood Minute" was the best segment. When there was no TV, I had news radio "Give us 22 minutes, and we'll give you the world"
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 22 2021, @11:10PM (1 child)
So, that's what you Ruskies listen to? Interesting!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 27 2021, @12:36AM
I'm sure there were "Russkies" listening to 1010 WINS [youtube.com] in New York City. We have lots of different folks here, including Russians.
That Fusty the Moron™ is aware of that station gives me a sinking feeling that he may be geographically closer to me than I'd like. But given his idiocy, I'd guess he was from Stagnant Island [wikipedia.org] or Suffolk County [wikipedia.org], where the brain-dead usually end up.
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Wednesday October 20 2021, @09:08PM (3 children)
Yes. They were. Even according to George H W Bush's Republican administration. They watched CNN. And said so.
You just don't like it. You are probably unfamiliar with the CNN back then vs what it is today.
They didn't 'advise'. They reported. That is ALL they are supposed to do. You've been watching too much of either current CNN or Fox News.
It was the R's who were for the war and the D's against it. Because the R's were in power. If the D's had been in power and the exact set of events took place and we were prepping for war, the D's would be for war and the R's would be against it. Got it?
If you eat an entire cake without cutting it, you technically only had one piece.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Wednesday October 20 2021, @10:36PM (2 children)
They read government press releases in front the camera, sometimes even when under fire. That's all they did for Trump too, in a funny kind of way... How long has that been standard practice? [courier-journal.com]
Where did I ever say that isn't so? What does that have to do with the press? You see some kind of substantive change where there is none, and I have already acknowledged the change in style that makes them so repulsive, and even that is driven by ratings... what was the question again?
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Thursday October 21 2021, @02:15PM (1 child)
There is a substantive change.
Once upon a time CNN was about journalism and reporting facts.
Now CNN is about politics, opinion, talking heads, and spreading a certain narrative. Just like Fox News.
I remember when CNN closed all of their foreign bureaus. At that time I thought "how are they going to report foreign news?"
If you eat an entire cake without cutting it, you technically only had one piece.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Thursday October 21 2021, @07:27PM
All of mass media is following the same format. There is nobody to single out. Even NPR went Hollywood during the Lewinsky thing, had to wait all day to get regular news. Obviously they know more than you and I do about getting ratings
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday October 20 2021, @09:51PM (1 child)
No, I don't think so. Oh, they claimed to be "fair and balanced". But, they were a stalking horse from as far back as I can remember. The only "balance" was to balance some of the left's excesses.
But, yeah, what you said about CNN rings true. They were so new, so refreshing, so open and honest, they reported the stuff no one else would report. How did they go so horribly wrong in their later years?
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by DannyB on Thursday October 21 2021, @02:20PM
Greed. Profit motive.
Reporters and foreign news bureau offices in other countries are expensive.
Talking heads that spout unsubstantiated opinions are inexpensive. And get better ratings.
If you eat an entire cake without cutting it, you technically only had one piece.
(Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 23 2021, @03:22AM (3 children)
Alec Baldwin shoots and kills cinematographer Halyna Hutchins, allegedly accidentally, after publicly stating "I wonder how it must feel to wrongfully kill someone."
(How it would be reported if a R had done it.)
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 23 2021, @07:34PM (1 child)
You are correct--that's how it would be reported. But if Alec Baldwin were Republican, he would have in fact publicly stated, "I wonder how it must feel to purposely kill someone?" before shooting the prop gun.
It would have been reported just as you said, because the media would be protecting Republican Alec Baldwin. And if anyone dared to report what he really said, there would be screams of "Fake news!" and threats of violence.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 24 2021, @04:31PM
Wrongfully - in an unjust or unfair manner
Wrongful - Having no legally established claim; Unlawfully violating the rights of others
You still — rightfully — go to prison for wrongful death. If you're a Republican, they destroy your life and your family, first.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 23 2021, @09:23PM
Left-wing extremist hot-head actor Alec Baldwin, in a violent rampage, shoots and kills cinematographer Halyna Hutchins and injures one more, waving the gun around shocked, fleeing witnesses, allegedly accidentally, after publicly stating "I wonder how it must feel to wrongfully kill someone." Long known for wild diatribes and personal attacks on his children, his former wife, and the many people he has called his enemies, the has-been actor, now facing manslaughter charges, denied participating in the gun being loaded under orders for him, by an intimidated assistant, whose name is being withheld for personal safety.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by khallow on Wednesday October 20 2021, @05:11PM (8 children)
Who made that promise and why did you take it seriously enough to mention it? What's sad is that anyone could have made that promise. It could have been a pro-firearm supporter or opponent.
I think this illustrates two of the great flaws of US society (as well as other democracies). First, placing more importance on promises than on action/history. Present day budget deficits are in large part due to voters taking promises more seriously than budget trends.
Second, is a myopic attitude towards risk. Harming the freedom of hundreds of millions of people for the sake of a few hypothetical lives is insane. But it's a typical risk-oriented decision in today's society with several examples discussed in recent days (such as bailing out businesses).
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 20 2021, @05:20PM (5 children)
Amazing how khallow is so consistently able to get things wrong while still somewhat accurately describing the situation. Then again, he stated that his main purpose here is to argue. Only slighy better than being a troll, not by much and in some ways much worse.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 20 2021, @06:06PM (1 child)
He's only being correct, which is the ultimate troll. Shall not be infringed, fucker.
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Wednesday October 20 2021, @06:59PM
Hey, you have a right to travel. But not necessarily to operate a motor vehicle. Similarly, you can still be armed even if you individually are one of a very few who should not have a firearm.
If you eat an entire cake without cutting it, you technically only had one piece.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday October 20 2021, @09:58PM (2 children)
Amazing how so many of you come here just to complain and bellyache about people who post. Seriously, khallow may or may not have contributed something to this discussion - but you have contributed nothing at all.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 21 2021, @12:44AM (1 child)
Contributing nothing is better than being a net drain like you and your ilk.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 21 2021, @01:58AM
Ha! So true.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Wednesday October 20 2021, @05:32PM
The Party cannot win any other way, in fact, they wouldn't even get a place on the ballot.
Present day deficits are due to the Wall Street bailouts, and the interest on your national "debt". That money could fulfill the politicians promises a few times over
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 21 2021, @07:47AM
Oh, quite so. Do you know what this is? It is a .44 Magnum, the most powerful handgun made. So tell me, khallow punk, do you feel "lucky"? Well, do ya, punk?
(We all await khallow's risk distributed answer that would maximize freedom at the risk of only one or two khallows being "accidently" killed by rogue cops. )
(Score: 4, Insightful) by DeathMonkey on Wednesday October 20 2021, @05:47PM
Damn, what a dedicated crisis actor to take 23 years in prison for a part.
That the fucking Method right there man!
Daniel Day-Lewis can suck it!!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 20 2021, @07:51PM (37 children)
From what I hear, Runaway and a bunch of patriotic gun lovers are forming a "Teenaged Multiple Murderer Defense Fund" at Patreon, or GoFundMe, or at "BuildTheWall.scam". Mostly for Kyle.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 20 2021, @08:23PM (23 children)
That was such a perfect event to encapsulate conservative hypocrisy and hatred. Defending an underage bully who the broke the law and ended up murdering people, meanwhile the 1/6 insurrection was just "some tourists" in their minds. Unbelievable.
(Score: 0, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 20 2021, @08:46PM (9 children)
>> murdering people
What an odd way of framing an act of self defense in response to violent aggression from pedophiles and/or registered sex offenders.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 20 2021, @09:41PM (7 children)
He murdered someone with an illegal firearm as was his intention when he crossed state lines to engage with protesters and rioters. People rightfully tried to aprehend him for murdering someone. He should have put down his gun and surrendered saying it was self defense instead of murdering another person and maiming another that was trying to apprehend a criminal. As always the rightwingers try and use character attacks to justify their crimes. It would be such a shame if your guns exploded in your face.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday October 20 2021, @10:03PM
Crossing state lines? I do that routinely. I'm an American, not an Arkansan. Ditto for Kyle. He doesn't need or want any person's approval to cross state lines. Please stop with your meaningless drivel.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 20 2021, @10:10PM (1 child)
Not murder, not an illegal firearm, and he was employed in Kenosha. It's a shame Grosskreutz survived.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 21 2021, @02:04AM
Interesting, you celebrate a murderer and lament that he didn't finish off one of his victims that was trying to detain someone that just murdered another human. You think you are righteous while glorifying cold blooded murder, it is like conservatives have tossed out every shred of humanity and are H A P P Y about it. Murderous fuckers, you're lucky most of us retain our humanity.
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 21 2021, @03:02AM (3 children)
[Citation Needed]
Firsthand witness accounts contradict your baseless allegations and provide supporting evidence that he was there to protect a local business. [dailycaller.com]
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 21 2021, @03:32AM (2 children)
So you're saying damage to life or property can be defended against with lethal force? I guess the next asshole that rolls coal is gonna get a bullet from the person they try to give cancer to. Lets see, the McCloskeys should have been beaten to death for brandishing their firearms at protesters which threatened their lives. The Charlottesville nazi should get the electric chair for running over another protester. Trump should be shanked in a prison bathroom for, well, pick a crime! I'll go with assaulting people on the private property of a church so he could have a lame photo op, along with all the boots that carried it out.
Sounds like a really great future society you're supporting, no way it could go badly for the party of domestic terrorism. OH! Right, all the insurrectionists that entered the Capitol should be in front of a military firing squad!
Sure you want to go down the road of normalizing murder by civilians over petty crimes? Seems like a short road to Mad Max.
Since you're obviously a violence loving turd I'd like you to realize that Kyle Rittenhouse was recruited by white supremacists to do exactly what he did. A responsible citizen would have had a radio and called the police, not gone murderous vigilante over arson.
Finally, dailcaller?
LOL you assholes actually read a shitrag from the biggest douche in the US? Not to mention a trust fund baby that never worked a day in his life. The conservative shitfest of hypocrisy and betrayed ideals continues!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 21 2021, @04:43AM
Wisconsin is an open carry state and the act of holding a firearm in plain view, in itself, can deter rioters from committing property damage.
Video evidence clearly shows his use of force was for self defence in response to physical acts of aggresssion, including attempts to seize his firearm and to assault him. [youtube.com]
Where is your evidence that lethal force was used in response to property damage? Should be easy to provide a link to a video with timestamps showing him shooting the other people unprovoked. That is, if it actually happened that way.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 22 2021, @06:47AM
>> conspicuous lack of evidence
>> genetic fallacy
Cool story bro.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 21 2021, @07:49AM
Yes. Pre-emptive self-defense describes what happened at Parkland to a tee. Or, it was mass murder. Hmm, hard to tell, when there are so many alternative truths, and guns involved.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday October 20 2021, @10:00PM (12 children)
Self defense is homicide, but self defense is not murder. You have to be truly fucked in the head to say that it is.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 2, Informative) by fustakrakich on Wednesday October 20 2021, @11:30PM (11 children)
Self defense is justifiable homicide. Does it still go on your permanent record?
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday October 20 2021, @11:44PM (10 children)
Records are fungible if you have money.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 21 2021, @08:03AM (9 children)
And since Kyle does not have enough money, murder sympathizing Runaway and friends are perfectly willing to help raise some! Build the Wall!
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Thursday October 21 2021, @08:47AM (8 children)
As a matter of fact, I donated early. The almost spammy followup emails are getting tiresome. Kyle raised enough money for his defense within ~4 or 5 months. He has been commoditized, and the emails soliciting donations keep on coming.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 21 2021, @10:43PM
Sucker you are
(Score: 2, Troll) by aristarchus on Friday October 22 2021, @11:20AM (6 children)
How much did you contribute to the Nicholas Cruz defense fund, Runaway? Need to be supportive of second Remberment rights, no matter what the case, right?
(Score: 1, Flamebait) by Runaway1956 on Friday October 22 2021, @03:10PM (5 children)
You're an ignorant ass, and so is the person who modded you up. Cruz murdered defenseless people who had never done anything to him. Innocent kids for the most part, who haven't had an opportunity to offend anyone. Innocent people, chosen at random.
The people Kyle killed were rioting, and they assaulted him. The person Kyle wounded was another rioter, who first assaulted Kyle with a deadly weapon.
There is nothing similar about the cases.
Ignant moran. Try to pretend that you're a philosopher, so long as you strut around here wearing that nick.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by aristarchus on Friday October 22 2021, @11:33PM (4 children)
Runaway! You are an ignorant moron, and nothing proves it like your support of teenaged murders! Both of these high school students brought a weapon into a situation looking to kill someone. That proves malum in mens, premeditated malicious intend, which is the defining element of murder. One of them has pled guilty, the other has become a cause célèbre for right-wing death-cult fascists, and idiot donors like yourself.
You can pretend you are an aged American delinquent runaway, strutting around with your nick, but we all know what evil lurks in the heart of covert Trump supporters.
(Score: 1, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Friday October 22 2021, @11:48PM (3 children)
You're an idiot. Every time to offer an opinion regarding Rittenhouse, you only prove yourself a bigger idiot. Rittenhouse killed a pair of convict idiot rioters, each of whom attacked him first. Funny how libruls don't like examining the past history of the rioters. Child molesters, burglars, thieves, con-men, deserters from the military, etc ad nauseum.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by aristarchus on Saturday October 23 2021, @12:00AM (2 children)
NO, Runaway! You are the idiot. Murdering murders is still murder. Rittenhauser did not accidently kill, he went out armed with lethal intent. Funny how covert Trump supporters love themselves murderers, con men, wall-building swinders, "Gym" Jordan style pedofile enablers, Oath-braking Arkansas hillbilly ex-truckers, and Hucktser Carlsen. Kyle was of the same sort as Adam, just one of them went to an elementary school. Kyle should swing, or fry, or do some drugs. Fortunately, I am pro-life, and reject capital punishment.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 23 2021, @03:50AM (1 child)
So ari, care to share the details of what you allegedly or not did to get a 6+ month mod ban?
(Score: 1, Troll) by Frigatebird on Saturday October 23 2021, @07:13AM
I don't know, but I am pretty sure that aristarchus did not kill multiple people with an AR-15 Insult riffle, in order to get mod-banned. On the other hand, we really know very little of how the Lords of Soylent dispense "justice", so maybe he did. But in any case, the equivalency seems farfetched.
#Freearistarchus!!!!
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday October 20 2021, @10:04PM (12 children)
From what I hear, butt loads of anonymous cowards and libruls donated money to get rioters out of jail. You treasonous bastards!
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 20 2021, @10:29PM (11 children)
If that is treason then the 1/6 insurrection should result in the death penalty for all the criminals involved, starting with dear leader. If you want to declare his actions legal then it will be open season on any criminals.
1) Brandish weapon at people you don't like
2) Loudly yell "its coming right for us!"
3) Murder said person
4) PROFIT!
Rinse and repeat when someone tries to stop you from murdering people and loudly yell SELF DEFENSE! We see you violent domestic terrorists, no amount of cowardice will change your actions.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday October 20 2021, @11:33PM (10 children)
What? You're ready to be consistent? We can just execute ALL the criminals? Good - let's look at all the available video, and start grabbing every sumbitch who started a fire, or threw an explosive during the 2020 Summer of Love. There are literally hundreds of them for the taking - maybe thousands.
Your 1) 2) 3) and 4) are taken from some fantasy story you read. Kyle was threatened and assaulted when he extinguished a dumpster fire. Said dumpster fire was intended to be rolled through the glass front of the gas station. Kyle prevented an arson, and was assaulted. He killed a lowlife in self defense. Afterward, he was chased by a mob screaming for his blood. He was assaulted AND BATTERED by the second dead guy. Kyle was assaulted with a deadly weapon by the third guy, who survived.
Get your facts straight. You haven't complained about the rioters who were carrying weapons, have you? Why not? Only libruls should have guns?
Consistency. Try to get some - and not just on the toilet.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 21 2021, @01:02AM (4 children)
Liberals are fully consistent, but you like to pretend otherwise. You are a hypocrite that defends traitors. Do facts hurt your feefees? Maybe if you dealt with your problems instead of projecting them on to others we could have actual discussions. As for the incel / future wife beater / murderer kyle I would hope that you wouldn't support murdering someone because they try to burn down a building.
I will say thanks for acknoedging that 1/6 was an insurrection and the criminals should be punished ;^)
(Score: 2, Informative) by khallow on Thursday October 21 2021, @04:28AM (3 children)
I wouldn't support calling it "murder". Here's the Wikipedia description [wikipedia.org] of the incident.
So first, pushing a burning dumpster towards a gas station with innocent people about? To me, that'd be a good case for self defense as far as I'm concerned, were it when the shooting occurred. It is after a classic example of callous disregard for human life - a common criteria for murder (when it results in someone's death). But as it turns out, this is not when the shootings occurred.
So a violent mob chasing a person around - who was trying to get away from them - and then one member of that mob trying to take his firearm away? That's self defense. Glancing at descriptions of the other two shootings indicates they were valid self defense as well.
The real solution is for these protesters to learn what triggers self defense kills, and then not do that. Since such shootings were rare that year, I gather most people figured that part out.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 23 2021, @03:52AM (2 children)
Well you're a willful idiot that can't even bring themselves to see the treason committed by GOP terrorists. Only the other rightwingers around here give your posts any shred of credibility.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday October 24 2021, @12:54PM (1 child)
Where's the evidence?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 24 2021, @04:49PM
You don't need evidence if you Follow the Science [econlib.org]. It's kind of like a religion where everyone wears knitted pink hats and a frown, and you're not allowed to question the dogma.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 21 2021, @03:41AM (4 children)
Consistent you say? I recall the discussions we had here on SN, every liberal user repeatedly said that any rioter destroying property should be arrested. Maybe you got confused by people also condemning the police for attacking protesters exercising their constitutional rights? You're old, confusion is to be expected, but not excused when you're trying to go full fascist.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Thursday October 21 2021, @07:08AM (3 children)
Your memory is faulty. Some SN liberals suggested that it was alright to arrest rioters. Others have been full-blown Black Shirt Nazi supporters, defending the lasers being shined into police officer's eyes, setting buildings on fire, their use of incindiaries, and assaults on police as well as innocent bystanders. That old man who was beaten nearly to death in Kenosha got a number of comments from (mostly AC) lefties who seemed to think he deserved it. He probably would have died, if a more kind-hearted protester hadn't stepped in to save him.
If you support the Summer of Love rioters, you and I disagree, but maybe I can respect you if you draw the line at illegal acts. Others here deserve no respect, because they're perfectly happy to see cities burning.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 21 2021, @08:06AM (2 children)
Little River Sheriffs Department has the name, address, and all relevant postings to SN. The arc of history is long, but it tends towards Runway in the Hoosegow.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Thursday October 21 2021, @08:45AM (1 child)
Keep wishing, aristapholococcus.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 22 2021, @10:49AM
No, seriously, they are watching you, Runaway, I saw it on the FBI feed from the Fusion network that passes through my workplace.