(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 04 2021, @11:26PM
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by Anonymous Coward
on Thursday November 04 2021, @11:26PM (#1193499)
I've cultivated my aristarchus sock puppet for a long time now. Those of us in the vast right wing conspiracy have been given permission to beat on that rag doll now.
What these "anti-CRT" types never understand is that CRT is not taught in grade school.
Besides, it's not really about CRT. It's all about wanting to keep students ignorant of the real history of the racist shit this country did in the past. Can't learn from history when you don't teach it!
-- Answer now is don't give in; aim for a new tomorrow.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 04 2021, @07:38PM
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by Anonymous Coward
on Thursday November 04 2021, @07:38PM (#1193420)
When you peel away the layers, it's less about CRT, than the underlying assumptions that shape it. When those are treated as axiomatic, that is a problem - and that's already being pushed.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 04 2021, @07:52PM
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by Anonymous Coward
on Thursday November 04 2021, @07:52PM (#1193426)
Underlying assumptions, that America is a racist country, despite its surface dedication to fairness and justice for all? Yes, that is a problem, but that is not really an assumption, it is just a fact. No wonder racist conservatives do not want that "pushed", because then they could not say "I'm not racist, but, . . . " Censoring the history of the United States is a move in the culture wars, but it is a good sign, because the forces of evil have come to the realization that they can no longer be explicitly racist, so their rear-guard action is to create and demonize a "theory" of anti-racism. But as Georges Santayana said, "those who do not remember their history are condemned to repeat it."
(Score: 4, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 04 2021, @11:00PM
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by Anonymous Coward
on Thursday November 04 2021, @11:00PM (#1193492)
Ooh ooh I know this one!
"Facts don't care about your feelings snowflake!"
Seriously, this isn't stuff that is up for debate. You a holocaust denier as well? I think most Republicans are stuck in a white-washed (ha see what I did there?) version of history where the US is about freedom, equality, and being the greatest country ever. Having the truth wack them upside the head when they've got very little knowledge of the topic can be shocking, so like most humans they hop straight to denial. Don't worry little scared AC, yes the world is a scary place full of stuff worse than you could have imagined. I had a similar reaction as a teen when people tried telling me about the evil's committed by the US government like the CIA's drug programs, MKUltra, sterilization of minorities, etc.
It gets better, but first you have to be willing to accept that your view of reality is incomplete. I hope you have the capacity to do more than troll with your denials,
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 05 2021, @12:52AM
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by Anonymous Coward
on Friday November 05 2021, @12:52AM (#1193538)
No. But see, I hold to the doctrine of personal responsibility. That some other people had slaves and were racist over 100 years ago is not my fault. The fact that there are still some racists around now is not my fault.
The major problem I and many like me have with CRT is the notion of collective guilt. In defiance of Godwin, you jump straight to holocaust denial but it is the idea of collective guilt that enabled the holocaust. The Jews were collectively blamed for the problems Germany had after WW1. As soon as you start punishing someone merely for being a <collective noun> you have become the nazi.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 05 2021, @01:21AM
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by Anonymous Coward
on Friday November 05 2021, @01:21AM (#1193548)
No. But see, I hold to the doctrine of personal responsibility.
Oh, a lying, duplicitous Republican, then. OK, we'll go with it.
That some other people had slaves and were racist over 100 years ago is not my fault. The fact that there are still some racists around now is not my fault.
But the fact that there are objective consequences of slavery and racism, that you as a white Republican benefit from, is something you are personally responsible for, if you do nothing about it.
The major problem I and many like me have with CRT is the notion of collective guilt. In defiance of Godwin, you jump straight to holocaust denial but it is the idea of collective guilt that enabled the holocaust. The Jews were collectively blamed for the problems Germany had after WW1. As soon as you start punishing someone merely for being a you have become the nazi.
Just, wow. You know, it was the common conservative German people who attempted to quash CJT (Criticalische Juden Theorie) who then went on to murder six million? So while you are blaming blacks for being criminal, and hispanics for being menial laborers, perhaps you should think what it means to be a "good German", at take a look at how Germany now accepts collective responsibility for aggressive warfare (Crime against humanity) and the Holocaust (also a Crime against all Humanity). Careful where you "personally responsible", or you might end up being cancelled, red-lined, arrested for nothing, or lynched.
common conservative German people who attempted to quash CJT (Criticalische Juden Theorie) who then went on to murder six million?
Citations needed, asshole. It wasn't the man in the street who murdered Jews. It was an elite cadre who did so. It was the elite cadre who worked hard to prevent the man in the street from learning what was going on. Early on, there probably weren't more than two or three people in a million who knew anything. That number rose as time went on, but even at the end of the Holocaust, the number probably didn't reach 1000 in a million. There was a lot of bullshit spread around, including that the Jews were being "deported". It wasn't widely broadcast that they were being deported to gas chambers and make-shift crematoria.
Don't blame the population at large for the actions of a secretive political/military group.
You can make a case that the German people didn't hold their government responsible, I suppose. But, if you do, then we are going to hold YOU accountable for all the actions of the US government.
-- Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 05 2021, @05:07AM
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by Anonymous Coward
on Friday November 05 2021, @05:07AM (#1193597)
It was people like Runaway that murdered six million Jews, but being too stupid to understand what the Nazis were really about, just like Runaway does not understand the racism behind the alt-right and Donald Former-fuck Trump.
I guess you are too many generations removed from WWII, or you don't have a military history in your family. Unlike you, in your apparent ignorant state, I have talked to US soldiers who liberated the death camps. I have talked to survivors of the death camps. Never talked to anyone who admitted having anything to do with running the death camps though. Amazing that people like yourself can mutilate history, and warp it so badly, to make idiotic points that don't even come close to being true.
Do you ever consider the leading names associated with your socialist paradise? Marx, Lenin, and Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot? How many millions were murdered by your socialist leaders? Hitler was a distant runner up.
-- Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
Thanks for echoing what I've just stated. It is clear that you do not understand what Nazism or fascism mean. You cheapen the words, and cheapen history, along with the deaths of multiple millions of people in your attempt to make a political point.
Progressive uses of the words "Nazi" and "fascist" are no more meaningful than calling people "troll" or "troglodyte". You throw the words around like normal people throw around common, everyday insults.
-- Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
And, the juvenile delinquent tries to impress us with his continued ignorance.
Pick up some history books, and learn the meanings of the words you try to use. You're the six year old attempting to use six syllable words, and failing miserably.
-- Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 06 2021, @09:43AM
by Anonymous Coward
on Saturday November 06 2021, @09:43AM (#1194016)
And the white supremacist that wants 50 million dead progressives thinks he has any sway with sane people. You've violated your oath, you push racist narratives, and you lie to our faces as you do so.
I'd worry about your own soul there bucko, you're busy doing the devil's work. If nothing else you're burning in a shit filled legacy into the memory of the universe.
CRT is not a thing. That which makes it a thing is the thing. Any issue at all can be driven the same way, and frequently it's the only way to get it on the front page, through fear and panic. Forget about CRT and focus on the madness of the crowd that builds the pedestal it is mounted on
-- La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 3, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 04 2021, @11:22PM
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by Anonymous Coward
on Thursday November 04 2021, @11:22PM (#1193498)
YES!!!!
Finally, fusty sticks his neck out. Thanks, good to get a little more proof you're at least somewhat a rightwing fool but at least you're trying to draw attention to the corruption of politics.
The fear and panic comes from rightwing media because they can sell a complicated topic like CRT as a bogeyman. Of course you know this, so just more proof of your actual goals. There are worse people for sure, but you should be yourself instead of trying to hide aspects so you can "sell" your brand better. Eventually people catch a whiff of your deceptions and that is worse than if you were upfront about everything, because who trusts a liar? Oh right, Republicans lolol
Yeah well, you have my condolences on the way it turned out, you know, with all that effort you put out. See, it doesn't matter what a thing is, or how it's defined, it only matters how it is presented and who's doing the presenting. I'm afraid you just don't have the appeal they do to the general audience.
-- La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
SoylentNews is no place to do retail level politics, it is a very small community of five or six persons that has no bearing on anything. Mostly it functions like those cleaning stations on the reef, where sharks come to get their teeth cleaned by wrasses. Are you a wrasse, or a shark, or a turtle?
(Score: 0, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 04 2021, @08:24PM
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by Anonymous Coward
on Thursday November 04 2021, @08:24PM (#1193443)
What these "anti-CRT" types never understand is that CRT is not taught in grade school.
A Critical Theory must have a Praxis. [wikipedia.org] It's not that CRT is being taught, it's that it's being implemented. What pro-CRT types pretend not to understand is that everybody knows the argument you just presented is void. Spare us the pitiful sophistry.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 04 2021, @11:17PM
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by Anonymous Coward
on Thursday November 04 2021, @11:17PM (#1193497)
CRT is being implemented?
Tell me you know nothing about CRT without telling me you know nothing about CRT :|
Do you mean non-discrimination legislation? Or you crying about affirmative action? AA isn't great, and eventually should be phased out, but until we reach a point where discrimination isn't a problem AA is necessary.
Treating people as individuals instead of members of a racial group is the antithesis of CRT. Don't make like you don't know CRT is segregationist, Marxist bullshit! [defendinged.org]
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 05 2021, @12:30PM
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by Anonymous Coward
on Friday November 05 2021, @12:30PM (#1193670)
Well, I know it isn't.
Oh, you just "know" that do you? Yet your "different ways of knowing" was ignorant of the fact that the expansion of CRT outside a narrow field of legal scholarship was not an erroneous claim from the "right-wing" but (as my previous comment demonstrated) something orchestrated by CRT scholars. Not that the expansion would be unexpected given Crenshaw coined both the terms "Critical Race Theory" and "intersectionality". Neither were you aware that when Monique W. Morris frames schools as "structures of dominance" that it's the exact same argument CRT posits in legal scholarship being transplanted to the educational sector. What do you think you "know" exactly?
What do you have for a citation, other than the Steve Bannon culture war site?
So the culture war didn't emanate from a neo-Marxist assault on liberalism [bc.edu] but from your right-wing boogeyman? Excellent projection tactic, 0/10. Why don't you just follow the link to the legal complaint?
Funny, do not recall Marx spending a lot of time on Race, other than to point out that Colonialism is the last refuge of late-stage capitalism. And certainly Marx did not spend a lot of time on America: backwards, rural, enaged in a racist Civil War, and insufficiently organized or educated to be a revolutionary working class. Somethings nearly never change, eh, Amazon?
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 06 2021, @02:18PM
by Anonymous Coward
on Saturday November 06 2021, @02:18PM (#1194103)
Funny you forget Nietzsche's charge that philosophers are merely sublimating and rationalizing their pathology. Marx was a psychopath, as Nathaniel Weyl [archive.org] phrased it:
Marx seems to have created the theoretical foundations of modern totalitarianism, both in its class-war and in some of its race-war forms, as a rationalization -- or pretended justification -- for the prodigious destructive drives which distorted his personality.
Should you wish to remedy the sciolism betrayed by your comment, shuttle through to chapter 7, "Karl Marx on the Negro".
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 04 2021, @11:39PM
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by Anonymous Coward
on Thursday November 04 2021, @11:39PM (#1193508)
CRT is not taught in grade school.
That's not what parents protesting school board decisions are saying. Their children are being taught that white people are evil, and black people are saintly.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 05 2021, @12:53AM
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by Anonymous Coward
on Friday November 05 2021, @12:53AM (#1193540)
The "people" protesting in school board meetings, after being bussed there by Republican operatives, are evil, no matter what their skin color. This is Steve Bannon's plan, and these are paid actors. Just ask Alex Jones!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 05 2021, @03:02AM
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by Anonymous Coward
on Friday November 05 2021, @03:02AM (#1193563)
I call bullshit. A right-winger would never ride a bus when coming from out of town to cause trouble. They usually take their 4 or 6 wheel truck instead.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 05 2021, @05:31AM
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by Anonymous Coward
on Friday November 05 2021, @05:31AM (#1193606)
Huge Busses of Antifa, heading to small towns in Oregon, Arkansas, and Missouri! Intent on rapping and pilgrimage! Like the Freedom Riders of old! Fighting fascism, and scaring local law enforcement, for some reason.
What be this? Yet another false aristarchus sighting? Glad to be of service, in giving you a focus for your ignorance and hatred. But really you should give up the Ari-spotting. You are not very good at it.
What these "anti-CRT" types never understand is that CRT is not taught in grade school.
We're playing the "that's not CRT" game again while ignoring that CRT in practice comes up with a bunch of crazy ideas and some of these crazy ideas find their way into school districts.
Here's two examples of the problem. First, descriptions of CRT are so generic as to explain a huge number of ways of studying or explaining perceived ethnic differences in society. That includes p-hacked statistics and other pseudo-science. No one has yet bothered to explain how CRT is supposed to weed out bad statistics and such, or describe a coherent methodology on how it's supposed to operate in the first place. How can I perform CRT?
Following on that is the second problem, what differentiates CRT from the worst ideas of history? I introduce here the Nazi test: can one differentiate this alleged analysis of racism from Nazism? About the only real difference is the CRT idea that race is socially constructed (a requirement that is ignored [soylentnews.org] on occasion) and different in-groups and out-groups.
Finally, there's the peculiar symptom of being more concerned that a complaint is technically not about CRT than actually talking about why the complaint exists. So much of the argument boils down to:
People are complaining about CRT.
CRT is merely a study of racism in graduate school not grade school.
Hence, those people are racists.
I see you followed the format. My take is that this is a profound waste of intellect that could be better used helping you not run into doors and stuff.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 05 2021, @12:16PM
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by Anonymous Coward
on Friday November 05 2021, @12:16PM (#1193664)
CRT is like feminism. The theory is interesting. It seems to hold for recent history.
Then people try to use it to change the world, and what they end up accomplishing is patriarchy and white supremacy. Because you cannot abolish sexism by being sexist, and you cannot abolish racism by being racist!
But whatever. I see now that Trump 2024 is inevitable. The D team is too far gone trying to square the circle of accomplishing social justice with capitalism.
is just a label. Remember, 95% of these people, regardless the moniker they carry, will be reelected, as they were in 2020... what was the complaint again?
-- La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
Hence, those people are racists ignorant, scared little ninnies.
It doesn't matter what the label is. It remains an ad hominem.
My take is the big problem is a glossing over of weird shit going on in the school system in question because someone attempted CRT (or equivalent pseudo-intellectual activity) in college.
A glaring example of this in action is the fact that even if people really are "racists ignorant, scared little ninnies", they're less so than they were in 1950. Failing to acknowledge improvement is a classic example of something going way wrong.
Your deliberately obtuse psuedo-science babble, slippery slope, and ad hominem notwithstanding, the fact remains that anti-CRT complaints are a dog whistle intended to whip ignorant conservatives into a froth. They don't like people knowing that this country did some pretty nasty racist crap in the past. They want to whitewash history. They trot out "Critical Race Theory" as a new hard-to-understand-therefore-bad thing as yet another distraction and wedge issue.
As I've read your so-called rebuttal, it seems that your argument is essentially "I don't understand it, therefore you don't either"? I see that you tend to take the deliberate obtuseness angle a lot. I think you understand it perfectly, you just don't like the implications. Unfortunately you can't dazzle us with diamonds, so you resort to attempting to baffle us with bullshit.
-- Answer now is don't give in; aim for a new tomorrow.
It should be. It's about racism just like Nazism was.
Your deliberately obtuse psuedo-science babble, slippery slope, and ad hominem notwithstanding, the fact remains that anti-CRT complaints are a dog whistle intended to whip ignorant conservatives into a froth. They don't like people knowing that this country did some pretty nasty racist crap in the past. They want to whitewash history. They trot out "Critical Race Theory" as a new hard-to-understand-therefore-bad thing as yet another distraction and wedge issue.
How does your beliefs differ from Nazism? They could point to real problems and blame them on Jews too.
The vague accusations of "whitewashing" and "dog whistles" are a waste of time without actual evidence to support that.
As I've read your so-called rebuttal, it seems that your argument is essentially "I don't understand it, therefore you don't either"? I see that you tend to take the deliberate obtuseness angle a lot. I think you understand it perfectly, you just don't like the implications. Unfortunately you can't dazzle us with diamonds, so you resort to attempting to baffle us with bullshit.
Can you prove you understand this subject either? Use short words for us neanderthals!
More ad hominems and deliberate obtuseness, with added projection.
How does your post differ from a Nazi saying the same thing? Evidence distinguishes between hypotheses!
You can call it what you like, but it remains that CRT is remarkably and suspiciously vague about what it actually is. A lot of belief systems are like that - until the adherents get into some power.
Um, from what I have gathered, CRT is hardly a belief system. People have turned into such to divert attention from Party corruption. Cool trick, I say. Very effective campaign tool.
-- La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
Um, from what I have gathered, CRT is hardly a belief system.
From what I have gathered, I disagree. For example, what again is the definition of CRT? There are both implied and explicit assumptions in the definition (such as the assumption that racism is a big deal, exists in society, etc) - those are part of the beliefs. Conclusions are similarly made - that's the rest of the beliefs. And it is a system with both goals and methodology. So that's pretty much sums up my take on that.
The definition and statements about what CRT are, have been stated publicly.
Yeah, as a post graduate academic study that you think the dems are using to take over the world, not that they aren't helping, being the magician's assistant and all.. I am both amused and disappointed.. too much lead in the water I guess.
Nazism disagreed for a glaring counterexample.
Nazis never won a majority?
-- La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
Actually yes. They won 44% [wikipedia.org] in the last election, which was their highest turnout. They were able to get support from other parties to achieve the necessary majority.
But I find it remarkable that you're now insinuating that Nazis were a majority while ignoring that my whole point was that the Nazis were part of a majority whining about racism against themselves in response to your previous post.
The definition and statements about what CRT are, have been stated publicly.
Yeah, as a post graduate academic study that you think the dems are using to take over the world, not that they aren't helping, being the magician's assistant and all.. I am both amused and disappointed.. too much lead in the water I guess.
I wonder what red herring you'll find next! None of that is relevant to the fact that CRT is indeed a belief system, which was your objection in the previous post.
"But for the left to say that there's nothing going on in schools that we need to talk about, that critical race theory isn't in the schools because nobody's teaching the papers of Richard Delgado and Kimberlé Crenshaw — that's a debate team feint. There is something going on in terms of how children are being taught in a lot of schools, and to pretend that it's not true, or to quietly think that that's the way it should be and so therefore we shouldn't talk about it as a new development: that doesn't work. There's a certain kind of maybe, regrettably, imperfect voter who is not fooled by that. And it's time for a more honest conversation."
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 05 2021, @12:27PM
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by Anonymous Coward
on Friday November 05 2021, @12:27PM (#1193667)
They take up a lot of space and use a heap of energy. And they go fuzzy after a decade or two.
I mean I would like to have seen what they could have done with 4K on a CRT but I still remember the bruises from carrying a 21" trinitron from the car when my dad refused to help bring it inside.
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 09 2021, @02:43AM
by Anonymous Coward
on Tuesday November 09 2021, @02:43AM (#1194840)
IIRC a 21" Trinitron monitor weighed a good forty pounds. They had a heavy steel shell inside them that I've never seen in any TV that I've ever scrapped. Tube was thicker, too.
(Score: 3, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 04 2021, @07:01PM (4 children)
Fear mongering with the ignorant usually works. Interesting how runaway targets you then you target aristarchus.
Weird shit going on around here, I blame the sock army.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 04 2021, @11:26PM (3 children)
I've cultivated my aristarchus sock puppet for a long time now. Those of us in the vast right wing conspiracy have been given permission to beat on that rag doll now.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 04 2021, @11:36PM (2 children)
You just stop that, we socks have feelz too!
And, put your hand back in my ass so I stand up straight!
aristarchus
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 05 2021, @04:03AM (1 child)
I wonder how many actual people are here? 3? 4 maybe?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 06 2021, @08:03AM
There is only one... Me. And by "Me" I mean "You"
(Score: 5, Informative) by cmdrklarg on Thursday November 04 2021, @07:14PM (68 children)
What these "anti-CRT" types never understand is that CRT is not taught in grade school.
Besides, it's not really about CRT. It's all about wanting to keep students ignorant of the real history of the racist shit this country did in the past. Can't learn from history when you don't teach it!
Answer now is don't give in; aim for a new tomorrow.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 04 2021, @07:38PM (17 children)
When you peel away the layers, it's less about CRT, than the underlying assumptions that shape it. When those are treated as axiomatic, that is a problem - and that's already being pushed.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 04 2021, @07:52PM (16 children)
Underlying assumptions, that America is a racist country, despite its surface dedication to fairness and justice for all? Yes, that is a problem, but that is not really an assumption, it is just a fact. No wonder racist conservatives do not want that "pushed", because then they could not say "I'm not racist, but, . . . " Censoring the history of the United States is a move in the culture wars, but it is a good sign, because the forces of evil have come to the realization that they can no longer be explicitly racist, so their rear-guard action is to create and demonize a "theory" of anti-racism. But as Georges Santayana said, "those who do not remember their history are condemned to repeat it."
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 04 2021, @07:58PM (15 children)
.... and there we have it.
Axioms stated, flag planted.
And of course, it's all the other people that are the problem.
(Score: 4, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 04 2021, @11:00PM (14 children)
Ooh ooh I know this one!
"Facts don't care about your feelings snowflake!"
Seriously, this isn't stuff that is up for debate. You a holocaust denier as well? I think most Republicans are stuck in a white-washed (ha see what I did there?) version of history where the US is about freedom, equality, and being the greatest country ever. Having the truth wack them upside the head when they've got very little knowledge of the topic can be shocking, so like most humans they hop straight to denial. Don't worry little scared AC, yes the world is a scary place full of stuff worse than you could have imagined. I had a similar reaction as a teen when people tried telling me about the evil's committed by the US government like the CIA's drug programs, MKUltra, sterilization of minorities, etc.
It gets better, but first you have to be willing to accept that your view of reality is incomplete. I hope you have the capacity to do more than troll with your denials,
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 05 2021, @12:52AM (13 children)
No. But see, I hold to the doctrine of personal responsibility. That some other people had slaves and were racist over 100 years ago is not my fault. The fact that there are still some racists around now is not my fault.
The major problem I and many like me have with CRT is the notion of collective guilt. In defiance of Godwin, you jump straight to holocaust denial but it is the idea of collective guilt that enabled the holocaust. The Jews were collectively blamed for the problems Germany had after WW1. As soon as you start punishing someone merely for being a <collective noun> you have become the nazi.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 05 2021, @01:21AM (12 children)
Oh, a lying, duplicitous Republican, then. OK, we'll go with it.
But the fact that there are objective consequences of slavery and racism, that you as a white Republican benefit from, is something you are personally responsible for, if you do nothing about it.
Just, wow. You know, it was the common conservative German people who attempted to quash CJT (Criticalische Juden Theorie) who then went on to murder six million? So while you are blaming blacks for being criminal, and hispanics for being menial laborers, perhaps you should think what it means to be a "good German", at take a look at how Germany now accepts collective responsibility for aggressive warfare (Crime against humanity) and the Holocaust (also a Crime against all Humanity). Careful where you "personally responsible", or you might end up being cancelled, red-lined, arrested for nothing, or lynched.
(Score: 2, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Friday November 05 2021, @03:27AM (11 children)
Citations needed, asshole. It wasn't the man in the street who murdered Jews. It was an elite cadre who did so. It was the elite cadre who worked hard to prevent the man in the street from learning what was going on. Early on, there probably weren't more than two or three people in a million who knew anything. That number rose as time went on, but even at the end of the Holocaust, the number probably didn't reach 1000 in a million. There was a lot of bullshit spread around, including that the Jews were being "deported". It wasn't widely broadcast that they were being deported to gas chambers and make-shift crematoria.
Don't blame the population at large for the actions of a secretive political/military group.
You can make a case that the German people didn't hold their government responsible, I suppose. But, if you do, then we are going to hold YOU accountable for all the actions of the US government.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 05 2021, @04:06AM
wat
(Score: 1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 05 2021, @05:07AM (9 children)
It was people like Runaway that murdered six million Jews, but being too stupid to understand what the Nazis were really about, just like Runaway does not understand the racism behind the alt-right and Donald Former-fuck Trump.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 05 2021, @05:13AM (2 children)
The Nazis killed a bunch of Polacks, too. Maybe some of Runaway's family?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 05 2021, @06:25AM
No, they're part of the other five million who died in the Nazi camps. They don't count because they're only goyim.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 05 2021, @03:27PM
Oblig. When a women removes polish with chemicals, no one bats an eye. But when Hitler removes the Polish with chemicals...
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Friday November 05 2021, @05:54AM (5 children)
I guess you are too many generations removed from WWII, or you don't have a military history in your family. Unlike you, in your apparent ignorant state, I have talked to US soldiers who liberated the death camps. I have talked to survivors of the death camps. Never talked to anyone who admitted having anything to do with running the death camps though. Amazing that people like yourself can mutilate history, and warp it so badly, to make idiotic points that don't even come close to being true.
Do you ever consider the leading names associated with your socialist paradise? Marx, Lenin, and Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot? How many millions were murdered by your socialist leaders? Hitler was a distant runner up.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 05 2021, @04:15PM (4 children)
The socialism bogeyman rears its head. Sure would be nice if you could learn what words mean.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Friday November 05 2021, @04:27PM (3 children)
Thanks for echoing what I've just stated. It is clear that you do not understand what Nazism or fascism mean. You cheapen the words, and cheapen history, along with the deaths of multiple millions of people in your attempt to make a political point.
Progressive uses of the words "Nazi" and "fascist" are no more meaningful than calling people "troll" or "troglodyte". You throw the words around like normal people throw around common, everyday insults.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 0, Redundant) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 05 2021, @05:40PM (2 children)
Aww the Nazi lover wants to amaze us with his detailed knowledge of Nazis and fascism. We get it, you're a fan! Long live God Emperor Trump!
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday November 05 2021, @06:04PM (1 child)
And, the juvenile delinquent tries to impress us with his continued ignorance.
Pick up some history books, and learn the meanings of the words you try to use. You're the six year old attempting to use six syllable words, and failing miserably.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 06 2021, @09:43AM
And the white supremacist that wants 50 million dead progressives thinks he has any sway with sane people. You've violated your oath, you push racist narratives, and you lie to our faces as you do so.
I'd worry about your own soul there bucko, you're busy doing the devil's work. If nothing else you're burning in a shit filled legacy into the memory of the universe.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Thursday November 04 2021, @07:55PM (11 children)
CRT is not a thing. That which makes it a thing is the thing. Any issue at all can be driven the same way, and frequently it's the only way to get it on the front page, through fear and panic. Forget about CRT and focus on the madness of the crowd that builds the pedestal it is mounted on
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 3, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 04 2021, @11:22PM (10 children)
YES!!!!
Finally, fusty sticks his neck out. Thanks, good to get a little more proof you're at least somewhat a rightwing fool but at least you're trying to draw attention to the corruption of politics.
The fear and panic comes from rightwing media because they can sell a complicated topic like CRT as a bogeyman. Of course you know this, so just more proof of your actual goals. There are worse people for sure, but you should be yourself instead of trying to hide aspects so you can "sell" your brand better. Eventually people catch a whiff of your deceptions and that is worse than if you were upfront about everything, because who trusts a liar? Oh right, Republicans lolol
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Friday November 05 2021, @12:31AM (9 children)
:-) What are my actual "goals" and my "brand"?
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 2, Disagree) by aristarchus on Friday November 05 2021, @12:48AM (8 children)
Don't apologize to me, Fusty, you don't have the standing. Apologize to America.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Friday November 05 2021, @12:51AM (7 children)
So it was you all along. What am I supposed to apologize for?
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 05 2021, @12:54AM
Being White of course. Haven't you been listening?
(Score: 2) by aristarchus on Friday November 05 2021, @12:59AM (2 children)
Nope, wasn't me. Just responding to your title.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Friday November 05 2021, @01:15AM (1 child)
Yeah well, you have my condolences on the way it turned out, you know, with all that effort you put out. See, it doesn't matter what a thing is, or how it's defined, it only matters how it is presented and who's doing the presenting. I'm afraid you just don't have the appeal they do to the general audience.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 3, Insightful) by aristarchus on Friday November 05 2021, @05:04AM
Whatcha talking about, fusty?
SoylentNews is no place to do retail level politics, it is a very small community of five or six persons that has no bearing on anything. Mostly it functions like those cleaning stations on the reef, where sharks come to get their teeth cleaned by wrasses. Are you a wrasse, or a shark, or a turtle?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 05 2021, @02:05AM (2 children)
For Aristarchus, apparently.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 05 2021, @03:31AM (1 child)
Well, we all agree that aristarchus is sorry.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 05 2021, @05:21AM
Not all of us, just the RWNJs. They are sorry, sorry for aristarchus outing their stupidity.
(Score: 0, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 04 2021, @08:24PM (9 children)
A Critical Theory must have a Praxis. [wikipedia.org] It's not that CRT is being taught, it's that it's being implemented. What pro-CRT types pretend not to understand is that everybody knows the argument you just presented is void. Spare us the pitiful sophistry.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 04 2021, @11:17PM (8 children)
CRT is being implemented?
Tell me you know nothing about CRT without telling me you know nothing about CRT :|
Do you mean non-discrimination legislation? Or you crying about affirmative action? AA isn't great, and eventually should be phased out, but until we reach a point where discrimination isn't a problem AA is necessary.
(Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 05 2021, @02:02AM (7 children)
"It's not real
CommunismCRT". [routledge.com]Treating people as individuals instead of members of a racial group is the antithesis of CRT. Don't make like you don't know CRT is segregationist, Marxist bullshit! [defendinged.org]
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 05 2021, @02:50AM
ICFI/SEP/IWA-RFC:
Judge acknowledges “intentional discrimination” in jury selection for Ahmaud Arbery case [wsws.org]
Woody Holton retreats from Dunmore Proclamation claims in “historians’ debate” with Gordon Wood [wsws.org]
Over 700 University of Michigan faculty sign open letter protesting administration witch hunt against composer and Professor Bright Sheng [wsws.org]
Race, class and social conflict in the United States [wsws.org]
The ideological foundations of Critical Race Theory [wsws.org]
Perspectives for the coming revolution in America: Race, class and the fight for socialism [wsws.org]
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 05 2021, @08:52AM (5 children)
Well, I know it isn't. What do you have for a citation, other than the Steve Bannon culture war site?
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 05 2021, @12:30PM (4 children)
Oh, you just "know" that do you? Yet your "different ways of knowing" was ignorant of the fact that the expansion of CRT outside a narrow field of legal scholarship was not an erroneous claim from the "right-wing" but (as my previous comment demonstrated) something orchestrated by CRT scholars. Not that the expansion would be unexpected given Crenshaw coined both the terms "Critical Race Theory" and "intersectionality". Neither were you aware that when Monique W. Morris frames schools as "structures of dominance" that it's the exact same argument CRT posits in legal scholarship being transplanted to the educational sector. What do you think you "know" exactly?
So the culture war didn't emanate from a neo-Marxist assault on liberalism [bc.edu] but from your right-wing boogeyman? Excellent projection tactic, 0/10. Why don't you just follow the link to the legal complaint?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 05 2021, @07:35PM (3 children)
No.
Not gonna throw you into the briar patch, B'rer Fascist!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 05 2021, @08:02PM (2 children)
Then again, you could not remain a Marxist if you didn't remain ignorant.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by aristarchus on Friday November 05 2021, @10:29PM (1 child)
Funny, do not recall Marx spending a lot of time on Race, other than to point out that Colonialism is the last refuge of late-stage capitalism. And certainly Marx did not spend a lot of time on America: backwards, rural, enaged in a racist Civil War, and insufficiently organized or educated to be a revolutionary working class. Somethings nearly never change, eh, Amazon?
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 06 2021, @02:18PM
Funny you forget Nietzsche's charge that philosophers are merely sublimating and rationalizing their pathology. Marx was a psychopath, as Nathaniel Weyl [archive.org] phrased it:
Should you wish to remedy the sciolism betrayed by your comment, shuttle through to chapter 7, "Karl Marx on the Negro".
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 04 2021, @11:39PM (7 children)
That's not what parents protesting school board decisions are saying. Their children are being taught that white people are evil, and black people are saintly.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 05 2021, @12:53AM (6 children)
The "people" protesting in school board meetings, after being bussed there by Republican operatives, are evil, no matter what their skin color. This is Steve Bannon's plan, and these are paid actors. Just ask Alex Jones!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 05 2021, @03:02AM (1 child)
I call bullshit. A right-winger would never ride a bus when coming from out of town to cause trouble. They usually take their 4 or 6 wheel truck instead.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 06 2021, @08:37AM
Wrong again Nazi.
We have video evidence of white-supremacists arriving from out of state caught redhanded with explosives and other equipment for an insurrection. [youtu.be]
But the DA refuses to prosecute them... Shirley this must be a white-supremacist secretly conspiring to defend other white-supremacists just like him. [kenoshacountyeye.com]
What's the matter snow flake are you triggered?? Time to run back and hide in your white-supremacist safespace.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 05 2021, @03:37AM (3 children)
There's more of your projection. Liberal/left/progressives routinely bus troublemakers into trouble spots like Portland and Seattle.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 05 2021, @05:31AM (2 children)
Huge Busses of Antifa, heading to small towns in Oregon, Arkansas, and Missouri! Intent on rapping and pilgrimage! Like the Freedom Riders of old! Fighting fascism, and scaring local law enforcement, for some reason.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 05 2021, @06:21AM (1 child)
You're pitiful, ari. Whose sock puppet are you really?
(Score: 2, Touché) by aristarchus on Friday November 05 2021, @11:06AM
What be this? Yet another false aristarchus sighting? Glad to be of service, in giving you a focus for your ignorance and hatred. But really you should give up the Ari-spotting. You are not very good at it.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by khallow on Friday November 05 2021, @09:52AM (17 children)
We're playing the "that's not CRT" game again while ignoring that CRT in practice comes up with a bunch of crazy ideas and some of these crazy ideas find their way into school districts.
Here's two examples of the problem. First, descriptions of CRT are so generic as to explain a huge number of ways of studying or explaining perceived ethnic differences in society. That includes p-hacked statistics and other pseudo-science. No one has yet bothered to explain how CRT is supposed to weed out bad statistics and such, or describe a coherent methodology on how it's supposed to operate in the first place. How can I perform CRT?
Following on that is the second problem, what differentiates CRT from the worst ideas of history? I introduce here the Nazi test: can one differentiate this alleged analysis of racism from Nazism? About the only real difference is the CRT idea that race is socially constructed (a requirement that is ignored [soylentnews.org] on occasion) and different in-groups and out-groups.
Finally, there's the peculiar symptom of being more concerned that a complaint is technically not about CRT than actually talking about why the complaint exists. So much of the argument boils down to:
I see you followed the format. My take is that this is a profound waste of intellect that could be better used helping you not run into doors and stuff.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 05 2021, @12:16PM (1 child)
CRT is like feminism. The theory is interesting. It seems to hold for recent history.
Then people try to use it to change the world, and what they end up accomplishing is patriarchy and white supremacy. Because you cannot abolish sexism by being sexist, and you cannot abolish racism by being racist!
But whatever. I see now that Trump 2024 is inevitable. The D team is too far gone trying to square the circle of accomplishing social justice with capitalism.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Friday November 05 2021, @07:45PM
is just a label. Remember, 95% of these people, regardless the moniker they carry, will be reelected, as they were in 2020... what was the complaint again?
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 0, Disagree) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 05 2021, @04:26PM (1 child)
FTFY
(Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday November 06 2021, @10:39AM
It doesn't matter what the label is. It remains an ad hominem.
My take is the big problem is a glossing over of weird shit going on in the school system in question because someone attempted CRT (or equivalent pseudo-intellectual activity) in college.
A glaring example of this in action is the fact that even if people really are "racists ignorant, scared little ninnies", they're less so than they were in 1950. Failing to acknowledge improvement is a classic example of something going way wrong.
(Score: 2, Funny) by fustakrakich on Friday November 05 2021, @07:50PM
1. People are distracted by "CRT"
2. Democrats and Republicans win reelection
3. Profit!
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 2) by cmdrklarg on Monday November 08 2021, @06:06PM (11 children)
Wow, Godwin'ed pretty quickly there.
Your deliberately obtuse psuedo-science babble, slippery slope, and ad hominem notwithstanding, the fact remains that anti-CRT complaints are a dog whistle intended to whip ignorant conservatives into a froth. They don't like people knowing that this country did some pretty nasty racist crap in the past. They want to whitewash history. They trot out "Critical Race Theory" as a new hard-to-understand-therefore-bad thing as yet another distraction and wedge issue.
As I've read your so-called rebuttal, it seems that your argument is essentially "I don't understand it, therefore you don't either"? I see that you tend to take the deliberate obtuseness angle a lot. I think you understand it perfectly, you just don't like the implications. Unfortunately you can't dazzle us with diamonds, so you resort to attempting to baffle us with bullshit.
Answer now is don't give in; aim for a new tomorrow.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Monday November 08 2021, @08:00PM (10 children)
It should be. It's about racism just like Nazism was.
How does your beliefs differ from Nazism? They could point to real problems and blame them on Jews too.
The vague accusations of "whitewashing" and "dog whistles" are a waste of time without actual evidence to support that.
Can you prove you understand this subject either? Use short words for us neanderthals!
(Score: 2) by cmdrklarg on Tuesday November 09 2021, @04:29PM (9 children)
More ad hominems and deliberate obtuseness, with added projection. Keep trolling, I'm sure you'll win eventually.
Over and out.
Answer now is don't give in; aim for a new tomorrow.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday November 10 2021, @02:07AM (8 children)
How does your post differ from a Nazi saying the same thing? Evidence distinguishes between hypotheses!
You can call it what you like, but it remains that CRT is remarkably and suspiciously vague about what it actually is. A lot of belief systems are like that - until the adherents get into some power.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Wednesday November 10 2021, @02:17AM (7 children)
Um, from what I have gathered, CRT is hardly a belief system. People have turned into such to divert attention from Party corruption. Cool trick, I say. Very effective campaign tool.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday November 10 2021, @02:31AM (6 children)
From what I have gathered, I disagree. For example, what again is the definition of CRT? There are both implied and explicit assumptions in the definition (such as the assumption that racism is a big deal, exists in society, etc) - those are part of the beliefs. Conclusions are similarly made - that's the rest of the beliefs. And it is a system with both goals and methodology. So that's pretty much sums up my take on that.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Wednesday November 10 2021, @04:50AM (5 children)
I guess that would be the running conspiracy theory that has everybody so agitated. Try not to bury yourself in the part.
Never is to the majority demographic now, is it?
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday November 10 2021, @03:51PM (4 children)
What conspiracy? The definition and statements about what CRT are, have been stated publicly.
Nazism disagreed for a glaring counterexample.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Wednesday November 10 2021, @05:09PM (3 children)
Yeah, as a post graduate academic study that you think the dems are using to take over the world, not that they aren't helping, being the magician's assistant and all.. I am both amused and disappointed.. too much lead in the water I guess.
Nazis never won a majority?
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday November 10 2021, @09:38PM (2 children)
Actually yes. They won 44% [wikipedia.org] in the last election, which was their highest turnout. They were able to get support from other parties to achieve the necessary majority.
But I find it remarkable that you're now insinuating that Nazis were a majority while ignoring that my whole point was that the Nazis were part of a majority whining about racism against themselves in response to your previous post.
I wonder what red herring you'll find next! None of that is relevant to the fact that CRT is indeed a belief system, which was your objection in the previous post.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Wednesday November 10 2021, @10:15PM (1 child)
As you are doing... Hmmm... :-) Don't worry, I'm not even thinking it
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 2, Funny) by khallow on Thursday November 11 2021, @08:28PM
Which as I already noted would be irrelevant, even if it were true.
You don't bother to keep up with the thread. "not even thinking" is clearly part of the reason why.
(Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 06 2021, @06:52PM (1 child)
Black liberal professor John McWhorter disagrees with your conclusion. [npr.org]
"But for the left to say that there's nothing going on in schools that we need to talk about, that critical race theory isn't in the schools because nobody's teaching the papers of Richard Delgado and Kimberlé Crenshaw — that's a debate team feint. There is something going on in terms of how children are being taught in a lot of schools, and to pretend that it's not true, or to quietly think that that's the way it should be and so therefore we shouldn't talk about it as a new development: that doesn't work. There's a certain kind of maybe, regrettably, imperfect voter who is not fooled by that. And it's time for a more honest conversation."
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 06 2021, @10:42PM
That article would not have been permitted to exist a year ago. The establishment is turning on the woke.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 04 2021, @07:20PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCzP1hUwDRM [youtube.com]
(Score: 3, Funny) by krishnoid on Thursday November 04 2021, @09:51PM (1 child)
We will never accept this horrible change [geekculture.com]!
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Friday November 05 2021, @12:48AM
I think you already have [animalclipart.net]
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 05 2021, @12:27PM (2 children)
They take up a lot of space and use a heap of energy. And they go fuzzy after a decade or two.
I mean I would like to have seen what they could have done with 4K on a CRT but I still remember the bruises from carrying a 21" trinitron from the car when my dad refused to help bring it inside.
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 05 2021, @09:44PM (1 child)
Yeah well, maybe he doesn't want a bunch of stolen shit lyin' around the house when the police bust the door down.
And a 21' TV? Please.. you bruise that easily?
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 09 2021, @02:43AM
IIRC a 21" Trinitron monitor weighed a good forty pounds. They had a heavy steel shell inside them that I've never seen in any TV that I've ever scrapped. Tube was thicker, too.