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posted by janrinok on Tuesday November 09 2021, @05:48AM   Printer-friendly

AMD has announced its "Milan-X" Epyc CPUs, which reuse the same Zen 3 chiplets found in "Milan" Epyc CPUs with up to 64 cores, but with triple the L3 cache using stacked "3D V-Cache" technology designed in partnership with TSMC. This means that some Epyc CPUs will go from having 256 MiB of L3 cache to a whopping 768 MiB (804 MiB of cache when including L1 and L2 cache). 2-socket servers using Milan-X can have over 1.5 gigabytes of L3 cache. The huge amount of additional cache results in average performance gains in "targeted workloads" of around 50% according to AMD. Microsoft found an 80% improvement in some workloads (e.g. computational fluid dynamics) due to the increase in effective memory bandwidth.

AMD's next-generation of Instinct high-performance computing GPUs will use a multi-chip module (MCM) design, essentially chiplets for GPUs. The Instinct MI250X includes two "CDNA 2" dies for a total of 220 compute units, compared to 120 compute units for the previous MI100 monolithic GPU. Performance is roughly doubled (FP32 Vector/Matrix, FP16 Matrix, INT8 Matrix), quadrupled (FP64 Vector), or octupled (FP64 Matrix). VRAM has been quadrupled to 128 GB of High Bandwidth Memory. Power consumption of the world's first MCM GPU will be high, as it has a 560 Watt TDP.

The Frontier exascale supercomputer will use both Epyc CPUs and Instinct MI200 GPUs.

AMD officially confirmed that upcoming Zen 4 "Genoa" Epyc CPUs made on a TSMC "5nm" node will have up to 96 cores. AMD also announced "Bergamo", a 128-core "Zen 4c" Epyc variant, with the 'c' indicating "cloud-optimized". This is a denser, more power-efficient version of Zen 4 with a smaller cache. According to a recent leak, Zen 4c chiplets will have 16 cores instead of 8, will retain hyperthreading, and will be used in future Zen 5 Ryzen desktop CPUs as AMD's answer to Intel's Alder Lake heterogeneous ("big.LITTLE") x86 microarchitecture.

Also at Tom's Hardware (Milan-X).

Previously: AMD Reveals 'Instinct' for Machine Intelligence
AMD Launches "Milan" Epyc Server CPUs, with Zen 3 and up to 64 Cores
AMD at Computex 2021: 5000G APUs, 6000M Mobile GPUs, FidelityFX Super Resolution, and 3D Chiplets
AMD Unveils New Ryzen V-Cache Details at HotChips 33
AMD Aims to Increase Energy Efficiency of Epyc CPUs and Instinct AI Accelerators 30x by 2025


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  • (Score: -1, Redundant) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 09 2021, @06:14AM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 09 2021, @06:14AM (#1194883)

    I hunger.

    (first post btw)

    • (Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 09 2021, @06:18AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 09 2021, @06:18AM (#1194885)

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinistar [wikipedia.org]

      Sinistar is a multidirectional shooter arcade game developed and manufactured by Williams Electronics.

      Sinistar was the first game to use stereo sound (in the sit-down version), with two independent front and back sound boards for this purpose. It was also used a 49-way optical joystick that Williams produced specifically for this game.

  • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 09 2021, @06:25AM (3 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 09 2021, @06:25AM (#1194887)

    When there can be computer articles/tech news for at least a week or more that don't mention Microsoft and/or Windows in it.

    Seriously, fuck Microsoft.

    • (Score: 2) by takyon on Tuesday November 09 2021, @06:30AM (1 child)

      by takyon (881) <takyonNO@SPAMsoylentnews.org> on Tuesday November 09 2021, @06:30AM (#1194888) Journal

      They wrote a good blog post about Milan-X, they have the chips on hand, and they are probably the biggest customer right now.

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 09 2021, @07:02PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 09 2021, @07:02PM (#1195013)

        Too bad someone didn't walk in their headquarters with a flame thrower and light those fuckers up. That would be a MS story worth posting!

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 09 2021, @03:37PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 09 2021, @03:37PM (#1194955)

      if overall news seems to focus spotlight like, then mostly something sinister is cooking in the dark corners.
      no news in e-mobility? more doom and gloom in energy sector.
      no genetics news?
      no ac-coupled bidirectional inverter news (a power-electronics computer in its own right).
      etc etc
      nature abhorres a vacuum. it's not just a good idea, it's a law.

  • (Score: 2) by Opportunist on Tuesday November 09 2021, @09:03AM (1 child)

    by Opportunist (5545) on Tuesday November 09 2021, @09:03AM (#1194895)

    But how long 'til we can actually buy one without handing a scalper an arm and a leg for the privilege of owning a new CPU? It's great to hear what awesome new technology is available... only to later learn that it's not available.

    Well, we could at least be happy it's not as bad as with GPUs, maybe we should be thankful for what we got...

  • (Score: 2, Redundant) by Frosty Piss on Tuesday November 09 2021, @09:16AM

    by Frosty Piss (4971) on Tuesday November 09 2021, @09:16AM (#1194899)

    Buzzword bingo.

  • (Score: 2) by Mojibake Tengu on Tuesday November 09 2021, @09:35AM (2 children)

    by Mojibake Tengu (8598) on Tuesday November 09 2021, @09:35AM (#1194902) Journal

    Instinct is for animals, intelligent machines need sentience...

    Well, AMD doing good so far. High bandwidth memory together with huge memory size is a necessity for Prolog code.
    That's something what ARM, even Apple M1 included, cannot compete with.

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    • (Score: 2) by HiThere on Tuesday November 09 2021, @02:41PM (1 child)

      by HiThere (866) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday November 09 2021, @02:41PM (#1194926) Journal

      Prolog !? It's been a long time since I've heard of that one, The standard seems unchanged since around 2005, so unless somebody's written a *really good* library I don't expect to hear about it again soon (except in this thread).

      FWIW, I think even Lisp is better, and that is dying for lack of decent libraries. True, Prolog has some built-in capabilities for formal logic, but that's not really all that useful in the face of combinatorial explosions.

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      • (Score: 2) by Mojibake Tengu on Tuesday November 09 2021, @08:13PM

        by Mojibake Tengu (8598) on Tuesday November 09 2021, @08:13PM (#1195035) Journal

        SWI-Prolog is found in every self-esteemed FOSS distro for ages. It's free, open source and actively developed for decades, competitive to any commercial Prolog implementation. Its library is huge.

        Concerning "combinatorial explosions"... no language is miraculous enough for funny people who can't think while writing code.

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  • (Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 09 2021, @09:35AM (3 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 09 2021, @09:35AM (#1194903)

    Power consumption of the world's first MCM GPU will be high, as it has a 560 Watt TDP.

    Ehm... what? That single GPU uses more power than my last three PC builds together. How much bitcoin/sec does thing have to mine to make the effort a net positive?

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 09 2021, @02:05PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 09 2021, @02:05PM (#1194916)

      Mare importantly, can it do machine learning; has anyone used an AMD graphics card for machine learning?

    • (Score: 4, Interesting) by takyon on Tuesday November 09 2021, @02:24PM

      by takyon (881) <takyonNO@SPAMsoylentnews.org> on Tuesday November 09 2021, @02:24PM (#1194921) Journal

      It's not for you. In fact, the initial version is not a PCIe card and will be headed straight for the likes of supercomputers:

      For the MI250(X), OAM is all but necessary to make full use of the platform. From a power and cooling standpoint, OAM is designed to scale much higher than dual-slot PCIe cards, with the spec maxing out at 700W for a single card. Meanwhile from an I/O standpoint, OAM has enough high-speed pins to enable eight 16-bit links, which is twice as many links as what AMD could do with a PCIe card. For similar reasons, it’s also a major component in enabling GPU/CPU coherency, as AMD needs the high-speed links to run IF from the GPUs to the CPUs.

      That's not to say that the PCIe version won't have a similar high power consumption. The new 600 Watt PCIe Gen5 power connector [soylentnews.org] (if it uses it) means they could draw up to 675 Watts.

      Basically, MCM is multiple GPUs pasted together. Suddenly doubling the compute/execution unit count while increasing the clock speeds by over 10% results in high power consumption. The TSMC N6 node it's made on doesn't help like N5 would, since N6 only increases density a little from N7.

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